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Blizzard / Hong Kong controversy

  • 01-11-2019 8:14pm
    #1
    pixelburp
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    Given recent events, I'd be very surprised if any controversy or discomfort for ActiBlizzard occurs. They'll surely have everything twice as scripted and planned as usual.


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  • #2
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    There's already controversy with prez's completely hollow apology where he doesn't even mention Blitzchung's name.

    But I more expect the hilarity to come from civilians attending the con, or those not being let in for reasons haha.

    Diablo IV looked nice and grimdark until gameplay, not impressive at all visually IMO. Very janky animation and flat lighting.


  • #3
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Blizzard can apologise all they want but if they aren't going to address what they should be apologising for or admit how wrong they were then they are effectively apologising for nothing and being slimy business scum.

    **** off blizzard
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  • #4
    Arcadeheroes
    Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭Arcadeheroes


    This was the perfect time for Blizzard to address the situation using their platform in highlighting what will they do going forward but unfortunately whatever apology they tried to express felt very PR and leaves the whole Blizzcon tainted .

    Of course this whole situation goes beyond videogames and Blizzard as many of us around the world already live in a censored world because of China without realising it .

    If we look at how many countries including ours disregard Taiwan as an actual Country , is actually quite disgusting .

    But in the end Blizzard really needs to think about how they handle business in the future and cop on.


  • #5
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Blizzard can apologise all they want but if they aren't going to address what they should be apologising for or admit how wrong they were then they are effectively apologising for nothing and being slimy business scum.

    **** off blizzard

    When he started speaking I was really hoping he'd say something worth while. Instead it was really just more lip service that sounded good, but meant nothing at all.


  • #6
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Buuuuut, when the dust settles, we've seen time and again that the gaming community is disinterested and demotivated as a consumer base, the concerned either lacking critical mass and / or follow through. Blizzard likely know that the groundswell will talk a good game of outrage, but that they'll still buy the Overwatch or Diablo seauels. Now that's not being holier than thou mind, I'm posting with a Huawei phone so mea culpa, but this particular hobby struggles to maintain a strong sense of consumer pushback.


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  • #7
    EoinHef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭EoinHef


    Seems they went with the big hitter sequel announcements,my guess is to try distract people.

    The fact those games are nowhere near release is ridiculous though.


  • #8
    Gunmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Gunmonkey


    EoinHef wrote: »
    Seems they went with the big hitter sequel announcements,my guess is to try distract people.

    The fact those games are nowhere near release is ridiculous though.

    Well they needed to put Diablo 4 front a center after the cluster**** last year with "Is this an out of season Aprils Fool joke?" and "Do you guys not have phones?"


  • #9
    EoinHef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭EoinHef


    Gunmonkey wrote: »
    Well they needed to put Diablo 4 front a center after the cluster**** last year with "Is this an out of season Aprils Fool joke?" and "Do you guys not have phones?"

    Yeah had a good chuckle at that last year.

    The fact its release platforms are PC,PS4 and Xbox One means we should see it before the end of next year.


  • #10
    Varik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,552 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    They've a few people streaming it now, only a slice of the game but don't think it's too far off.


  • #11
    EoinHef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭EoinHef


    Yeah its kinda conflicting info,below from PCGamer:
    During the panel, Blizzard also said that Diablo 4's release is a long ways off. "We are not coming out soon. Not even 'Blizzard soon'," said director Luis Barriga.

    But it has to be before end of year next year other wise it would be PC,PS5 and Xbox Scarlett.

    Id say they will make a next gen version but likely launch on current consoles first. Or maybe it will launch only on current consoles after PS5 Xbox Scarlett have released and only be on those systems down the road.

    Clear as mud:P


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  • #12
    Robert ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Buuuuut, when the dust settles, we've seen time and again that the gaming community is disinterested and demotivated as a consumer base, the concerned either lacking critical mass and / or follow through.

    Mainstream media like to paint that picture however things like the Epic Game Store exclusivity and Blizzard's unethical and unfair treatment of players has been downplayed or defended by them before and people seem to have had enough. Players in mass unsubscribed/stopped playing Blizzard titles, others refrain from buying from EGS if the game got snatched by an exclusivity deal. Single player games are still massively popular. Ubisoft is tanking in profits and being forced to make a change. The EA brand is as good as dead and Kotaku and similar outlets have lost credibility, profitability and readership.

    Seems to me people are sticking to their guns about a lot of issues.


