Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

iamwhoiam · 29-10-2019 03:51PM

xalot wrote: »

Here's the full victim impact statement, it's just so sad

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/life-without-ana-is-no-longer-a-life-full-text-of-geraldine-kri%C3%A9gel-s-victim-impact-statement-1.4065876

Oh thats so sad and heartbreaking . God love them . RIP Ana

DellyBelly · 29-10-2019 03:51PM

Hal3000 wrote: »

Awful. And what’s going to be even worse is the pathetic sentence they’ll most likely get.

I'm hoping you may be pleasantly suprised on the sentence for Boy A but I think Boy B will get a very light sentence. I'm expecting at least 10 years for A

jmayo · 29-10-2019 03:57PM

DellyBelly wrote: »

I'm hoping you may be pleasantly suprised on the sentence for Boy A but I think Boy B will get a very light sentence. I'm expecting at least 10 years for A

The fooking pr**ks should never see the light of day.

pjohnson · 29-10-2019 04:01PM

Masterstroke wheeling out the doddery auld grandfather to sing his praises. Get the violins of sympathy going. Throwing in the bonus "suicidal tendencies"

Making a mockery of the woeful justice system.

Be right back · 29-10-2019 04:04PM

KaneToad wrote: »

That would be a little unfair, no? Don't want to give them any avenue for legal challenge...

It's a pity we don't have American type sentencing here.

iamwhoiam · 29-10-2019 04:04PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Masterstroke wheeling out the doddery auld grandfather to sing his praises. Get the violins of sympathy going.

Making a mockery of the woeful justice system.

I am by no means being sympathetic to either boy but that grandfather has been in court with Boy A from his very first appearance . He is in all fairness not doddery , he is a grandfather but that doesn’t make him doddery . I am a grandmother but far from doddery .

Suckit · 29-10-2019 04:09PM

xalot wrote: »

Here's the full victim impact statement, it's just so sad

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/life-without-ana-is-no-longer-a-life-full-text-of-geraldine-kri%C3%A9gel-s-victim-impact-statement-1.4065876

That has me in public very close to tears. I had to read something else immediately.
I can't even begin to understand how they must feel, and I hope I never will.
I hadn't realised that her birth family were in contact.
I hope that the two of them get a lot more than 10 years. 20 years would not be near enough.
Two thirty something scrotes inflicted on society.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/boy-a-admits-at-sentence-hearing-to-causing-ana-kriegels-death-denies-sexual-assault-960379.html

pjohnson · 29-10-2019 04:09PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I am by no means being sympathetic to either boy but that grandfather has been in court with Boy A from his very first appearance . He is in all fairness not doddery , he is a grandfather but that doesn’t make him doddery . I am a grandmother but far from doddery .

Would you describe a grandchild convicted of sexual assault and murder as "kind and loving"?

The way he describes his grandson seems to indicate he is missing quite a few screws and is badly disconnected from reality.

Suckit · 29-10-2019 04:14PM

DellyBelly wrote: »

I'm hoping you may be pleasantly suprised on the sentence for Boy A but I think Boy B will get a very light sentence. I'm expecting at least 10 years for A

You think 10 years would be a decent sentence?
Nowhere near in my opinion.
10 years would be nothing and would surely (hopefully) create some sort of public outcry.

Gadgetman496 · 29-10-2019 04:18PM

It would be best if both were simply terminated.

Suckit · 29-10-2019 04:21PM

Earlier, the court heard that Boy A has told staff at Oberstown detention centre that he killed Ana, but does not accept that he sexually assaulted her.

In a report taken at Oberstown by healthcare professionals since his conviction, Boy A said that he understands that he caused Ana’s death.

Prosecution counsel Brendan Grehan told the court that in the report, Boy A describes how he used a headlock, a chokehold, hit Ana with a stick and ultimately with a block.

I am winding myself up reading this. The Grandfather must have known that boy A admitted that before he read his statement.
If he had any decency he should have only expressed remorse for Ana and sat back down.

iamwhoiam · 29-10-2019 04:24PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Would you describe a grandchild convicted of sexual assault and murder as "kind and loving"?

The way he describes his grandson seems to indicate he is missing quite a few screws and is badly disconnected from reality.

No I wouldn’t . My point was he is not doddery simply by being a grandfather . He might be very blind to his grandchilds discusting behaviour but that not doddery its plain stupid . I just hate the word doddery just because someone is older
Nor was he “ wheeled out “ , he was there from day 1 in court . Personally I think he should have shut his mouth and simply shown respect to Anas family as he knew the horrors of his grandsons behaviour .

Doctors room ghost · 29-10-2019 04:33PM

If there was a proper justice system them 2 would never see the light of day again.
Either lock them up for life and work them every day until they die or else save the tax payer the cost and bring back the death penalty.

is_that_so · 29-10-2019 04:36PM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

If there was a proper justice system them 2 would never see the light of day again.
Either lock them up for life and work them every day until they die or else save the tax payer the cost and bring back the death penalty.

It's not allowed with minors. Even detention is seen as a last resort but they can probably expect time in the Big House once their junior cycle is up.

padd b1975 · 29-10-2019 04:37PM

xalot wrote: »

Here's the full victim impact statement, it's just so sad

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/life-without-ana-is-no-longer-a-life-full-text-of-geraldine-kri%C3%A9gel-s-victim-impact-statement-1.4065876

Jesus.

