Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Suckit · 05-11-2019 04:19PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's both simple maths and factual.

Given that they're 15 and half of their natural life is 7½ years, they may spend more than that.

But if either of them commit suicide then it could be significantly more.

05-11-2019 04:19PM

The Gemma O Doherty thread is probably this way ->

retro:electro · 05-11-2019 04:20PM

rob316 wrote: »

Some people wouldn't be happy unless the kids were executed. Its about what I expected sentence wise.

I don’t want them to be executed, what would be the point in that? It’s not too much to ask for to want a reasonable sentence to be applied, and actually I think the sentences handed down are appropriate and given some shambolic sentences in this country, could have been a lot more lenient. The issue I, and most others have is the fact that they will never be publicly named and will have the protection of anonymity for the rest of their lives despite being part of one of the most, if not the most barbaric and unfathomable murder the state as ever seen. That doesn’t seem reasonable to me.

Protection for minors once they are minors is fair enough, but once you are 18 that protection should cease.

Faugheen · 05-11-2019 04:20PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

cheek of you

you say "dont name them" and hint at some issues with "other kids" that you refuse to clarify.

then you are challenged that not naming them actually raises significantly the seeming likelihood of other kids being put at risk.

then you claim that your position is so self-evident that it's a waste of your time to have it questioned?

youre a character.

care to actually set out any of what you meant in your post, because I'm as well to tell you it was as clear as mud.

You identify them, you identify the school and with it people who were in their class who had nothing to do with this but are put under the microscope anyway.

Not rocket science.

Suckit · 05-11-2019 04:21PM

Was it reported if both boys parents were in court today?

Letwin_Larry · 05-11-2019 04:22PM

Fieldog wrote: »

My colleagues brother has kids in their class, we saw class pics of them ages ago, normal looking Irish children...

Killers, even serial killers dont have horns and a long tail. they look totally normal. that's the scary thing.

now what's goin on in their brains ......

squirmin' like a toad perhaps?

is_that_so · 05-11-2019 04:26PM

Suckit wrote: »

Given that they're 15 and half of their natural life is 7½ years, they may spend more than that.

But if either of them commit suicide then it could be significantly more.

I mean by the end of their sentences, in their twenties. From their perspective it's a very long time. I think the judge probably got the sentence about right with all that had to be taken into account.

LordBasil · 05-11-2019 04:28PM

Sentences seem appropriate. I hope Boy A rots in prison for a long time.

I think keeping their identities concealed is also done to protect their families from vigilante attacks or discrimation.

Hannibal_Smith · 05-11-2019 04:29PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I don’t want them to be executed, what would be the point in that? It’s not too much to ask for to want a reasonable sentence to be applied, and actually I think the sentences handed down are appropriate and given some shambolic sentences in this country, could have been a lot more lenient. The issue I, and most others have is the fact that they will never be publicly named and will have the protection of anonymity for the rest of their lives despite being part of one of the most, if not the most barbaric and unfathomable murder the state as ever seen. That doesn’t seem reasonable to me.

Protection for minors once they are minors is fair enough, but once you are 18 that protection should cease.

I don't really want to know who they are. Ana and her parents are the ones who are directly affected by what they did and they've faced them and told them the suffering they've brought to them and their daughter.

Any protection offered by anonymity is for their families, not for them.

They've got their punishment, I've no further interest in them only to hope that they develop some sense in years to come and are completely thwarted by what they did.

KWAG2019 · 05-11-2019 04:31PM

Mr Kriégel said: "Justice has been served for Ana. The judge has decided on the sentence, that duty lies with him alone.

He said: "for our part, we can only say that forever is not long enough.

"Please remember Ana and keep her in your hearts somewhere."

tayto lover · 05-11-2019 04:33PM

Delighted with the sentences today, was expecting less.

These boys will have a long time in custody to think about their horrible violent crime. I really hope it drags. Two animals are now caged.

Well done to the Judge.

Sandor Clegane · 05-11-2019 04:35PM

I really don't see how anyone could advocate anything other than life without the possibility of parole, it bothers me when I hear or read something saying they got life...they didn't get life, nothing near it.

Our judicial system is weak and needs an overhaul, these monsters will be out in a few years with a clean slate, a fresh start...free to mingle and mix with the rest of the public again.

What happens when/if they form a relationship? some poor unsuspecting woman may have kids with them, or introduce them to kids she may already have...to me a system that would take such a risk with two people who have committed such a crime is sick.

I don't care if they are 13, there are somethings you just can't come back from and this is one and then some.

Hal3000 · 05-11-2019 04:39PM

I’m not blaming anyone here, but I think a big issue is parents letting phones raise their children. Teens with their heads buried for hours in endless streams of information, gore and most of the time pornography. Our job doesn’t finish until their 18. Kids need to be watched and motivated and most importantly disciplined. Parents need to apply restrictions and just say turn it off now and take the bloody thing away..Of course some are just born evil - neurological imbalance etc, but this whole new parenting approach of handing them a phone and walking away is not working.

JPF82 · 05-11-2019 04:50PM

LordBasil wrote: »

Sentences seem appropriate. I hope Boy A rots in prison for a long time.

I think keeping their identities concealed is also done to protect their families from vigilante attacks or discrimation.

From what I have heard vigilante attacks have occurred. Older brother of one of of the boys regularly gets beaten up. A gang of lads where the culprits just last week. Feel so sorry for the brother having to put up with that. I know one of his friends but not him so that's where my info is from.

Mr E · 05-11-2019 04:51PM

thechewyone wrote: »

And like I said, that is not what I have been hearing on whatsapp, fb etc so with all respect, I cannot accept your assurances. Something very fishy is afoot here.

