Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Stop moaning ffs · 10-11-2019 05:28PM

Newstalk have a really good three part breakdown of the case from three court reporters.
Well worth a listen.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/justice-for-ana-three-part-podcast-series-ana-kriegel-trial-923214

iamwhoiam · 10-11-2019 05:36PM

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4756994/ana-kriegel-murder-documentary-virgin-media-new-pictures/

Some lovely pictures of Ana here .Let us never forget Ana

brendanwalsh · 10-11-2019 06:05PM

Never forget her and never forget those two cretins who ripped her apart like dogs attacking a carcass

Thankfully enough people have their pictures that they won’t ever be able to hide

Two animals

God rest poor Ana , a gentle soul who didn’t get to fly, sleep well now dear angel

Stop moaning ffs · 10-11-2019 06:33PM

Just don’t understand that thinking. It brings us down to that exact same level as the two that did this.

tuxy · 10-11-2019 07:23PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Just don’t understand that thinking. It brings us down to that exact same level as the two that did this.

Some people are at that level or close to it.

Stop moaning ffs · 10-11-2019 07:50PM

It’s bigger than that though.
Those two (I hate even calling them boys but) their two families are now living in a situation where everyone knows who they are. Their colleagues and employers in their jobs know who they are. Their poor siblings are getting beaten up and abused.

And still certain people want to go the whole hog eye for an eye and be as vicious and brutal as they were.

We’re all angry and sad about this but we’re not effing animals. Can we stop with the pitchforks?
Online and otherwise.

Last thing her poor parents would want to see is some innocent kid battered for the crimes of his brother. And yet here we are.

I hope the state is helping them and funding them to move far away.

salmocab · 10-11-2019 08:09PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

It’s bigger than that though.
Those two (I hate even calling them boys but) their two families are now living in a situation where everyone knows who they are. Their colleagues and employers in their jobs know who they are. Their poor siblings are getting beaten up and abused.
.

There were pages about their bullying whilst people called them names, the lack of self awareness is phenomenal, people give out about her parents having to relive it if there is an appeal but will watch the tv show about it.

The_Brood · 10-11-2019 08:15PM

Society's widespread acceptance, promotion, and even glorification of pornography is a huge problem and has contributed to this darkness. It has a much more profound effect on minds, developing especially, than video games. Look at what the experts are saying in this case and other cases like this. Look at the science. No matter how much it doesn't fit into certain agendas and narratives, these are the facts, this is the truth.

Could this have been prevented? You can't say. But it is disturbing how people have been hoodwinked into supporting this. Read the science, read the expert analysis.

AlekSmart · 10-11-2019 09:49PM

The_Brood wrote: »

Society's widespread acceptance, promotion, and even glorification of pornography is a huge problem and has contributed to this darkness. It has a much more profound effect on minds, developing especially, than video games. Look at what the experts are saying in this case and other cases like this. Look at the science. No matter how much it doesn't fit into certain agendas and narratives, these are the facts, this is the truth.

Could this have been prevented? You can't say. But it is disturbing how people have been hoodwinked into supporting this. Read the science, read the expert analysis.

It looks like John Lonergan agrees with that viewpoint...

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/they-committed-an-evil-crime-but-theyre-paying-the-price-exmountjoy-governor-john-lonergan-on-ana-kriegel-case-38677362.html

Although,I,for one,would not go as far as describing their conduct as merely irresponsible ?

"They will have access to television and education - they're children, they're 15, what do we want? They were irresponsible teenagers but we don't want them to be irresponsible adults."

But we also have to stand back from the emotion of the crime and ask what factors contributed to this crime being committed.

I wonder if Mr Lonergan appreciates that the real "emotion" of this crime now rests for ever on the shoulders of Ana Kriegel's parents

Standing back is one thing,but there is a sense of Ana Kriegel's life somehow being irrelevant to Mr Lonergan's way of thinking.

Perhaps Mr Lonergan has'nt had enough time to reflect on the reality of this case ?

Vicarious Function · 10-11-2019 10:33PM

I posted this earlier:

Dublin Live News
Quote:
The Ana Kriegel Murder: A Young Life Lost airs on Virgin Media One on Sunday night at 10pm.
Tonight!

According to the TV, it's tomorrow night not tonight. My TV is acting up, so I can't verufy this alteration by consulting the TV Guide. I just heard it announced that it's on tomorrow night. Sorry for the confusion.

