Burning the Poppy - A thread.

Since its officially the 11th of November.

katiek102010 wrote: »

I worked in the Civil service in the UK and it was rammed down our throats to wear them.

I refused as did a number of other people, Aisan and irish My managerr was all hot and bothered by the refusal and god love the ignorant dickhead but he could not understand that ireland was not park of the UK and needed a little geography and history lesson.

Easter lillys are a big no no and actually seen as some kind of terrorist emblem. Its the UK all over Litterly tries to wipe out any history that puts the in a bad light.

My company my husband worked for bought them directly from the British legion and they were expected to wear them daily from 1st november

I don't care who wishes to wear a poppy, it is the sort of behaviour above that I object to. And it is spreading.

katiek102010 wrote: »

It's a race thing now, wear it or get out of our County.

A symbol for Tommy Robinson yobs

A bit of an exaggeration I think.

I believe there should be some sort of remembrance here too, a lot of people were roped into the ww1 conflict through propaganda here not to mention Irish in Australia, I don't like the way it's portrayed in this country

I would be the first person to speak out against the British army but I think people must realise that this was a horrific war and a different time

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

I believe there should be some sort of remembrance here too, a lot of people were roped into the ww1 conflict through propaganda here not to mention Irish in Australia, I don't like the way it's portrayed in this country

I would be the first person to speak out against the British army but I think people must realise that this was a horrific war and a different time

We had the Easter Lilly here to remember the irish that lost their lives in conflict.

Unfortunately due to certain circumstances it has been tarred as a pro terrorist symbol

Damien360 wrote: »

I think it covers WW1 also and all subsequent British soldiers lives in various conflicts. Is it not principally Battle of the Somme ?

Agree 100% with you but the poppy is pushed so hard down everyone’s throat and is very “in your face” that it borders on ridiculous. Yes remember but put away the flegs.

The poppy and its symbolism comes from WWI (and has been broadened to incorporate other conflicts since). Much of its original meaning I think is best summed up in Canadian John McCrae's poem In Flanders Fields (https://poets.org/poem/flanders-fields).

I think its meaning has been twisted by many in our current time to either be a required attire to show national pride and "support the troops/current govt actions" or something to hate as they see it as a symbol of glorifying war and the atrocities committed by soldiers in places like Ireland (Black and Tans). Both are wrong. It remembers those who died (without judgment of the politics of the conflict they died in), many younger that this entitled brat in the video above. Its tied to one day, today, when we take a moment to remember those who fought and died, not the generals and governments who sent them nor even the veterans who march today (although as those closest to the dead, they march, and we civilians stand in quiet respect while they do). I think the USA have sadly twisted its meaning for other nations who wear the poppy by changing its meaning there from Armistice's Day to Veterans Day. This was probably done in the USA as they already had a separate day to honour their war dead called Memorial Day.

Where I'm from, people still wear the poppy and go to memorials today to remind those who died that we haven't forgotten them. I found it weird when I came to Ireland to see how much people detested it as a symbol of British rule. My ancestors, also not British, died in the same trenches as Irish soldiers and yet still are able to remember them without glorifying "King and Empire". In fact the battle that most comes to mind home was the 1st day of the Battle of the Somme where my then-country's entire army, the Royal Newfoundland Regiment (we weren't Canadians then) were wiped out. Reading about that day's causalities I have read that although it was a huge event in my home's history, our losses were dwarfed by those of the Irish who died along side ours. Yet, where are services? The remembrance? The poppy isn't about England or War or even the Royals (although, her family's rep aside, the Queen herself served alongside her people in WWII as a mechanic when she was probably younger than the woman in the video so maybe F the Queen is a bit much).

LillySV wrote: »

Have visited the battlefields of world war1 and 2 in France and Belgium... and it is the battlefields of world war 1 that are the most eery... still destroyed in craters over a hundred years later and still too unsafe to walk on due to the sheer amount of bombs and mortars that were fired .... the soldiers there had a horrific life lying in water for months at a time...getting bit by rats who were eating the corpses around by them...and I’m sure for many... death was probably a relief from the horrific ordeal!

As the poppy was the only flower/plant that managed to grow or flourish in the area, it is used as a remembrance for the fallen .... and the fallen deserve that respect... most were poor Irish and English men that were so poor they had no choice but join the army ... and our little dumb millennials don’t realize or understand what it’s like to be so poor that they have to do something to afford to live (they now living nice and comfy in a welfare state)

I was at meningate afew months ago... if anyone here was at the ceremony for the fallen that’s held each eve they will agree that it’s a very sombre experience

In regard to her right to burn the poppy to go against people .... it’s her right etc ... The dead have a right to be respected... they can’t come back and argue their point ... they actually died to ensure that the people here today can actually have the freedom to fight their point

you can't have it both ways - either they had a cause (ascribing causes on soldiers in war is revisionist in my opinion) or they had no choice..

yes those slain in bloody war should be remembered but I would argue the romantic terms such as fallen should cease to find use... a nice fireside word to obscure the reality and futility of death caused by empire games..

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Or shooting protesters in Derry, Kenya, India etc. etc.

Whoa, cool the jets. I'm neither a fan nor a hater of the British army. My first cousin did 2 tours in NI and I respect his courage.
What happened in Derry was 100% wrong but tell me what you know about Kenya. I presume you are referring to Mau Mau. You best have your facts on this one.

Cazale wrote: »

Without the sacrifice of thousands of young British soldiers we would be living in a 32 county Republic speaking our own language with a much larger population not decimated by the great hunger.

Would you go back beyond the Norman invasion in that comment or do you have a cut off point for real irishness in our history.

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

I disagree totally.
Army numbers are being constantly reduced so your point makes no sense imo. The British Army has acted admirably in every conflict it has been involved in. Of course there will always be a tiny, tiny number of rogue elements, but these occur in all walks of life sadly.

What's more I welcome the move by the Tories to change the law, protecting army veterans from vexatious legal actions. Long overdue imo.

obvious bait post is obvious