Boil water notice

unkel wrote: »

My youngest child has been sick with an upset stomach for the last few days. She drinks a lot of water. Could be worse if I hadn't copped onto the fact the Lucan gets the Leixlip water supply and I have been boiling her drinking water since last night.

Not saying this is related, I don't know. But it's a bit of a coincidence though isn't it? Several other people in my whatsapp group from my small estate (<100 houses) have reported similar issues

Mistakes can be made, but the incompetency not to have Lucan included on their list is inexcusable imho :mad:

Lucan were included on the original map but very hard to see it.
A good few are currently sick and stomach cramps and the runs are a part of it and can spread to the rest of the family

PhilOssophy wrote: »

We have 2 options for in this country
1. Get used to this kind of crap
2. Fund water services properly. If the govt stop giving everyone a fiver in every budget and say they are putting it into water infrastructure, it would be a good days work.

A sensible debate on the one public service we can't survive without is badly needed, and take the bloody politics out of the equation FFS.

If only you could trust the government

givyjoe wrote: »

Water charges do not solve the issue of incompetent staff and mismanagement. Irish waters handling of the issue has been nothing short of a shambles.

People dont have the time to keep up with all the failings of organisations of the state, off the top of my head there was a huge spill off the east coast from around Louth, this and no doubt countless others, if anyone thinks that paying IW was going to or ever was going to fix the problem then they are deluded, because the amount paid in would not cover it imo. IW who were giving themselves bonuses off the bat when it barely got going as an organisation. Access to clean water is IMO a basic necessity of a functioning non third world nation, I would say its shameful to state that as I think there are likely 3rd world nations that do a better job of it then us. The reality is, in the main, the mindset around IW seems only to have been to extract mney from us and it didnt work, Id have happily paid if I thought we were at the start of a fully thought out plan to rethink water supply, but in reality, I dont think it can ever happen, by not progressing on something as basic/essential/critical as this, I wonder how we are actually functioning at all as a nation, I think we are teetering from one disaster to another, and if they could get away with it, we would not ven be told by the powers that be or the people charged with (and paid for) the job of managing whats in their remit.

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I love how once a boil water notice hits Dublin there is an outcry. This will effect us for another day, two at most. There have been parts of the country that had to boil water for well over a year & no outcry. Our water system is a shambles & will continue to be a shambles until people pay water charges. real water charges, not the pretend "it's in our taxes" nonsense

Look, that attitude doesnt solve anything, people complaining about a specific area in a specific forum doesnt mean they are disregarding wherever you are referring to, but I detest that response, the parochial Im going to turn this into an us/vs them, rural vs urban problem, the people who come up with comments like that IMO are helping (and probably happy to do so) those who have essentially through inaction, incompetence or negligence foisted this upon us all, WE are all in the same barrel, so I think less of the help them divide and conquer us please. You may as well have said its those politicians up there in Dublin and so on, we are all being taken for a ride and its not funny.
Probably get someone on about taking water from the Shannon next.

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Here's the thing about water charges. Lots & lots of people pay no income tax. Not a penny. Low paid, unemployed, OAPs etc. 100s of 1000s of people paying no income tax yet getting the same services as you. Water charges if properly introduced would would catch all of these. Not the nonsense FG tried to bring in e.g. everyone pays but the water allowance exempts most OAPs, people living alone & families. This stupidity meant that the people caught for water charges were going to pay a small fortune because so many would be exempt. My household with four adults would have been paying 1200/1500 per year.

We need water charges where everyone pays. From newborn babies to OAPs. No allowance. Every 100 liters charged BUT at a much lower rate than FG wanted to charge. The present system doesn't raise enough money to improve the system AND far too many people get away without paying a penny towards water leaving you & me to carry the load.

THERE IS NO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, not any kind of national strategy to fix the problems, leaks, treatment, a national debate, how about that, before we pay for anything? How long has IW been in existence? what have they come up with other than take their pay? (and bonuses), surely they are responsible for a national plan? How about this? we cut it out of the USC (tax) take?
That way it'll seem like we arent even being gouged so much.
Whatever of old people, charging babies is a new one on me, you must be FG through and through.
The reality is, people (Adults) should all contribute, all that money should be ringfenced for water projects, that said, I dont it would scratch the surface as to what is required to fix the problem, so extracting more and more money from people wont work if there is no improvements, for improvements you need a plan, implement it, doing anything at this point would help, IW just seem to exist? another excuse to have another body that isnt able to do anything and doesnt.

Sleeper12 wrote: »

BUT the 600K were fully aware that parts of Ireland had boil notice for longer than a year & there was no outcry. They didn't care. Plain & simple.

People have enough on their plate, maybe most just mange to get by,

average_runner wrote: »

Yes I do. When you add in PRSI, Income Tax, USC, VAT, property tax, Diesel tax, BKI on Health Insurance and I am probably missing some more.

The reality is, our tax system, helps hide what we pay, I dont know if other countries have a similar system but it seems to allow for tinkering with taxation without it being political suicide. IMO tax credits shouldnt exist, just lower the effective tax rate and show us what it is without us having to work it out, all taxation should be ditributed to necessary projects and supplemented by loans and NOT simply a case of going into one big pot so we can see what value we are getting, as it stands, I dont think we can see, and I dont think they know themsleves (they being the Depts and organisations that spend our money, ie the tax). They dont want it to be known it seems, or have no interest or never even thought of it.