  • #13
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    People (or the vast majority) haven't stopped playing Blizzard games because of their treatment of employees or their politics. It's the games themselves. BFA has been a bit of a disaster for Blizzard, and with Starcraft and Diablo 3 at the end of the life, Overwatch is the only other thing people have been interested in.

    Classic shows that people are quite happy to ignore all the scandals in the world, as long as they get the game they want.


  • #14
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Robert ninja wrote: »
    Mainstream media like to paint that picture however things like the Epic Game Store exclusivity and Blizzard's unethical and unfair treatment of players has been downplayed or defended by them before and people seem to have had enough. Players in mass unsubscribed/stopped playing Blizzard titles, others refrain from buying from EGS if the game got snatched by an exclusivity deal. Single player games are still massively popular. Ubisoft is tanking in profits and being forced to make a change. The EA brand is as good as dead and Kotaku and similar outlets have lost credibility, profitability and readership.

    Seems to me people are sticking to their guns about a lot of issues.

    Would love to see some stats on the "Players in mass unsubscribed/stopped playing Blizzard titles". Or indeed how you construe this as some gamer mobilisation. Perhaps in recent weeks - if the stats back it up - but then the protests at Blizzcon are thin on the ground AFAIK. As Kiith says, many games are end of life by all accounts.

    The EA brand is as good as dead? According to who, the think pieces on the net that you then also take a pop at? Random internet surveys around the "worst company in America"? Unless FIFA sales have dipped, there's no sign the yearly sports iterations are dropping support (isn't 2Ks NBA title doing gangbusters?), while CoD continues to dominate in the non sports iterations.

    I'll say one thing: public pressure and gamer backlash is responsible for EA et al being under pressure from governments and regulators over their gambling-not-gambling. But part of that pressure came from ... ... mainstream media. Cos, you know, it's mainstream. That thing you're saying folks are ignoring.

    Ubisoft, assuming what you say is true, of course would be faltering because they decided that they could effectively shovel out the same game N times over, ever year, and see constant success. What a shock that yearly assassin's creed or far cry games weren't a constant appeal.

    What you're describing IMO is the market kicking back against this inane idea that profits and growth are infinite, an affliction that tech companies in general suffer from if you extend the criticism towards the likes of Uber, WeWork and other corps gone wild. At the ground level though, I don't believe gamers' online angst tracks at the point it counts.

    But then something something kotaku?


  • #15
    Robert ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    I just see players actually making a pushback and I think it's to be celebrated. Quite sick of the doom and gloom when this is the most action consumers have made in gaming in a long time about things like this.
    pixelburp wrote: »
    Would love to see some stats on the "Players in mass unsubscribed/stopped playing Blizzard titles".
    Maybe them disabling the ability to cancel subscriptions wasn't a big enough sign? Other companies did that exact same thing when a controversy happened and they wanted a to keep a death grip on fleeing customers. Pretty obvious what's happening. Forums, social media, reddit, image boards were full of players saying they won't play X game anymore or showing screenshots of unsubscribing. It won't kill the company but it shows enough players reacted: That's a good thing. But sure just downplay it because gamers bad m'kay.

    As for Kotaku: It's their parent company overall
    https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/611360-kotaku-deadspin-gawker-fight-back-go-media
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/farmers-insurance-pulls-million-dollar-ad-campaign-with-go-media-after-editorial-staff-raises-hell
    https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/10/deadspin-rip


  • #16
    PostWoke
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    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Blizzard can apologise all they want but if they aren't going to address what they should be apologising for or admit how wrong they were then they are effectively apologising for nothing and being slimy business scum.

    **** off blizzard

    1000%
    pixelburp wrote: »
    Buuuuut, when the dust settles, we've seen time and again that the gaming community is disinterested and demotivated as a consumer base, the concerned either lacking critical mass and / or follow through. Blizzard likely know that the groundswell will talk a good game of outrage, but that they'll still buy the Overwatch or Diablo seauels. Now that's not being holier than thou mind, I'm posting with a Huawei phone so mea culpa, but this particular hobby struggles to maintain a strong sense of consumer pushback.

    "So let's not bother at all" is your argument here?
    Robert ninja wrote: »
    Mainstream media

    lol can you give me even one example of the evil MaInStReAm MeDiA painting this picture? It's users themselves that do this, dropping all objections and salivating as soon as they release a CG trailer for a game 3-4 years away. Mainstream media boogeyman lmfao.


