Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 09-11-2019 1:01pm

Well given even AFTER they brutally murdered her and assaulted her
A) I think they’ve bigger fish to fry than worrying about if they came across as bullies and

they still referred to her as a freak in their statements and as if she was less than them, even after what they’d done to her.

Safe to assume they weren’t the most respectful in school either given the child had no friends whatsoever.

brendanwalsh · 09-11-2019 1:09pm

These two horrible sub human freaks will hopefully be denied parole at every chance

You wouldn’t do it to a dog what these c unts did

take everything · 09-11-2019 4:48pm

The murder of a seven year old in 1973 in Dublin by a sixteen year old in a satanic ritual has echoes of this case.

The murderer Lorcan Bale now lives in relative obscurity in London working as an Environmental Services manager.

This guy crucified a seven year old in an attic in a case that really stinks. A lot of weird satanic stuff probably covered up and not reported on.
This link details the case better.

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/page/382/

vriesmays · 09-11-2019 4:48pm

Kyle Curran, 1987 was another case.

Eric Cartman · 09-11-2019 4:57pm

tigger123 wrote: »

No harm in asking the school about it though. If I were sending a teenager there I'd want to know the changes they're making to address it.

Be interested to know the changes, their policy over a decade ago was to shove disruptive kids into the LCA program and a guidance councillor who loved removing parental responsibility by telling them their bully child just had ADHD. The amount of kids on adhd meds there was shocking.

tayto lover · 09-11-2019 5:00pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Be interested to know the changes, their policy over a decade ago was to shove disruptive kids into the LCA program and a guidance councillor who loved removing parental responsibility by telling them their bully child just had ADHD. The amount of kids on adhd meds there was shocking.

It’s as bad now.
Loads of kids with something to get them on disability. They all have a “D”
ADD, ADHD. It’s like a feckin qualification.

Vicarious Function · 10-11-2019 11:43am

Dublin Live News

The Ana Kriegel Murder: A Young Life Lost airs on Virgin Media One on Sunday night at 10pm.

Tonight!

Read:

Ana Kriegel: Boy A and Boy B will be offered new identities after jail release

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/ana-kriegel-boya-boyb-jail-17231512?utm_source=dublin_live_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=EM_DublinLive_Nletter_News_Mediumteaser_Text_Story1&utm_campaign=daily_newsletter

AndrewJRenko · 10-11-2019 12:21pm

Vicarious Function wrote: »

Dublin Live News
Tonight!

Read:

Ana Kriegel: Boy A and Boy B will be offered new identities after jail release

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/ana-kriegel-boya-boyb-jail-17231512?utm_source=dublin_live_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=EM_DublinLive_Nletter_News_Mediumteaser_Text_Story1&utm_campaign=daily_newsletter

"A source told Dublin Live 'It is understood that'"

Would ya feck off Dublin Live - this is gossip, not news.

Vicarious Function · 10-11-2019 12:23pm

I find Dublin Live News fairly reliable.

seenitall · 10-11-2019 12:24pm

That is so wrong. I have a young daughter growing up, and it is so frightening to know that one of these (especially the item A) could one day be living in our locality, socialise at the same places she does or worse, and no one any the wiser. It is almost asking for trouble. Like with Gerald Barry. And once there is another victim, it is too late, and the system washes its hands like there isn't something profoundly wrong with it. Protect the murderer over protecting the public.

Vicarious Function · 10-11-2019 12:35pm

seenitall wrote: »

That is so wrong. I have a young daughter growing up, and it is so frightening to know that one of these (especially the item A) could one day be living in our locality, socialise at the same places she does or worse, and no one any the wiser. It is almost asking for trouble. Like with Gerald Barry. And once there is another victim, it is too late, and the system washes its hands like there isn't something profoundly wrong with it. Protect the murderer over protecting the public.

Valid points, seenitall!