Mod: About 15 reported posts about you this afternoon. Do not post in this thread again. Next post = Ban.

Pauliedragon · 05-11-2019 05:05PM

One thing I will say about naming them at 18 is they would be front page news all over again for god knows how long amd I think that's a bit harsh on the Kriegel family to have to look at those boys pictures day in day out. They already know who they are let them do their best to move on without dragging them through another circus in 3 years.

skallywag · 05-11-2019 05:06PM

JPF82 wrote: »

From what I have heard vigilante attacks have occurred. Older brother of one of of the boys regularly gets beaten up. A gang of lads where the culprits just last week. Feel so sorry for the brother having to put up with that. I know one of his friends but not him so that's where my info is from.

This nicely points out the ridiculous nature of those on this thread who are calling for the families themselves to be outed.

How to deal with these guys? The best I can think of currently is to lock them up with no chance of parole. Ever. I would favour a change in law in this regard.

Lefty Bicek · 05-11-2019 05:07PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

One thing I will say about naming them at 18 is they would be front page news all over again for god knows how long amd I think that's a bit harsh on the Kriegel family to have to look at those n=boys pictures day in day out. They already know who they are let them do their best to move on without dragging them through another circus in 3 years.

Perhaps with their consent ?

Donald Trump · 05-11-2019 05:11PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

One thing I will say about naming them at 18 is they would be front page news all over again for god knows how long amd I think that's a bit harsh on the Kriegel family to have to look at those boys pictures day in day out. They already know who they are let them do their best to move on without dragging them through another circus in 3 years.

Not being smart, but it's hardly the case that they would have forgotten about it until reminded by the paper what happened to their daughter.
If it were me, I'd be more upset at the thought that they could anonymously slip out and back into society at some stage over the next few years.

iamwhoiam · 05-11-2019 05:11PM

Lovely words from Anas Mam and Dad . At the end of the day it is they who need our love and support . Lets keep Ana in our hearts and do not give the boys and reason to think they are in anyway important . I am in one way glad they are not named and their photos splashed on newspapers , they must not for one minute they are in some perverse way gaining attention or notariety
Ana photo is in all our hearts and memories , let the boys sink into oblivion

KWAG2019 · 05-11-2019 05:32PM

Ana’s father summed it up better than anyone: the duty of sentence lies with the judge alone. “For our part, forever is not long enough”. RIP Ana.

skallywag · 05-11-2019 05:39PM

KWAG2019 wrote: »

Ana’s father summed it up better than anyone: the duty of sentence lies with the judge alone.

While I can see what he meant, unfortunately the Judge can only hand down a sentence which is written into our law.

I feel that the sentencing maximums need to be changed radically in such a case, e.g. if not life meaning life then at least something like a 50 year minimum time served sentence.

05-11-2019 05:41PM

Life for A and 20 years for B with no reviews for either. Plus identification when they turn 18. They would be reasonable sentences not what was handed down today.

I see the craven Journal is still not allowing comments (and by extension, criticism / condemnation of the murderers). Who are they trying to protect?

05-11-2019 06:07PM

Jesus, 12 and 8 years is disgracefully low for what they did. Not even close to fitting the crime.
I truly hope their names and faces make it to the public when they walk free.

P.Walnuts · 05-11-2019 06:11PM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Jesus, 12 and 8 years is disgracefully low for what they did. Not even close to fitting the crime.

See, that is just not correct.

It's life and 15 years. Both to be REVIEWED after 12 and 8 years respectively.

Let's not pretend any of us can see into the future and guess how those hearings go.

BTW if Boy A so much as breaks a red light when/if he's released his life sentence can be reactivated.

Purple Mountain · 05-11-2019 06:12PM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Jesus, 12 and 8 years is disgracefully low for what they did. Not even close to fitting the crime.
I truly hope their names and faces make it to the public when they walk free.

Unfortunately these vermin will probably get new identities abroad like James Bolgers killers did.

retro:electro · 05-11-2019 06:14PM

Good report on the six one news just now. The Gardai really did follow procedure with remarkable precision in order to minimise any chance of unfair treatment accusations by the defence. While you might have felt like they were getting “preferential” treatment before and during the trial, it really was all done in order to secure an honest and just conviction. An amazing job considering children murdering children is a rarity in Ireland and so it would be such new ground.

LillySV · 05-11-2019 06:15PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

I don't really want to know who they are. Ana and her parents are the ones who are directly affected by what they did and they've faced them and told them the suffering they've brought to them and their daughter.

Any protection offered by anonymity is for their families, not for them.

They've got their punishment, I've no further interest in them only to hope that they develop some sense in years to come and are completely thwarted by what they did.

These little pricks didn’t show any emotion or remorse throughout the trial....they don’t give a damn other Than the affect it has on them.... they shouldn’t be considered for release ever!

Anus Von Skidmark · 05-11-2019 06:16PM

Suckit wrote: »

Given that they're 15 and half of their natural life is 7½ years, they may spend more than that.

But if either of them commit suicide then it could be significantly more.

If either of them is to kick the bucket before their sentence is up, I'd hope it's a slow and painful beating rather than a quick suicide.

iamwhoiam · 05-11-2019 06:17PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Good report on the six one news just now. The Gardai really did follow procedure with remarkable precision in order to minimise any chance of unfair treatment accusations by the defence. While you might have felt like they were getting “preferential” treatment before and during the trial, it really was all done in order to secure an honest and just conviction. An amazing job considering children murdering children is a rarity in Ireland and so it would be such new ground.

I have great admiration for the investigating team in this case . Because of their age it could so easily have collapsed but they were meticulous and so professional

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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