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Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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  • #6362
    Sandor Clegane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    No surprise.

    Pathetic sentence from a pathetic judicial system.


  • #6363
    omega man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭omega man


    To think she just wanted friends. It’s truly haunting.

    What were the chances that 2 like minded ‘children’ could come together and even fantasize about doing such a thing, never mind actually carrying it out. I just can’t get my head around it, nor do I want to.


  • #6364
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    They should be named and shamed and forced to live with the consequences of their actions.

    They are already named and well known in their local community, hundreds if not thousands of people there know who they are. All prison staff they interact with know who they are, also any inmates they come in contact with will already know or soon work out who they are. So anonymity is not going to help them for the next 8 years at least.


  • #6365
    baldbear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,655 ✭✭✭baldbear


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    We live with people who do and have committed many crimes, thankfully extreme crimes, as mentioned, are rare, I.e. you ll be grand

    The point is they don't deserve to have their identities protected. They will be out at 23 & 27. They should be treated like paedos and hounded everywhere they go.


  • #6366
    Letwin_Larry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Letwin_Larry


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They are already named and well known in their local community, hundreds if not thousands of people there know who they are. All prison staff they interact with know who they are, also any inmates they come in contact with will already know or soon work out who they are. So anonymity is not going to help them for the next 8 years at least.

    that is to be welcomed.
    but i think what posters here want is that they should not be given a new identity and allowed to slip back into normal society, possibly living next door to some innocent family with young children.

    because as we all know life does NOT mean life in this country.
    they'll probably both be roaming our streets, schools, niteclubs, bars in 10, 15 years if not sooner.


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  • #6367
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,513 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    I've just deleted a number of posts

    Charles Leclerc, do not post in this thread again

    The rest of you - please ignore anything he has posted that has not been dealt with already

    Any questions, PM me


  • #6368
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,001 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Some predictably mad stuff being posted in the thread.


  • #6369
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,505 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Sandor Clegane wrote: »
    No surprise.

    Pathetic sentence from a pathetic judicial system.

    Its the concurrent sentence which I can't understand.

    Pathetic.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • #6370
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    While I don't agree with most of the language used here, In a case like this, it's hard to not want some further justice. As a parent myself, I'd be a hypocrite to state otherwise.

    They gave Anna a life sentence and have their whole lives in front of them once their out. That is not justice.

    Justice should be to remove their freedom to live in the community until the day they die.


  • #6371
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Letwin_Larry wrote: »
    that is to be welcomed.
    but i think what posters here want is that they should not be given a new identity and allowed to slip back into normal society, possibly living next door to some innocent family with young children.

    because as we all know life does NOT mean life in this country.
    they'll probably both be roaming our streets, schools, niteclubs, bars in 10, 15 years if not sooner.
    Apart from the US and some very rare cases in the UK it doesn't mean natural life anywhere but it is a sentence served. I'd expect them to change identity and move away once they have served those sentences. I do think it is dreadful that their moment of savagery destroyed the life they took and their own lives.


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  • #6372
    Donnielighto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,760 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    mariaalice wrote: »
    Its a bit like taking drugs for the vast majority no lasting effect for some huge negative effects on their life and the lives of those around them. The problem is there is no definitive way of knowing which group someone falls in to.

    So blanket ban on video games? How about law and order or shows like that?


  • #6373
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    While I don't agree with most of the language used here, In a case like this, it's hard to not want some further justice. As a parent myself, I'd be a hypocrite to state otherwise.

    They gave Anna a life sentence and have their whole lives in front of them once their out. That is not justice.

    Justice should be to remove their freedom to live in the community until the day they die.
    That can't be done no matter how deplorable their actions.


  • #6374
    Letwin_Larry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Letwin_Larry


    Arghus wrote: »
    Some predictably mad stuff being posted in the thread.

    indeed.
    the killing of a 14 y/o girl is bound to raise passions.
    this country is very good at looking after the killers and scumbags it seems.

    the innocent victims are left to get on with it.


  • #6375
    Bigbagofcans
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Bigbagofcans


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Apart from the US and some very rare cases in the UK it doesn't mean natural life anywhere but it is a sentence served. I'd expect them to change identity and move away once they have served those sentences. I do think it is dreadful that their moment of savagery destroyed the life they took and their own lives.