No matter what the outcome, these two scumb*gs have got life sentences to live with no matter what they choose. Even if they do choose a change of identity, same as Thompson and Venobles, they will never be truly incognito - same as them. There will always be reporters that will be able to track them down and report on them. Or they will disclose their former identities themselves while under the influence of drink.

seenitall · 10-11-2019 12:45pm

Vicarious Function wrote: »

Valid points, seenitall!

No matter what the outcome, these two scumb*gs have got life sentences to live with no matter what they choose. Even if they do choose a change of identity, same as Thompson and Venobles, they will never be truly incognito - same as them. There will always be reporters that will be able to track them down and report on them. Or they will disclose their former identities themselves while under the influence of drink.

Thinking on it, of course G.B. is not an analogy to this case, but I suppose another one who will be out way before his time (which should be never, obviously).

AndrewJRenko · 10-11-2019 1:01pm

tayto lover wrote: »

It’s as bad now.
Loads of kids with something to get them on disability. They all have a “D”
ADD, ADHD. It’s like a feckin qualification.

Awful isn't it - bloody medics diagnosing medical conditions. Next thing you know they'll be treating the conditions - where will we all be then?

McCrack · 10-11-2019 2:43pm

seenitall wrote: »

That is so wrong. I have a young daughter growing up, and it is so frightening to know that one of these (especially the item A) could one day be living in our locality, socialise at the same places she does or worse, and no one any the wiser. It is almost asking for trouble. Like with Gerald Barry. And once there is another victim, it is too late, and the system washes its hands like there isn't something profoundly wrong with it. Protect the murderer over protecting the public.

It will be impossible for these two to live anonymous in Ireland

iamwhoiam · 10-11-2019 2:43pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/10/i-reported-every-detail-of-their-trial-yet-have-no-idea-why-two-boys-called-ana

interesting article in the Guardian

Stop moaning ffs · 10-11-2019 6:28pm

Newstalk have a really good three part breakdown of the case from three court reporters.
Well worth a listen.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/justice-for-ana-three-part-podcast-series-ana-kriegel-trial-923214

iamwhoiam · 10-11-2019 6:36pm

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4756994/ana-kriegel-murder-documentary-virgin-media-new-pictures/

Some lovely pictures of Ana here .Let us never forget Ana

brendanwalsh · 10-11-2019 7:05pm

Never forget her and never forget those two cretins who ripped her apart like dogs attacking a carcass

Thankfully enough people have their pictures that they won’t ever be able to hide

Two animals

God rest poor Ana , a gentle soul who didn’t get to fly, sleep well now dear angel

Stop moaning ffs · 10-11-2019 7:33pm

Just don’t understand that thinking. It brings us down to that exact same level as the two that did this.

tuxy · 10-11-2019 8:23pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Just don’t understand that thinking. It brings us down to that exact same level as the two that did this.

Some people are at that level or close to it.

Stop moaning ffs · 10-11-2019 8:50pm

It’s bigger than that though.
Those two (I hate even calling them boys but) their two families are now living in a situation where everyone knows who they are. Their colleagues and employers in their jobs know who they are. Their poor siblings are getting beaten up and abused.

And still certain people want to go the whole hog eye for an eye and be as vicious and brutal as they were.

We’re all angry and sad about this but we’re not effing animals. Can we stop with the pitchforks?
Online and otherwise.

Last thing her poor parents would want to see is some innocent kid battered for the crimes of his brother. And yet here we are.

I hope the state is helping them and funding them to move far away.

salmocab · 10-11-2019 9:09pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

It’s bigger than that though.
Those two (I hate even calling them boys but) their two families are now living in a situation where everyone knows who they are. Their colleagues and employers in their jobs know who they are. Their poor siblings are getting beaten up and abused.
.

There were pages about their bullying whilst people called them names, the lack of self awareness is phenomenal, people give out about her parents having to relive it if there is an appeal but will watch the tv show about it.

The_Brood · 10-11-2019 9:15pm

Society's widespread acceptance, promotion, and even glorification of pornography is a huge problem and has contributed to this darkness. It has a much more profound effect on minds, developing especially, than video games. Look at what the experts are saying in this case and other cases like this. Look at the science. No matter how much it doesn't fit into certain agendas and narratives, these are the facts, this is the truth.

