Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Gringo180 · 05-11-2019 09:24PM

How come the 2 lads that murdered James Bulger were named and these evil little bastards arent?

BarryD2 · 05-11-2019 09:31PM

DelBoy Trotter wrote: »

The post right above yours shows exactly why they won’t be named

Is that not a slippery slope? Will we routinely see families of people convicted of serious offences appealing for anonymity on the basis that the conviction reflects poorly on them?

And if so, is that in the public's best interests? I think not. These matters should be black & white and fair to all.

If these lads can retain anonymity into adulthood, why wouldn't it apply more broadly. Something stinks about this.

salmocab · 05-11-2019 09:32PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

How come the 2 lads that murdered James Bulger were named and these evil little bastards arent?

That happened in a different country

Thargor · 05-11-2019 09:33PM

Charles Leclerc wrote: »

They boys will do their time handed down by the judge on behalf of the state. Naming these two will cause public outrage and their innocent families will be targeted. They don't deserve that.

Boy Bs family seems to be getting it in the neck from locals since the whole thing started according to rumors.

Del Griffith · 05-11-2019 09:34PM

salmocab wrote: »

That happened in a different country

And they were given new identities

sasta le · 05-11-2019 09:34PM

Thargor wrote: »

Boy Bs family seems to be getting it in the neck since the whole thing started according to rumors.

What are the rumors and why just boy b

retro:electro · 05-11-2019 09:35PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

How come the 2 lads that murdered James Bulger were named and these evil little bastards arent?

Because the judge who sentenced them believed the public interest overrode the interest of the defendants. They were referred to as Boy A and Boy B during the trial but were named after conviction. On their release they were given new identities and continue to be protected by anonymity. Venables is on his second identity.

Limpy · 05-11-2019 09:41PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

My daughter knows Boy B’s brother a really nice quiet boy according to her

He received a terrible hiding a few weeks ago for the sins of his brother

It made me feel sick when she told me

I think if the family disowned the boys instead of backing them they would get more sympathy.

If it was any of my family I would come out and say X is a scumbag murderer. Instead this family are all behind them.

So in this situation I have no sympathy for them.

Guy:Incognito · 05-11-2019 09:46PM

DelBoy Trotter wrote: »

The post right above yours shows exactly why they won’t be named

What it shows is that people of a certain mindset will find out who people are, or already know.

The people that need to know are the rest of us, normal , rational people who may come in to contact with these when they are released as adults and may not be in the public mindset for a few years.

skallywag · 05-11-2019 09:47PM

Limpy wrote: »

Instead this family are all behind them

I guess I missed where the families said that they approved.

SEPT 23 1989 · 05-11-2019 09:49PM

Limpy wrote: »

I think if the family disowned the boys instead of backing them they would get more sympathy.

If it was any of my family I would come out and say X is a scumbag murderer. Instead this family are all behind them.

So in this situation I have no sympathy for them.

Don't think his brother would have any say in it

I said to my daughter that morning when she told me

Tell him to just leave the country he won’t ever get peace here

That’s the cold hard reality of the fallout from this for innocent people involved

mick malones mauser · 05-11-2019 09:57PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Well yes, ideally you would hope so. My point is that they performed to exceptional standards and by doing so prevented the defence from poking holes/ appealing/ whatever what have you. For such an atypical case they were flawless.

Unlike The Regency Trial ,where they messed up....

abff · 05-11-2019 09:58PM

Bulger's killers were named, but then provided with alternative identities on release from prison. Naming Ana's killers would not provide any protection to society against these *******s, as a similar approach would probably have to be taken.

But Ireland is a small enough country that it may prove difficult for them to retain anonymity after release as anyone of the right age is likely to come under suspicion if they can't provide a plausible back history. This may lead them to look at emigrating post release, although their options in this regard may be somewhat limited with a murder conviction hanging over them.

splinter65 · 05-11-2019 10:04PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

My daughter knows Boy B’s brother a really nice quiet boy according to her

He received a terrible hiding a few weeks ago for the sins of his brother

It made me feel sick when she told me

I’d go as far as to say that the state should help them to relocate to somewhere they won’t be known.

splinter65 · 05-11-2019 10:08PM

skallywag wrote: »

I guess I missed where the families said that they approved.

Boy Bs father lost the plot in court the day the verdicts came in. He was “an innocent boy” apparently and heaped abuse on the whole prosecution team, Gardaí and jury. All while the Kriegels were still in the court being comforted

SEPT 23 1989 · 05-11-2019 10:12PM

splinter65 wrote: »

I’d go as far as to say that the state should help them to relocate to somewhere they won’t be known.

Can’t see them staying

splinter65 · 05-11-2019 10:19PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Can’t see them staying

It’s probably financially impossible to leave. A little help might be needed. Then they’d be leaving their son behind too.

glenfieldman · 05-11-2019 10:28PM

splinter65 wrote: »

It’s probably financially impossible to leave. A little help might be needed. Then they’d be leaving their son behind too.