PhilOssophy wrote: »

We have 2 options for in this country
1. Get used to this kind of crap
2. Fund water services properly. If the govt stop giving everyone a fiver in every budget and say they are putting it into water infrastructure, it would be a good days work.
A sensible debate on the one public service we can't survive without is badly needed, and take the bloody politics out of the equation FFS.

I dont know if we have 2 options, another one would be, treat our own water, Im already considering that, given Im in the catchment area of the contaminated water supply, I havent seen anything official stating what the problem was, outside of officialdom Ive seen that there could be water cysts, Crypto and Feacal Coliforms in the supply, no bloody wonder I was sick for days last week, how long was it going on FFS?
If I am to pay anything, I want to know how much IW costs, how much they spend, how much benefit we receive, ie are we getting clean water, if not why not, where are the problems, why, what is the national plan/strategy for upgrading/improving/replacing the water supply infrastructure, otherwise it just seems Id be paying to prop up IW or something else, ie the tax pot.

1874 wrote:

Look, that attitude doesnt solve anything, people complaining about a specific area in a specific forum doesnt mean they are disregarding wherever you are referring to, but I detest that response, the parochial Im going to turn this into an us/vs them, rural vs urban problem, the people who come up with comments like that IMO are helping (and probably happy to do so) those who have essentially through inaction, incompetence or negligence foisted this upon us all, WE are all in the same barrel, so I think less of the help them divide and conquer us please. You may as well have said its those politicians up there in Dublin and so on, we are all being taken for a ride and its not funny. Probably get someone on about taking water from the Shannon next.

I live in Dublin and I always have. I just find it laughable at the outrage at Irish water now that we have a boil notice for a few days & the same people couldn't give a toss about parts of ire that had boil notices for longer than a year. The County folk must be laughing at us outraged over a minor inconvenience. Someone else said they weren't aware of parts of the country having boil notices for long periods of time yet its on the news daily. It was repeated daily during the water meter protests. People live in their own little bubble. That's all I was saying

http://www.rte.ie/news/2019/1025/1085543-boil-notice/

Still no Raheny or Lucan on the list yet part of both areas are effected.

On pat Kenny this morning : part of Ennis had a boil water notice alert for over 3 years and somewhere else listed on Irish water website has same notice since January this year

Glad I have some effervescent vitamin tablets around because boiled water tastes odd, maybe the kettle was boiled too many times...

Can we get some sort of email or text notification for when it's safe does anyone know? Nothing posted to the house or anything, if it wasn't for randomly seeing this thread on the main page or getting an email in work I wouldn't have known. Lucky I was on shift the day it started so could see the email.

It's been lifted. Drink away!

Good to hear you guys are ok. I was feeling a little sketchy the morning the boil notice was issued, possibly just a coincidence, although I didn't really eat anything during the week just pasta and cereal in work. Wouldn't really be surprised if they were late with the notice, but it's resolved now at least.

It will be interesting to see if anything comes of them having the same issue in a short space of time, especially as there's quite a large number effected.

1874 wrote:

well I suppose we can expect the mains supply is ok? was there an official update on it being ok? not on twitter myself, i suppose as i dont watch mainstream tv i should consider setting up an account for state bodies that might deal with emergencies. Did they ever clarify what the cause of the problem was and what was actually in the water? its possible this affected a lot of people but some categories will be more susceptible than others or it might be seriously dangerous for them to be in the situation of consuming contamibated water.

Lifted sin Friday evening. Every radio station & news outlet covered this.

They are being a bit cagey about what went wrong. A section of water didn't get the full treatment & wasn't up to the usual safety standards. These things happen and this isn't the real issue imo. Alarms that were supposed to go off didn't go off & the way Irish water half heartedly warned the public is the real issue here.

Only a few months ago a large amount of natural gas wasn't treated. It's oderless so they have to add the gas smell. When they realised what happened they immediately got the media to warn people not to use the gas. They wanted to pump it full circle so they could treat it at the plant.

Mistakes happen and this is fine. Its how they are handled once discovered that is the important thing.

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I believe this to be true.

Mistakes happen & I can live with that. It's how the mistakes & aftermath is handled if usually the important thing. No question that they failed badly in this case.

But they don't have to answer to anyone.

DaveyDave wrote: »

So they ignored the EPA's suggestion to install an automatic shutdown, then months later proved why they needed one. I wouldn't expect anything less...

I know what you mean but I have a feeling IW could prove they would do less, Id be astonished if this didnt happen again.
The staff either dont know what they are doing or dont care, management absolutely need to be taken to task on this too, its very likely they are driving it, if that was me and I was responsible knowing that 100s of thousands of people would be affected Id have shut off the water and contacted the EPA myself, especially if I was told to keep quiet or not turn it off. Its not like they could be sacked, surely they have procedures to follow in these circumstances? they should have spares on hand and alternate means to supply uncontaminated water, ie if one part of the operation needs maintenenace or breaks down, then they should be able to operate a partial but cleaned supply. The contaminants I read about would seem to be removable by filtration, it appears they were also already recommended to get UV filtration, Id have thought this was standard.
Im wondering if this is really some 5th column tactic by IW and the powers that be to foist charges on us, when in reality it sets me against them more as I know you would end up paying and this would still happen.
I know fixes take time to plan and implement but it appears they have done nothing since March.

Sir Dosser wrote: »

Why are we getting our water from
Boyle anyway?

Took me a while -