Could this have been prevented? You can't say. But it is disturbing how people have been hoodwinked into supporting this. Read the science, read the expert analysis.

AlekSmart · 10-11-2019 10:49pm

The_Brood wrote: »

Society's widespread acceptance, promotion, and even glorification of pornography is a huge problem and has contributed to this darkness. It has a much more profound effect on minds, developing especially, than video games. Look at what the experts are saying in this case and other cases like this. Look at the science. No matter how much it doesn't fit into certain agendas and narratives, these are the facts, this is the truth.

Could this have been prevented? You can't say. But it is disturbing how people have been hoodwinked into supporting this. Read the science, read the expert analysis.

It looks like John Lonergan agrees with that viewpoint...

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/they-committed-an-evil-crime-but-theyre-paying-the-price-exmountjoy-governor-john-lonergan-on-ana-kriegel-case-38677362.html

Although,I,for one,would not go as far as describing their conduct as merely irresponsible ?

"They will have access to television and education - they're children, they're 15, what do we want? They were irresponsible teenagers but we don't want them to be irresponsible adults."

But we also have to stand back from the emotion of the crime and ask what factors contributed to this crime being committed.

I wonder if Mr Lonergan appreciates that the real "emotion" of this crime now rests for ever on the shoulders of Ana Kriegel's parents

Standing back is one thing,but there is a sense of Ana Kriegel's life somehow being irrelevant to Mr Lonergan's way of thinking.

Perhaps Mr Lonergan has'nt had enough time to reflect on the reality of this case ?

Vicarious Function · 10-11-2019 11:33pm

I posted this earlier:

Dublin Live News
Quote:
The Ana Kriegel Murder: A Young Life Lost airs on Virgin Media One on Sunday night at 10pm.
Tonight!

According to the TV, it's tomorrow night not tonight. My TV is acting up, so I can't verufy this alteration by consulting the TV Guide. I just heard it announced that it's on tomorrow night. Sorry for the confusion.

Gadgetman496 · 10-11-2019 11:38pm

Vicarious Function wrote: »

I posted this earlier:

Dublin Live News
Quote:
The Ana Kriegel Murder: A Young Life Lost airs on Virgin Media One on Sunday night at 10pm.
Tonight!

According to the TV, it's tomorrow night not tonight. My TV is acting up, so I can't verufy this alteration by consulting the TV Guide. I just heard it announced that it's on tomorrow night. Sorry for the confusion.

Confirmed, it is tomorrow night Monday the 11th

tayto lover · 10-11-2019 11:45pm

The pornography thing does not explain it for me. It’s a cop out really.
I’m sure millions of people even lads of their age watch porn.
Very few go out and do what these two did.
It would just be as much of an explanation to call them little murdering psychopaths. How two little cold blooded killers ended up in the same class in the same school amazes me. Just very bad luck for poor Ana.

Vicarious Function · 11-11-2019 12:16am

As has been mentioned on various occasions during the Court proceedings, there's a lot left unexplained. The boys [animals] have not been 100% forthcoming.

coffee_cake · 11-11-2019 12:19am

seenitall wrote: »

That is so wrong. I have a young daughter growing up, and it is so frightening to know that one of these (especially the item A) could one day be living in our locality, socialise at the same places she does or worse, and no one any the wiser. It is almost asking for trouble. Like with Gerald Barry. And once there is another victim, it is too late, and the system washes its hands like there isn't something profoundly wrong with it. Protect the murderer over protecting the public.

particularly 'they will get to start their lives over'. where is her life to start over?

CollyFlower · 11-11-2019 1:46am

In all the pictures I've seen of Ana she looks happy and carefree, I think it's unfair to blame the whole school for the bullying she went through, she would have been in a class with the same students daily, wouldn't she? Were those two boys in the same class as Ana?

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