Gadgetman496 · 10-11-2019 10:38PM

Vicarious Function wrote: »

I posted this earlier:

Dublin Live News
Quote:
The Ana Kriegel Murder: A Young Life Lost airs on Virgin Media One on Sunday night at 10pm.
Tonight!

According to the TV, it's tomorrow night not tonight. My TV is acting up, so I can't verufy this alteration by consulting the TV Guide. I just heard it announced that it's on tomorrow night. Sorry for the confusion.

Confirmed, it is tomorrow night Monday the 11th

tayto lover · 10-11-2019 10:45PM

The pornography thing does not explain it for me. It’s a cop out really.
I’m sure millions of people even lads of their age watch porn.
Very few go out and do what these two did.
It would just be as much of an explanation to call them little murdering psychopaths. How two little cold blooded killers ended up in the same class in the same school amazes me. Just very bad luck for poor Ana.

Vicarious Function · 10-11-2019 11:16PM

As has been mentioned on various occasions during the Court proceedings, there's a lot left unexplained. The boys [animals] have not been 100% forthcoming.

10-11-2019 11:19PM

seenitall wrote: »

That is so wrong. I have a young daughter growing up, and it is so frightening to know that one of these (especially the item A) could one day be living in our locality, socialise at the same places she does or worse, and no one any the wiser. It is almost asking for trouble. Like with Gerald Barry. And once there is another victim, it is too late, and the system washes its hands like there isn't something profoundly wrong with it. Protect the murderer over protecting the public.

particularly 'they will get to start their lives over'. where is her life to start over?

CollyFlower · 11-11-2019 12:46AM

In all the pictures I've seen of Ana she looks happy and carefree, I think it's unfair to blame the whole school for the bullying she went through, she would have been in a class with the same students daily, wouldn't she? Were those two boys in the same class as Ana?

tupenny · 11-11-2019 12:47AM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

It’s bigger than that though.
Those two (I hate even calling them boys but) their two families are now living in a situation where everyone knows who they are. Their colleagues and employers in their jobs know who they are. Their poor siblings are getting beaten up and abused.

And still certain people want to go the whole hog eye for an eye and be as vicious and brutal as they were.

We’re all angry and sad about this but we’re not effing animals. Can we stop with the pitchforks?
Online and otherwise.

Last thing her poor parents would want to see is some innocent kid battered for the crimes of his brother. And yet here we are.

I hope the state is helping them and funding them to move far away.

You've no clue

Gadgetman496 · 11-11-2019 11:21AM

Ana Kriegel: Parents to sue local education board over school's response to bullying allegations.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/grieving-parents-ana-kriegel-sue-17234290

Stop moaning ffs · 11-11-2019 11:54AM

tupenny wrote: »

You've no clue

No? Care to enlighten us?

reg114 · 11-11-2019 12:10PM

So many questions about this case and so much abdication of responsibility. The sentencing is really quite shocking. I believe sentences in such serious crimes should serve to protect society in the first place and rehabilitate last. If this crime had been committed in some states in America youd be looking at a death sentence regardless of the age of the offenders. In practically all states you would be looking at a whole life sentence at the very least.

In the absence of a death penalty which I would absolutely bring back in Ireland in a heartbeat, I believe if you are responsible for the loss of life of another through murder, then your own liberty should be denied till you die. Society will not benefit from these two being re-integrated in 10 or 15 years time. I would argue that the level of psychopathy evident in this case is beyond treatment and thus a lifetime of incarceration is the only answer. If you commit an 'adult' crime then you do the 'adult' time.The nature of their heinous murder is such that there are no mitigating circumstances for me whatsoever. We should at least have a referendum regarding bringing back the death penalty. Its an unpalatable discussion for most but I would ask you this, what if it was your daughter, sister, partner or mother who had been so callously slayed in a derelict house ? Would you be happy with the perpetrators serving 10 to 15 and then possibly walking past you on the street unbeknownst to you? Remember few people know their identities whereas they know the parents faces. Where is the fairness anywhere in this story?

gimli2112 · 11-11-2019 12:14PM

there was some case in the UK last week, I only caught the headline but someone was sentenced to 25 years for importing £40K of drugs. I've no issue with that it just makes the sentence in this case seem rather paltry.