  • #17
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Buuuuut, when the dust settles, we've seen time and again that the gaming community is disinterested and demotivated as a consumer base, the concerned either lacking critical mass and / or follow through. Blizzard likely know that the groundswell will talk a good game of outrage, but that they'll still buy the Overwatch or Diablo seauels. Now that's not being holier than thou mind, I'm posting with a Huawei phone so mea culpa, but this particular hobby struggles to maintain a strong sense of consumer pushback.

    Overwatch has lifetime sales of 50 million.
    Diablo has lifetime sales of over 30 million.

    Would you feck off with this "all gamers" malarkey.
    Fact is, all consumer bases do not have to agree with each other's views.
    If people still want to use games for fun / reward the artists & programmers who have nothing to do with upper management, let them.


  • #18
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    reward the artists & programmers

    This is a very weak and disingenuous excuse to buy a product because you want to, not caring that the studio cowtows to a government that is pulling organs out of people and locking them up in camps. They get paid quite well, they don't need you throwing a doggy bone at them.


  • #19
    Dohnjoe
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    Seems to me that while a vocal minority of gamers might create a big storm online about something, the majority of gamers ultimately don't seem to care much. Boycotts almost never materialise.

    The key bottom line seems to be: if we like a game we buy it. Politics and drama might dent PR and sales somewhat, but apparently not too much.


  • #20
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    vocal minority

    This is the weakest argument on the entire internet.

    "I disagree, so it must only be a few people being much louder than everyone else!"


  • #21
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    PostWoke wrote: »
    This is the weakest argument on the entire internet.

    "I disagree, so it must only be a few people being much louder than everyone else!"

    In my experience, it's true. So many times I've witnessed a huge wave of anger/outrage on social media, gaming sites, etc, but sales barely affected; we vote with our wallets


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  • #22
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    PostWoke wrote: »
    This is the weakest argument on the entire internet.

    "I disagree, so it must only be a few people being much louder than everyone else!"

    You have a few thousand people on Twitter or w/e shouting their views, yet the games (or other media) sell millions - data is on our side.


  • #23
    J. Marston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,221 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    The only thing that matters is if a game is shìt or not. Nothing else will affect sales.

    Blizzard and China buddying up won't affect Diablo 4 or Overwatch 2.

    That pregnancy hooha from AC Odyssey's DLC won't affect sales of the next AC.

    Crunch at Rockstar will not affect GTA6 sales.

    There is 0.1% of the gaming community who want to be militant about gaming and organise boycotts and protests but the rest just don't give a fùck and I'm part of that 99.9% now.

    Microtransactions and lootbox gambling used to boil my piss, so much so that I even emailed TDs about it. I just don't care anymore, I wanna play good games and not be focused on drama or whatever crusade Kotaku are charging into this week.


  • #24
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Exactly. When I log into battle net, it's not like the majority of my friends are gone (or any of them are gone) And even if one of them did quit due to the China thing, they'd be back within a month.


  • #25
    Jerichoholic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Jerichoholic


    I'll tell you what, I'll play Diablo 4 when it comes out, because Diablo is ****ing great.

    You would almost have to stop breathing if you wanted to dig deep into every product you use and the company that makes it as you'll find something dodgy in everything.

    Are you going to stop watching Star Wars because those toys you played with as a child were made in China?


  • #26
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Jerichoholic wrote: »
    I'll tell you what, I'll play Diablo 4 when it comes out, because Diablo is ****ing great.

    You would almost have to stop breathing if you wanted to dig deep into every product you use and the company that makes it as you'll find something dodgy in everything.

    Are you going to stop watching Star Wars because those toys you played with as a child were made in China?

    No, I'll stop watching Star Wars because they're owned by Disney now ;)

    In fairness, outside of living in a cabin off the grid, purity of principle is impossible these days, but it is up to the individual consumer where they decide to draw the line; I reject facebook, but then I use WhatsApp and Instagram; the former because it's the only way to contact some friends & family, the latter because I enjoy photography. I'll boycott the core product but obvious from a puritanical point of view, I'm a hypocrite.

    As to media, well, Chinese investment these days is everywhere, so short of investigating every game studio or Film production for its finances, there has to be a value judgement called somewhere. Again, the only response is to put a halt to a hobby, retreat to a cabin in the woods (and even if I kept to 100% in-country funded productions, some would argue the US is worse than China so you're back to square 1 on the moral purity ladder)

    With Blizzard, welp, same again when it comes to the above; where the differences comes this time perhaps, is that Blizzard's own actions have been pretty craven, and publicly obsequious in bowing to what is fairly demonstrable antagonism by China towards internal demonstration. There's a point where the hypocrisy becomes harder to ignore and drives people to action, or at least, displeasure.

