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High speed Rail

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  • #32
    IE 222
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    Isambard wrote: »
    The M20 is not about time saving , it's about making a dangerous heavily used N road fit for purpose, and to save lives.

    It's not that dangerous of a road other than a few sections. Widening the road and adding more 2 plus 1 lanes between Croom and Twomiletownhouse is more than sufficient for a fraction of the cost.


  • #33
    IE 222
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    circadian wrote: »
    Motorway standards remove all side road entrances and other hazards on national roads. I've not seen the specs but I'm assuming it's largely going to be dual carriageway with on/off ramps. If the current road is heavily used then it'll need upgrading one way or another to make it safer. You could argue that a regular dual carraigeway would suffice but you'll still have on road entrances across 2 lanes with multiple roundabouts.

    Motorway makes more sense.

    Other than Mallow there is no other roundabouts on the road. It's a full on motorway planned for it. The current volume of traffic is manageable, it's only when you have no way of overtaking slow moving traffic it becomes an issue. Other than people trying to park in Charleville I've never witnessed tail backs on this road.


  • #34
    Marcusm
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    Markcheese wrote: »
    If cork Dublin,was being upgraded to a much higher speed where would you stop on this fast route,cork, Mallow? limerick junction.? Portlaoise? M50? And heuston...
    I'm assuming each stop will cost near 10 mins between acceleration, dwell time and acceleration...

    I don’t think it is a runner whatsoever!


  • #35
    Isambard
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    IE 222 wrote: »
    It's not that dangerous of a road other than a few sections. Widening the road and adding more 2 plus 1 lanes between Croom and Twomiletownhouse is more than sufficient for a fraction of the cost.

    It has one of the worst safety records in the State and the Mallow to Cork section is one of the busiest roads in the state.

    You clearly don't know the road if you think the only problem is the area around Croom.


  • #36
    IE 222
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    Isambard wrote: »
    It has one of the worst safety records in the State and the Mallow to Cork section is one of the busiest roads in the state.

    You clearly don't know the road if you think the only problem is the area around Croom.

    I use the full stretch of road 3 times a week in the morning peak. Where did I say the only problem is around Croom????

    What I said was, the road needs widening for more 2+1 lanes between Twomiletownhouse and Croom. That's all that's required and maybe at most a small, single lane, similar to Longford, bypass around Charleville. Croom - M21 is wide enough already for additional 2+1 lanes so to is Ballyhea - Charleville and Mallow to Cork already has it.

    There has been a few fatalities over the years mainly as a result from poor driving skills.

    Mallow - Cork is most certainly not one of the busiest roads in the state. It's no busier than the N81 between Tallaght and Blessington.

    It's a long way from been gridlocked. I've yet to see a major tailback approaching Cork's North Circular rd in the morning peak, were as if you look at the volume of traffic approaching Dunkettle, Ringaskiddy or the N40 in general its completely heaving in the peak hours.

    The only issue is the lack of overtaking of slower moving traffic which may result in 20-30 vehicles been held up until they reach an area were they can overtake.


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  • #37
    circadian
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    IE 222 wrote: »
    Other than Mallow there is no other roundabouts on the road. It's a full on motorway planned for it. The current volume of traffic is manageable, it's only when you have no way of overtaking slow moving traffic it becomes an issue. Other than people trying to park in Charleville I've never witnessed tail backs on this road.

    Yeah lack of roundabouts is part of the problem regarding safety. There are multiple side entrances onto the current road and some are concealed/very difficult to see oncoming traffic.

    These types of projects aren't just purely based on traffic calming, that road has an awful safety record. It's easily one of the worst in the state.

    There's two options here. Upgrade to dual carriageway with multiple roundabouts along the way closing off the side roads or spending a little more and getting full motorway standard.


  • #38
    tom1ie
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    Was this thread not about high speed rail? Why are we talking about roads!


  • #39
    Okon
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    tom1ie wrote: »
    Was this thread not about high speed rail? Why are we talking about roads!

    Fair enough;

    I don't see High Speed rail happening in Ireland in my lifetime.

    :)


    (I might not see Buttevant and it's bendy roads around the quarry bypassed in my lifetime either!)


  • #40
    L1011
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    tom1ie wrote: »
    Was this thread not about high speed rail? Why are we talking about roads!
    At least partially because potential HSR is competing with coaches in Ireland not the more common competition with aircraft


  • #41
    Markcheese
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    L1011 wrote: »
    At least partially because potential HSR is competing with coaches in Ireland not the more common competition with aircraft

    If we're going down that road.... If the state invested in decent coach stops and encouraged coaches onto the motorways, would we need an intercity rail service at all.? Hi speed or otherwise?,

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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  • #42
    Isambard
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    IE 222 wrote: »
    I use the full stretch of road 3 times a week in the morning peak. Where did I say the only problem is around Croom????

    What I said was, the road needs widening for more 2+1 lanes between Twomiletownhouse and Croom. That's all that's required and maybe at most a small, single lane, similar to Longford, bypass around Charleville. Croom - M21 is wide enough already for additional 2+1 lanes so to is Ballyhea - Charleville and Mallow to Cork already has it.

    There has been a few fatalities over the years mainly as a result from poor driving skills.

    Mallow - Cork is most certainly not one of the busiest roads in the state. It's no busier than the N81 between Tallaght and Blessington.

    It's a long way from been gridlocked. I've yet to see a major tailback approaching Cork's North Circular rd in the morning peak, were as if you look at the volume of traffic approaching Dunkettle, Ringaskiddy or the N40 in general its completely heaving in the peak hours.

    The only issue is the lack of overtaking of slower moving traffic which may result in 20-30 vehicles been held up until they reach an area were they can overtake.
    you mean New Twopothouse?


  • #43
    Markcheese
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    Marcusm wrote: »
    I don’t think it is a runner whatsoever!

    I though this was a hypothetical argument... Shure as a state we can't even agree on a route for city buses or even provide drinking water in Dublin, its unlikely we'd get to a fast or even a high-speed train.

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #44
    tom1ie
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    Markcheese wrote: »
    I though this was a hypothetical argument... Shure as a state we can't even agree on a route for city buses or even provide drinking water in Dublin, its unlikely we'd get to a fast or even a high-speed train.

    A lot of this is down to a completely inept minister for transport who clearly doesn’t give a damn about anyone outside of stepaside village. (Not the drinking water- the shambles of a public transport system we have).


  • #45
    IE 222
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    circadian wrote: »
    Yeah lack of roundabouts is part of the problem regarding safety. There are multiple side entrances onto the current road and some are concealed/very difficult to see oncoming traffic.

    These types of projects aren't just purely based on traffic calming, that road has an awful safety record. It's easily one of the worst in the state.

    There's two options here. Upgrade to dual carriageway with multiple roundabouts along the way closing off the side roads or spending a little more and getting full motorway standard.

    There is a massive price difference between dual carriageway and motorway.

    Side entrances are part and parcel with roads like these. There well sign posted and if any are particularly dangerous they should be improved by means of vegetation clearance, providing a small slip lane or lowering the speed limit in the vicinity.

    To claim a whole new alternative motorway needs to be built due to side entrances is madness. If this is the criteria were basing these decisions on we'll need motorways everywhere.


  • #46
    IE 222
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    Isambard wrote: »
    you mean New Twopothouse?

    I do yes.


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