BattleCorp · 11-11-2019 12:22PM

reg114 wrote: »

We should at least have a referendum regarding bringing back the death penalty.

The death penalty is illegal in the EU and EU law has supremacy over our legislation. So a referendum would be a waste of time because we can't change the law even if we wanted to.

Unless of course we do an Irexit.

11-11-2019 12:37PM

reg114 wrote: »

If this crime had been committed in some states in America youd be looking at a death sentence regardless of the age of the offenders.

I don't think the US of A's justice system is something we should aspire to.

Captain_Crash · 11-11-2019 12:39PM

reg114 wrote: »

If this crime had been committed in some states in America youd be looking at a death sentence regardless of the age of the offenders. In practically all states you would be looking at a whole life sentence at the very least.

Not a single US state sentences people who committed a crime as a minor to death anymore.

Captain_Crash · 11-11-2019 12:41PM

Omackeral wrote: »

I don't think the US of A's justice system is something we should aspire to.

When I was studying law it was always considered by our lecturers a sure sign that your scraping the bottom of the barrel with your argument when citing US case law haha.

Stop moaning ffs · 11-11-2019 12:53PM

Didn’t see this posted. Mostly on Oberstown. Apparently B was crying in the car on the way to Oberstown asking to kept away from A as he was scared of him and the place is just too small to keep them segregated. They’re also unusual in that most kids only spend a few months at most in there given relatively minor offenses.
Also details on what’ll happen when they’re transferred to prison proper.

Really interesting read. Conor Gallagher from the IT. His coverage of the whole trial has Been brilliant but hard on him personally it seems.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ana-kriegel-murder-oberstown-not-used-to-handling-convicted-murderers-1.4073130?mode=amp

Gadgetman496 · 11-11-2019 01:12PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Didn’t see this posted. Mostly on Oberstown. Apparently B was crying in the car on the way to Oberstown asking to kept away from A as he was scared of him and the place is just too small to keep them segregated. They’re also unusual in that most kids only spend a few months at most in there given relatively minor offenses.
Also details on what’ll happen when they’re transferred to prison proper.

Really interesting read. Conor Gallagher from the IT. His coverage of the whole trial has Been brilliant but hard on him personally it seems.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ana-kriegel-murder-oberstown-not-used-to-handling-convicted-murderers-1.4073130?mode=amp

Just trying to lay the sympathy foundation in order to help his appeal :mad:

Stop moaning ffs · 11-11-2019 01:17PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Just trying to lay the sympathy foundation in order to help his appeal :mad:

I’d imagine so.
But I’d also say it’s true. A knows well had B just did what he did and kept his mouth shut it would have been a much harder case. That Newstalk podcast with the 3 journalists all said B literally hung himself and had he’d been no comment all the way through, there’s no way he would have been convicted. Fancied himself able to pull on over the police though.
It’s still mad he got more than A but well deserved.

sbsquarepants · 11-11-2019 01:17PM

gimli2112 wrote: »

there was some case in the UK last week, I only caught the headline but someone was sentenced to 25 years for importing £40K of drugs. I've no issue with that it just makes the sentence in this case seem rather paltry.

I seen some other guy got 10 years for attempting to rob Mesut Ozil.

Now obviously it's a different jurisdiction but sentences here are similar. Extremely harsh sometimes for fairly minor offences and then outrageously light for very serious crimes.

Bigbagofcans · 11-11-2019 01:19PM

Oberstown sounds like a great aul place.

Each detainee has their own TV which can be used between 9am and 2am the following day.

School classes are from 10am to 3pm.
At 3pm the children have free time for phone calls and video games.
At 4pm activities are scheduled such as cooking, art and swimming.

Meals are chosen by the children from a variety menu.

At weekends they get a fry for breakfast.

Gadgetman496 · 11-11-2019 01:21PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

I’d imagine so.
But I’d also say it’s true. A knows well had B just did what he did and kept his mouth shut it would have been a much harder case. That Newstalk podcast with the 3 journalists all said B literally hung himself and had he’d been no comment all the way through, there’s no way he would have been convicted. Fancied himself able to pull on over the police though.
It’s still mad he got more than A but well deserved.

Boy B did not get more than boy A

Boy A - Life reviewed after 12 years

Boy B - 15 years - reviewed after 8 years

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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