    If we're living in the modern world, we're all hypocrites to some degree or another, be in on issues of data privacy, pro-democracy feelings, environmentalism, fast fashion and so on; the trick is finding a happy balance between fighting the good fight, and not completely abandoning the realities of just trying to get by in this world.

    It's actually something the brilliant TV show "The Good Place" addresses in its own goofy, hilarious way. Being good in such an overlapping, interconnected world is impossible, all you can do is your best. And I say all this, posting from my Huawei phone 🤷


  • #27
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    You have a few thousand people on Twitter or w/e shouting their views, yet the games (or other media) sell millions - data is on our side.

    And a few thousand on reddit, and then a few thousand on forums... sure there's millions of spineless people who just want their jollies and think they exist in a vacuum. But making it out to be just a few loudmouths is disingenuous, they were able to have the Blizzard subreddit set to private for a few days there. Plenty of people have the spine out there to say 'no thanks'.


  • #28
    dreamers75
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    Other thread>>>>>



    <<<<< gaming News


  • #29
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    So at what point are we not allowed ... you know, discuss the news on a discussion thread? Blizzard-China-Hearthstone is news, and opens up larger topic cos that's the nature of the headline item. If you think it should be branched off, then report the posts and let the mods decide. Otherwise we just rename the thread as "headlines only" and save this cycle of "stop talking about the news!!" at whatever arbitrary point selective users get tired of a subject. Or just ubsub from the thread.


  • #30
    dreamers75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    I would hope when it turns into "Heated Gaming discussion" it goes in there, never to be seen by people who dont give a fcuk about it.

    Then those that read the gaming news thread for news can do just that.


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  • #31
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    dreamers75 wrote: »
    I would hope when it turns into "Heated Gaming discussion" it goes in there, never to be seen by people who dont give a fcuk about it.

    Then those that read the gaming news thread for news can do just that.

    So like I said, report the posts that offend and let the mods decide (and because I'm nice, already did just that). Fair enough when a subject gets longwinded but obviously some folk DO give a fcuk, and want to discuss the news; it's pertinent and not particularly heated either TBH. Your mileage may vary, but why not ignore it - or post some new-news to talk about. That's how news discussion works :)


  • #32
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    pixelburp wrote: »
    So at what point are we not allowed ... you know, discuss the news on a discussion thread? Blizzard-China-Hearthstone is news, and opens up larger topic cos that's the nature of the headline item. If you think it should be branched off, then report the posts and let the mods decide. Otherwise we just rename the thread as "headlines only" and save this cycle of "stop talking about the news!!" at whatever arbitrary point selective users get tired of a subject. Or just ubsub from the thread.

    Exactly. If you want the news only there are literally outlets like Rock Paper Shotgun, PC Gamer, Giant Bomb etc. It's on a message board to be discussed, Blizzcon is barely over.


  • #33
    Dohnjoe
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    PostWoke wrote: »
    Plenty of people have the spine out there to say 'no thanks'.

    But they aren't saying "no thanks". They are clicking an upvote or writing a negative comment, but when it comes down to it they are opening their wallet to that company.

    It's this

    18j48weujcgewjpg.jpg


  • #34
    johnny_ultimate
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    It's extremely hard to be an ethical consumer in so many ways, given average incomes and situations. Most of the clothes we buy are produced in ways that depend on massive inequality. Most of the food we eat is produced in unsustainable ways. The holidays we take feed the destruction of the planet. But with modern living you have to go out of your way - often at significant expense or inconvenience - to fight against all that, and that's not realistic for a lot of people.

    With games, it's easy enough to be as ethical as you want to be (once you get past the need for physical hardware). A game is an optional luxury, so it's easy to skip over a game for whatever reason. Equally, it's easier to just give in and buy a game because it's such a simple and largely inconsequential thing to do. Especially when it feels like your individual boycott won't make any difference.

    I guess it's just up to every individual to make up their own mind where they draw the line, even if it would be nice to see organised and mass action in cases where it's justified (still laugh at the Modern Warfare 2 boycott group back in the day). I have ethical lines that feed into determining what games I buy / won't buy, and I'm sure they're radically different to others' lines.

