Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

So boy A is now on the sex offenders list. I seem to remember there is a duration for this, depending on the severity of the crime? If so, presumably in this case for life?

Let's presume he at some stage is released and gets a new identity. I would then presume he is placed again on the sex offenders list under his new name?

These sex offenders lists are not public?

Will this boy be forced to have psychiatric treatment during his detention? Or chemical castration?

Apologies for what seems like a random list of questions, but I am concerned about what happens if / when he is released. I'm usually fairly liberal in my views, but someone who has done what he has should never be let out imho unless we are near certain he won't do it again.

i think its necessary for these boys names to remain known only to those who know them, or deal with them.

what purpose does it serve to the general public to know who they are?

i certainly wouldnt remember their names in 12 or 15 years and wouldnt care anyway.

based on the willingness of sone to talk if taking the law into their hands maybe its best that the law is there giving them anonymity.

let them do their detention and let the authorities offer them opportunities to acknowledge the horrific attack they carried out.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

should all criminals be anonymous?

if not, why not, following your logic above?

if not, where and how do you draw the line?

if just in this case, that's unjustifiable.

I don’t see what the point would be in this case though. In 12 years everyone will have forgotten anyway and it’ll end up causing the parents hassle.

holliehobbie wrote: »

The lack of help for people with mental health issues in this country is shocking. The case above is completely different to these two boys who don't have mental health issues. That is what is so shocking: that they don't have psychiatric problems.

I feel sure that they do but society has yet to be able to diagnose whatever it is that's wrong with them.

gimli2112 wrote:

I feel sure that they do but society has yet to be able to diagnose whatever it is that's wrong with them.

There's clearly something wrong with both of them, the disturbing thing is, it either hasn't been diagnosed or they haven't seen the right person yet

cloudatlas wrote:

Glad to see that people on here aren’t just neatly stating that these boys were ‘evil’ or mentally ill but there’s another thread that is saying that ‘rape culture’ isn’t a thing and a disavowing of the view that women are seen as ‘things’ rather than people in a lot of societal discourse and imagery along with there being a lack of empathy in narratives about why these things happen to women.

Oh there's a few here that think they are indeed evil, and should be executed, give it time, you ll see them

MadYaker wrote: »

I don’t see what the point would be in this case though. In 12 years everyone will have forgotten anyway and it’ll end up causing the parents hassle.

It’s 26 years since the James Bolger murder and I would say a significant number of people who are old enough remember the names of the guys responsible in this case and James Bolger has never been forgotten.......so I think you are very incorrect with your first sentance

Why do so many people on this site refer to A and B as ’ scrotes’.......what is a scrote does it come from ‘scrotum’, maybe I’m just showing my age

gimli2112 wrote: »

I feel sure that they do but society has yet to be able to diagnose whatever it is that's wrong with them.

No they’ve been examined by medical professionals who’ve found no psychiatric illness. Nothing to do with society

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

The easy solution to this is to make sure that the prospective partner has been Garda vetted - pick a teacher or a nurse or a GAA coach or whatever.

You can't just ask for Garda vetting as you apply for a marriage license or apply for a mortgage.
I suspect there'd be no need to apply for a mortgage though, if the state wants to keep these individuals anonymous, I guess their lives will be funded by the state, rent, state payments etc. How could they ever apply for a job without disclosing even their education?
To remain anonymous is ludicrous. I wouldn't want my 14 year old daughter to meet up with one of them in a club in 15 years time. And that's the reality of they are protected. In 15 years time, they'll be back in society with my children.

mrjoneill wrote: »

I have no evidence to this only what other have stated. Central to these satanic things is the offering of human life which could be well be part of it. I have no doubt for Boy A the sex assault was big part of it and for Boy B the voyeurism of it all in he stayed to watch to the end.

There’s been a flood of commentary in the Irish media about this horrible crime but the boys’ motives are still a mystery. I don’t believe they can be rehabilitated until they make a proper confession. Top marks to the Garda for getting a conviction against Boy A, the “mastermind” of this crime.

Everyone is talking about the porn found on Boy A’s phone but no-one considers whether anything similar was on Boy B’s phone. The Garda never recovered significant data from Boy B’s phone because he “lost” two smart phones. Porn may well de-sensitise people but has it ever been a motive for murder.

Why is it only the British media that mention the Satanic link? This is the only obvious motive but a curtain of silence has fallen.

smelly sock wrote: »

No. Their lives won't be funded by the state after they are released. That is the reason for the anonymity really. If their names were released they would have to be given new identity's and setup with a new life. The state has no onus to do this now. Plenty of jobs available without having to go into education, especially primary and secondary education. I can't remember the last time I looked at someone's CV and checked the secondary education on it.

But they can't start to live life independently without the state funding them surely? Do you think they just won't be named in public and then start life using their real name in some other part of the country? Won't their records, criminal and sex offence be disclosed then? Unless they are given new identities they will never even get employment.