If a son of mine done that to someone, Id leave them in a ditch, never mind a comfortable room

tupenny · 05-11-2019 10:38PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Can’t see them staying

Hope you're right but unlikely

maxsmum · 05-11-2019 10:58PM

Anyone else wonder what went wrong with these two boys and also the young fella sentenced for attempted murder of Stephanie Ng yesterday?
I have a young fella and I'm just hoping and praying he turns out normal. I'd love to know how the families of those 3 boys would have described them as infants and toddlers etc

SEPT 23 1989 · 05-11-2019 11:05PM

maxsmum wrote: »

Anyone else wonder what went wrong with these two boys and also the young fella sentenced for attempted murder of Stephanie Ng yesterday?
I have a young fella and I'm just hoping and praying he turns out normal. I'd love to know how the families of those 3 boys would have described them as infants and toddlers etc

You can only do your best

splinter65 · 05-11-2019 11:10PM

glenfieldman wrote: »

If a son of mine done that to someone, Id leave them in a ditch, never mind a comfortable room

If you actually had a son you’d know that that’s not what you’d do.

Letwin_Larry · 05-11-2019 11:11PM

maxsmum wrote: »

Anyone else wonder what went wrong with these two boys and also the young fella sentenced for attempted murder of Stephanie Ng yesterday?
I have a young fella and I'm just hoping and praying he turns out normal. I'd love to know how the families of those 3 boys would have described them as infants and toddlers etc

crikey talk about not setting the bar too high!
might i be so bold as to suggest you try steering, encouraging or guiding the lad in the direction of aspiring to be someone that contributes something to society?

splinter65 · 05-11-2019 11:12PM

maxsmum wrote: »

Anyone else wonder what went wrong with these two boys and also the young fella sentenced for attempted murder of Stephanie Ng yesterday?
I have a young fella and I'm just hoping and praying he turns out normal. I'd love to know how the families of those 3 boys would have described them as infants and toddlers etc

The young fella yesterday has severe psychiatric problems that his parents had been trying desperately to get help for.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 05-11-2019 11:14PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Well yes, but capital punishment would be more straight forward if you're going down that route, and capital punishment would at least prevent attacks on the perpetrators' families from occurring.

I don't see what benefit removing anonymity would have. Discussing the length of the sentences is a different matter though. Remember that reviews can increase the length, if deemed necessary.

Incarceration is one thing. I don’t advocate a life for a life.

I just think of what a victim feels, the fear and if by naming perpetrators causes them to live in fear upon release as adults then they may in some way understand the consequences of their actions.

I’d also like to say I don’t understand why anyone would attack the families of the perpetrators and I don’t advocate for vigilantism.

If people feared the consequences of their actions then maybe that would stop some. Ideological and utopian maybe but shielding someone is maybe not the right route.

splinter65 · 05-11-2019 11:19PM

maxsmum wrote: »

Anyone else wonder what went wrong with these two boys and also the young fella sentenced for attempted murder of Stephanie Ng yesterday?
I have a young fella and I'm just hoping and praying he turns out normal. I'd love to know how the families of those 3 boys would have described them as infants and toddlers etc

If you keep up a dialogue with him even when he doesn’t want to have a dialogue with you you’ll both be fine. Say “how are you?” everyday looking him in the face even when your tired the **** of him and his **** it’ll be fine. Make sure he knows that everyone he meets is a human and needs to be respected.

holliehobbie · 05-11-2019 11:30PM

splinter65 wrote: »

The young fella yesterday has severe psychiatric problems that his parents had been trying desperately to get help for.

The lack of help for people with mental health issues in this country is shocking. The case above is completely different to these two boys who don't have mental health issues. That is what is so shocking: that they don't have psychiatric problems.

Letwin_Larry · 05-11-2019 11:30PM

splinter65 wrote: »

The young fella yesterday has severe psychiatric problems that his parents had been trying desperately to get help for.

yes there was a case close to where i live where a young fella murdered an old person. his parents did everything to get the lad help as he was clearly unwell, but all to no avail.
the night of the murder before he was ejected from a pub, he even boasted to people that he was going to kill somebody, but nobody took him seriously.

his mum & dad now visit him in Dundrum.

where this case differs is that lad was suffering severe mental illness, but these 2 scrotes appear not to be insane but bad to the bone.

Pauliedragon · 05-11-2019 11:32PM

maxsmum wrote: »

Anyone else wonder what went wrong with these two boys and also the young fella sentenced for attempted murder of Stephanie Ng yesterday?
I have a young fella and I'm just hoping and praying he turns out normal. I'd love to know how the families of those 3 boys would have described them as infants and toddlers etc

The medical community have been trying to figure that out for donkeys. They still can't agree. Are people born bad? Is it upbringing? or is it a combination?

Letwin_Larry · 05-11-2019 11:38PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

The medical community have been trying to figure that out for donkeys. They still can't agree. Are people born bad? Is it upbringing? or is it a combination?

we had some guy on earlier trying to convince us all it "was his smartphone that made him do it"

the fact that killers existed long before iphones, the WWW, social media, porn flicks etc. was totally lost on him.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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