I'd consider myself fairly emotionless, but that's heartbreaking.

retro:electro · 29-10-2019 04:38PM

Absolutely beautiful and touching words by Ana’s parents in their statement. I cannot even imagine their sadness and trauma, but their heartbreak was palpable. I defy anyone not to tear up when hearing it. A beautiful girl who has left such a massive void in the lives of those who loved her more than anything and would give anything to have her back.
Not even going to mention the two evils.

tayto lover · 29-10-2019 04:40PM

It seems that they will be sentenced next Tuesday 5th November.
If the Judge listens to the harrowing Victim Impact Statement and takes into account the not guilty plea of the boys then he simply has to dish out a fitting sentence. Ten years is not fitting imo. Fifteen to twenty at least.

pjohnson · 29-10-2019 04:41PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

No I wouldn’t . My point was he is not doddery simply by being a grandfather . He might be very blind to his grandchilds discusting behaviour but that not doddery its plain stupid . I just hate the word doddery just because someone is older

I didnt call him doddery just due to age, I called him doddery due to his age combined with his ramblings.

Old people can be smarter and more alert than people a quarter their age. This one clearly is quite dull.

splinter65 · 29-10-2019 04:44PM

I see boy b has been abandoned now by his father who was defended here for weeks by one persistent poster as the greatest parent of all time.

iamwhoiam · 29-10-2019 04:59PM

pjohnson wrote: »

I didnt call him doddery just due to age, I called him doddery due to his age combined with his ramblings.

Old people can be smarter and more alert than people a quarter their age. This one clearly is quite dull.

What age is he ? For all we know he could be in his 50’s . In my opinion the word doddery has no place in describing him . But thats for another thread I guess

Suckit · 29-10-2019 05:03PM

pjohnson wrote: »

I didnt call him doddery just due to age, I called him doddery due to his age combined with his ramblings.

Old people can be smarter and more alert than people a quarter their age. This one clearly is quite dull.

I have a spare shovel here if you are looking..

Hal3000 · 29-10-2019 05:05PM

tayto lover wrote: »

It seems that they will be sentenced next Tuesday 5th November.
If the Judge listens to the harrowing Victim Impact Statement and takes into account the not guilty plea of the boys then he simply has to dish out a fitting sentence. Ten years is not fitting imo. Fifteen to twenty at least.

Won’t happen in Ireland, be prepared to be outraged.

danger mouse · 29-10-2019 05:08PM

Be right back wrote: »

It's a pity we don't have American type sentencing here.

The US justice system can be a little extreme in many cases. But I agree in this case some American style justice would have been nice. Boy A would have definitely never seen the light of day again and Boy B would have been a very old man when he had freedom.

A similar case of violence against a young girl and she didn't even die and one of the kids will never see freedom.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/09/second-teen-sentenced-in-plot-that-left-girl-shot-in-head/

thecretinhop · 29-10-2019 05:11PM

Yeah but that can be a little extreme sometimes

what did they do to the poor girl was that a little extreme???

danger mouse · 29-10-2019 05:14PM

thecretinhop wrote: »

Yeah but that can be a little extreme sometimes

what did they do to the poor girl was that a little extreme???

Sorry I mean the US justice system can be extreme, Two different thoughts I should have separated them better.

Mebuntu · 29-10-2019 05:22PM

Anyone who can read that victim impact statement and not be upset must be made of stone.

When I hear talk that these two will remain anonymous for life and that their "dignity" will be respected I despair.

These evil, vile scumbags should experience Hell on Earth for what they did..........for as long as their rancid flesh is alive. Anything less is an insult to Ana and her family.

tuxy · 29-10-2019 05:29PM

Why are some posters here still living in some kind of fantasy land just so they can be even more outraged when the judge gives out the actual sentence.

He can not give them 20,15 or even 10 year.
We don't know that the judge will give a life sentence to them, I pray he does.
If he does he can recommend that it does not come up for review for 10 - 12 years. Anything else will be appealed and probably successfully so.
This case makes me extremely angry and sad too but I try not to make it cause me to lose touch with the reality of the law of the country we live in.
If you are unhappy with that then I hope we have a GE soon so people can vote in politicians that can make changes.

Hal3000 · 29-10-2019 05:30PM

Mebuntu wrote: »

Anyone who can read that victim impact statement and not be upset must be made of stone.

When I hear talk that these two will remain anonymous for life and that their "dignity" will be respected I despair.

These evil, vile scumbags should experience Hell on Earth for what they did..........for as long as their rancid flesh is alive. Anything less is an insult to Ana and her family.

Be ready to be outraged when you see the sentence. Just remember we live in a system that jails garlic importers for 6 years and let’s people who view child abuse material walk free with suspended sentences. Our minister is not concerned with protecting our children and I imagine this case will be no different.

The people here who used to defend the justice system are gone because even they know how bad things have gotten in Ireland.

RoryMac · 29-10-2019 05:31PM

xalot wrote: »

Here's the full victim impact statement, it's just so sad

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/life-without-ana-is-no-longer-a-life-full-text-of-geraldine-kri%C3%A9gel-s-victim-impact-statement-1.4065876

Jesus that's a tough read, the torture her parents and friends are living with each day is something nobody should have to deal with.

ChikiChiki · 29-10-2019 05:33PM

That victim impact statement would break a heart of stone :-(

God love them. Unimaginable.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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