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Taxis overcharging on meters via remote fobs

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    #32
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Socialise locally?
    You make the choice to live in one area and socialise in another.

    Luas/Drive in, hotel, Luas/Drive home next day is often a great option for (say 3) people.

    Are you taking the piss? We're talking about the city centre of the capital city here. Anyone living outside the canals is just plain sh!t out of luck when it comes to haing a few jars in town, is that what you're saying? How many theatres, gigs, cinemas, sporting events and bands play in your local area? How safe would you feel walking down Dorset st / Summerhill / Amiens street at half two in the morning with a few gargles in you?

    And if you think a hotel for three people is cheaper than a taxi home you are out of your mind.


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    #33
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No, the gig economy and the companies making billion by screwing (non)employees needs to die a fast death.

    I say this as an IT office bound worker with no skin in the game. Just absolute horrid exploitation of people trying to get by

    How exactly are they screwing (non)employees?


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    #34
    [Deleted User]
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    antix80 wrote: »
    Should be fined €10,000, car crushed into a cube, a criminal record and a 12-month driving ban.

    And he should have 30 minutes to move his cube


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    #35
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are you taking the piss? We're talking about the city centre of the capital city here. Anyone living outside the canals is just plain sh!t out of luck when it comes to haing a few jars in town, is that what you're saying? How many theatres, gigs, cinemas, sporting events and bands play in your local area? How safe would you feel walking down Dorset st / Summerhill / Amiens street at half two in the morning with a few gargles in you?

    And if you think a hotel for three people is cheaper than a taxi home you are out of your mind.

    I lived in Tallaght village, for years and never had issue with the paltry fare it cost us to get home. Making stops at Terenure and Templeogue.

    When living in Kildare, we used to hotel it.


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    #36
    vandriver
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    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    There's an actual app to track what your fare should be. I'll certainly be using it from now on.

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hainva.calltaxi
    Don't forget €2 for a pick up charge(unless street hail) and €1 per extra passenger.


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    #37
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    vandriver wrote: »
    Don't forget €2 for a pick up charge(unless street hail) and €1 per extra passenger.

    And beware for that €2 charge being added regardless of a street hail, or not.


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    #38
    vandriver
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And beware for that €2 charge being added regardless of a street hail, or not.
    If you stand at the side of the road and get one on the app,which arrives 30 seconds later,that's 2 euro.If you wave you hand....not.


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    #39
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I lived in Tallaght village, for years and never had issue with the paltry fare it cost us to get home. Making stops at Terenure and Templeogue.

    When living in Kildare, we used to hotel it.

    There's wires getting crossed all over the place here.

    Poster 1: "In France, nobody uses taxis and avails of other options"
    Me: "we don't have any other options post midnight"
    You: "well then just drink locally or else drive and get a hotel hotel"
    Me: "It's the city centre, there should be other modes of transport available. Plus hotels are expensive"
    You: "€45+ is a paltry fare, also we used to get hotels all the time"


    €15 a head to get home is not 'paltry'. It is if you compare it to getting a hotel room for the night that sleeps 3 people cos you're looking at €100+ at a minimum. And that €45 is for a direct route from O'Connell St to the Square, without any stops.

    But, the point still stands. Saying we are lucky because our taxi rates are cheap (which they aren't) or that we have other options (we don't) or we can always just get a hotel (we can't) is utter nonsense. The public transport we have in this country is a joke. Even in the capital city, it shuts down 2 hrs before the majority of it is needed. It doesn't even service the airport after 11pm at night, ffs.


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    #40
    galwaytt
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    Johnny Sausage wrote: »
    there is a n estimator Here

    Ho Hum - going by the attached, I should have been charged €8 - €12. I was charged €17. Departing Heuston 08:10 btw, and took 45 mins.

    What say Ye Who Know ?

    495129.png

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #41
    galwaytt
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    Good jib! wrote: »
    Yeah, Uber's brilliant, as long as you don't give a sh1te about driver welfare.

    Indeed.

    Or insurance.

    I'd love to see some of their drivers' insurance policies and scrutinise the 'Classes of Use' on them....