    I wouldn't call it a moment of savagery. A calculated murder thought out by 2 bullying psychopaths.

    And their own lives aren't destroyed. They have an anonymous clean-slated future ahead of them.


  • #6376
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,519 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Wonder what these two outstanding fcukwits will be like when they're out.

    Poor young girl it's such a sad case and I think our laws are so outdated and favour the scum bags we actually need change.


  • #6377
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    francie81 wrote: »
    When Ana’s parents say ‘forever is not long enough’ are they hinting at capital punishment a life for a life sort of thing I wonder?
    Regardless how horrifying this must of being for them.
    They've lost a child so it will be forever for them. Any comment they make reflects that pain.


  • #6378
    Letwin_Larry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Letwin_Larry


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Apart from the US and some very rare cases in the UK it doesn't mean natural life anywhere but it is a sentence served. I'd expect them to change identity and move away once they have served those sentences. I do think it is dreadful that their moment of savagery destroyed the life they took and their own lives.

    personally i would have no problem if they left them rot for the next 50 years.
    that poor child is never coming back.


  • #6379
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    Marty Xavier wrote: »
    So how many is not many?

    Precisely zero. I'm assuming you have a similar tally?
    mariaalice wrote: »
    The... it did not affect me so therefore it has no affect on anybody agrument.

    As opposed to the sicko does something sick and blames it on "X" argument?

    Video games do not turn normal people into sadistic killers. Porn doesn't turn normal people into rapists.
    It's as idiotic a suggestion as making Larry Murphy watch a few chick flicks might make him see the error of his ways and turn him into an auld romantic.

    There were rapists and sadistic killers long before there were any video games or porn. Some people are just scum, it's innate.


  • #6380
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Bigbagofcans wrote: »
    I wouldn't call it a moment of savagery. A calculated murder thought out by 2 bullying psychopaths.

    And their own lives aren't destroyed. They have an anonymous clean-slated future ahead of them.
    They have lost all of their teens and will lose a good chunk of their twenties to incarceration. That's not a clean slate. Anonymity doesn't guarantee anything they will be marked for what they did.


  • #6381
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Wonder what these two outstanding fcukwits will be like when they're out.

    Poor young girl it's such a sad case and I think our laws are so outdated and favour the scum bags we actually need change.
    How? This case is not useful for precedent, given how extremely unusual, legally speaking, the facts are.


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  • #6382
    Letwin_Larry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Letwin_Larry


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Precisely zero. I'm assuming you have a similar tally?



    As opposed to the sicko does something sick and blames it on "X" argument?

    Video games do not turn normal people into sadistic killers. Porn doesn't turn normal people into rapists.
    It's as idiotic a suggestion as making Larry Murphy watch a few chick flicks might make him see the error of his ways and turn him into an auld romantic.

    There were rapists and sadistic killers long before there were any video games or porn. Some people are just scum, it's innate.

    ya here's more psycho-babble nonsense excuses for scumbag killers & rapists,

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/my-brain-made-me-do-it-is-becoming-a-more-common-criminal-defense/


  • #6383
    francie81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭francie81


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They've lost a child so it will be forever for them. Any comment they make reflects that pain.

    Was thinking that so just their way of expressing it so long as they live.


  • #6384
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,463 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Some people wouldn't be happy unless the kids were executed. Its about what I expected sentence wise.


  • #6385
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    rob316 wrote: »
    Some people wouldn't be happy unless the kids were executed. Its about what I expected sentence wise.
    They will have spent half their natural lives in detention by the time they get out.


  • #6386
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They will have spent half their natural lives in detention by the time they get out.

    That now, is really a quite manipulative use of language.


  • #6387
    airy fairy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    Will their names be protected after being transferred to adult prison at 18?
    Or is there something somewhere saying the judge has ruled that they remain nameless...what about when they get out? Has that or will that be addressed?


  • #6388
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    That now, is really a quite manipulative use of language.
    It's both simple maths and factual.


  • #6389
    brendanwalsh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


    Their pictures were plastered all over Twitter , probably stil viewable


  • #6390
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    brendanwalsh wrote: »
    Their pictures were plastered all over Twitter , probably stil viewable

    That picture isnt them.


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  • #6391
    Hal3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Hal3000


    There is no way they can ever be totally anonymous in Ireland. Unless we all forget, if not they’ll probably have to leave the country once released.


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