    Even if there aren't any long-lasting commercial consequences, I would strongly push back against any suggestion that issues like the Blizzard / Hong Kong situation are unimportant. It's massively important to be aware of what corporations are up to, especially when it comes to their dealings with an authoritarian state power. They've deserved and invited the scrutiny and criticism they've gotten over the past few weeks. If the announcement of Diablo 4 was more important for you than the HK controversy, that's fine - that's your line! But a lot of people do care about this stuff, and I for one have been very appreciative of the company being held to account over it (even if their ultimate response to the criticism was IMO woefully, shamefully inadequate).


  • #35
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Initial reaction to Jay Allen Brack's keynot apology were luke warm. Blizzard were very smart from then on in how they handled it and went as far as getting a charasmatic streaming partnership to host the Q&A, they managed to turn around a protest incident and make it look like Blizz were supportive.

    As someone who plays the games and is involved within the community i can tell you that for the most part the core players will keep playing and i have even see posts online asking how people can recover accounts.


  • #36
    EoinHef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭EoinHef


    Gaming is not unique,capitalism is the system that we have all adopted.

    Depending on individuals to have morals is just to hopeful imo.

    That system needs to change or we are where we are. I wonder what people 200 years from now will think of how things currently work.

    I mean theres impoverished/disadvantaged people all over the world but theres others who have more money than multiple generations of their family could spend.

    People work for comapnies,companies dont work for people.


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  • #37
    [Deleted User]
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    If I'm being honest, I've ignored this controversy to the degree that I'm not sure what blizzard has done. I clocked it as "e-sports/YouTube" drama and my brain said ignore. As of boycotting... I've seen gamers lose their **** time and time again that I've become jaded.


  • #38
    Shiminay
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 28,633 Mod ✭✭✭✭Shiminay


    And therein lies the rub... Apathy instead of empathy.


  • #39
    Gbear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Diablo 2 is one of my favorite games, so I'm generally positively inclined towards the series, and even found D3 to be decent for a short while.

    That said, I don't have much trust in Blizzard's ability to deliver anymore. I don't think poor business practices and poor quality products are necessarily unrelated.

    Someone mentioned EA still having pretty consistent performance despite its reputation, but while you could grant that their version of the big mac is still doing well in FIFA, you can see other projects like Anthem and Mass Effect that have withered and died.

    Blizzard could well be able to milk existing IPs for a while longer, but I think it would be a mistake to assume they can run the company in such a way that largely holds its customers in contempt and still continue to thrive.

    It's too big to expect a dramatic collapse, but I'll be surprised if D4 sells as well as D3.


  • #40
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Gbear wrote: »
    It's too big to expect a dramatic collapse, but I'll be surprised if D4 sells as well as D3.

    We shall see, the one thing with blizzard is they really dial into the fandom. For the most part blizzard fans have shown that they are super devoted to the brand.

    It has to do allot more than the current controversies to be anyway damaged.


  • #41
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Overshadowing all the Overwatch 2 hype is that the game probably won't be out for another year or 2.


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  • #42
    Calhoun
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    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    Overshadowing all the Overwatch 2 hype is that the game probably won't be out for another year or 2.

    Indeed however its interesting to see that they have had a plan all along to pull it all together.

    Hopefully they put the polish on it and release it in a right manner. The right beta testing will build up hype.


  • #43
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Calhoun wrote: »
    Indeed however its interesting to see that they have had a plan all along to pull it all together.

    Hopefully they put the polish on it and release it in a right manner. The right beta testing will build up hype.

    Can't be that hard to reskin Dr Junkenstein.


  • #44
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    Can't be that hard to reskin Dr Junkenstein.

    If you look at the character models there doesn't look to have been a huge change in them but what do i know. I would say that they have had allot of the dev teams on mobile ports up until recently.

    I'd say blizzard are re-evaluating the china play now with the new gaming rules in place spend if going to be allot more limited than they first thought.


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    Canis Lupus
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    Calhoun wrote: »
    If you look at the character models there doesn't look to have been a huge change in them but what do i know. I would say that they have had allot of the dev teams on mobile ports up until recently.

    I'd say blizzard are re-evaluating the china play now with the new gaming rules in place spend if going to be allot more limited than they first thought.

    I was just being sarcastic over what I think the single player experience will be like :P


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    Calhoun
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    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    I was just being sarcastic over what I think the single player experience will be like :P


    Lol i know but i think you make a valid question on why its taking so long. I don't have any idea how complicated what they are doing is. I do know they always go for super polish so that will come into play but i also think the other stuff has been distracting them.

    Apologies reading back it looks like i was being dismissive.


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