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #42
    punisher5112
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    galwaytt wrote: »
    Ho Hum - going by the attached, I should have been charged €8 - €12. I was charged €17. Departing Heuston 08:10 btw, and took 45 mins.

    What say Ye Who Know ?

    495129.png

    So more time, more money... Simples.


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    #43
    Del2005
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    MayoSalmon wrote: »
    Or.............. because of lobbying by the Irish Taxi Drivers' Federation. Ireland is almost opposed to any form of innovation that disrupts the status quo and thus as consumer we continue to be ripped off in this little republic of ours.

    What innovation has Uber made? It hasn't made a profit and is burning through cash. The business model isn't sustainable and if they beat out the taxis they will increase their prices, as eventually the investors will want their money back.


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    #44
    vandriver
    Registered Users Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭vandriver


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    So more time, more money... Simples.
    It quotes 12 quid for heavy traffic (28 minutes).Slow traffic is charged at 41c per minutes.17 extra minutes equals 7 euro extra(worst case).
    Taxi fares are charged either as c per minute(below 21 kmh) or c per km(over 21 kmh)


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    #45
    suicide_circus
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    "A TAXI DRIVER ripped off passengers 280 times by secretly using a remote control to add €9 to fares without their knowledge"
    "Robert Griffin, 66, of Maplewood Park, Springfield in Tallaght, was fined €750"

    steal over €2,500, get fined €750, that's a good day in court for that taxi driver.

    utterly jaw dropping


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    #46
    Mr.Frame
    Registered Users Posts: 766 ✭✭✭Mr.Frame


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    There's an actual app to track what your fare should be. I'll certainly be using it from now on.

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hainva.calltaxi

    I wouldnt rely on that at all.

    READ the print , it says it is an "estimate fare" and "not " a guarantee of the fare.

    Whatever is on the meter is what the passenger is obliged to pay.

    Challenging a driver at the end of a journey and producing your app showing what it thinks is the right fare, will cause trouble.

    For example , a journey (one person) from Dublin airport with no traffic to O Connell st is approx., 20 euro.

    A relative of mine got a taxi some months back,the traffic was a nightmare from DA to O Connell st and the fare far exceeded the 20 euro.
    It was a legitimate fare and he paid it willingly.


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    #47
    Mr.Frame
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    galwaytt wrote: »
    Indeed.

    Or insurance.

    I'd love to see some of their drivers' insurance policies and scrutinise the 'Classes of Use' on them....

    What do you mean? Can you elaborate on that?


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    #48
    Mr.Frame
    Registered Users Posts: 766 ✭✭✭Mr.Frame


    iamtony wrote: »
    I was wondering when this would come up here. As a taxi driver myself I'm pissed because this further tarnishes our reputation. I never even heard of it till the Sunday world story.
    I hope he looses his psv licence for ever to make the other drivers who have it think twice.
    My guess is this is confined to drivers with an airport permit and used on tourists. Sneaky bastards they are:(

    So hang on, your opening comment says, "As a taxi driver myself Im pissed off because this tarnishes our reputation."

    You then go on to tarnish fellow drivers who work the airport.

    Thats hypocritical if ever there was a case.

    The vast majority of drivers who work Dublin airport are decent hard working HONEST people.

    You should withdraw your comment


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    #49
    Mr.Frame
    Registered Users Posts: 766 ✭✭✭Mr.Frame


    Patrick2010 wrote: »
    Is there a way of checking what the fare for a particular journey should be?, was charged 18 euro for a 15/20 minute trip Baggot street to Rathfarnham last Sunday

    The vast majority of drivers are decent and honest. Isolated incidents like the one mentioned, gives drivers a bad name and it effectively tarnished them all, which is wrong.

    Regarding your fare, 18 euro is about right for that journey. You have to remember also that on Sundays Bank holidays and after 8pm in the evenings the taxi meter rate is premium. In other words it may be a little more expensive that if you took your journey on a weekday or before 8pm, (by about a couple of euro,)
    Those fare estimates online or apps are exactly that an "estimate" and shouldnt be taken as being correct.


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    #50
    magicbastarder
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    Mr.Frame wrote: »
    Whatever is on the meter is what the passenger is obliged to pay.
    uh... in the context of a story where hundreds (and possibly thousands) of people have been illegally overcharged by fiddling of meters - suggesting that people should not challenge what might appear to be a dodgy fare, is kinda funny.


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    #51
    Mr.Frame
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    uh... in the context of a story where hundreds (and possibly thousands) of people have been illegally overcharged by fiddling of meters - suggesting that people should not challenge what might appear to be a dodgy fare, is kinda funny.

    Forgetting of course that the vast majority of drivers are honest and dont overcharge.

    At the end of any journey you can ask for a printed receipt and if you feel you were overcharged, then you can make the appropriate compliant to the NTA, all details will be on the receipt.


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    #52
    Spook_ie
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    vandriver wrote: »
    Don't forget €2 for a pick up charge(unless street hail) and €1 per extra passenger.

    Which is I suspect what the scam involves, a remote fob that he could add the extras to the meter without anyone being the wiser, it would account for the overcharging being noted as €9 rather than €10 or €15.

    All meters in Ireland are programmed with the capability of adding extras totaling €9 equaling the €2 pickup and up to 7 extra passengers


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    #53
    Spook_ie
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    There's wires getting crossed all over the place here.

    Poster 1: "In France, nobody uses taxis and avails of other options"
    Me: "we don't have any other options post midnight"
    You: "well then just drink locally or else drive and get a hotel hotel"
    Me: "It's the city centre, there should be other modes of transport available. Plus hotels are expensive"
    You: "€45+ is a paltry fare, also we used to get hotels all the time"


    €15 a head to get home is not 'paltry'. It is if you compare it to getting a hotel room for the night that sleeps 3 people cos you're looking at €100+ at a minimum. And that €45 is for a direct route from O'Connell St to the Square, without any stops.

    But, the point still stands. Saying we are lucky because our taxi rates are cheap (which they aren't) or that we have other options (we don't) or we can always just get a hotel (we can't) is utter nonsense. The public transport we have in this country is a joke. Even in the capital city, it shuts down 2 hrs before the majority of it is needed. It doesn't even service the airport after 11pm at night, ffs.

    €15 a head to get home from DOOR to DOOR is paltry when you consider that the nitelink will leave you at a bus stop that might still need a taxi or a sobering walk


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    #54
    Spook_ie
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    galwaytt wrote: »
    Ho Hum - going by the attached, I should have been charged €8 - €12. I was charged €17. Departing Heuston 08:10 btw, and took 45 mins.

    What say Ye Who Know ?

    495129.png

    If it took 45 minutes one can assume that you were stuck in traffic for a fair proportion of time.


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    #55
    pm1977x
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    I'd say €17 for 45mins is cheap enough/correct.


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    #56
    Calhoun
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    Did he lose his license, article I read didn't say ?

    Also looks like it might be a bigger issue https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/taxi-driver-secretly-topped-up-fares-by-9-in-colossal-scam-1.4079519?mode=amp

    Up to 206 machines impacted many of which were expected to be involved in it.


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    #57
    magicbastarder
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    Mr.Frame wrote: »
    Forgetting of course that the vast majority of drivers are honest and dont overcharge.
    not forgetting that at all. but that's hardly a reason not to query what might seem like an excessive fare?
    it's been *proven* that this illegality happens. i'm not suggesting that the fare bails out of the taxi and runs, i'm suggesting that they query the cost, just like you or i would at the till in tesco if you thought you'd been mis-charged.


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    #58
    vandriver
    Registered Users Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭vandriver


    pm1977x wrote: »
    I'd say €17 for 45mins is cheap enough/correct.
    My running costs are €8 an hour.That job is only minimum wage for me.


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    #59
    Mr.Frame
    Registered Users Posts: 766 ✭✭✭Mr.Frame


    vandriver wrote: »
    My running costs are €8 an hour.That job is only minimum wage for me.

    Your point being ?


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    #60
    Good jib!
    Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭Good jib!


    I'm guessing his point is that the fare mentioned above is fair, as if the driver is on minimum wage for that run, there is no way it could be any cheaper.


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    #61
    tomwaits48
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    I'm stunned


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