39 people found dead in trailer in UK

Galwayguy35 · 27-10-2019 11:42AM

Seems a bit odd that he would have stopped to check the load after driving for half an hour or so and not done it at the port before he set off, also read that it was at or near a junction he stopped so that would have been a strange place to pull up.

There is a war of words going on over on his IG account between people who want to see him hung for this and those who blindly support him.

Calypso Realm · 27-10-2019 11:44AM

1641 wrote: »

Anyway, they seem to have other evidence, given the multiple charges. Not looking good.

Indeed.

Actually I'm interested to know how Mo R pleads at Magistrates Court tomorrow.

Damien360 · 27-10-2019 11:46AM

Calypso Realm wrote: »

Indeed.

Actually I'm interested to know how Mo R pleads at Magistrates Court tomorrow.

If his solicitor has any brains then it’s not guilty.

armaghlad · 27-10-2019 11:52AM

zurbfoundation wrote: »

Obviously provos have a new revenue stream since the shinners cant be seen to be knocking off banks anymore

Aye Mo Robinson is your stereotypical provo, friends with Willie Fraser on Facebook and holding an NI flag

FrancieBrady · 27-10-2019 11:55AM

Damien360 wrote: »

If his solicitor has any brains then it’s not guilty.

The 'money laundering' charge would be the key one for me. He was obviously either found with unaccounted for cash, it was found in his house or his banking records are showing something.

anewme · 27-10-2019 11:59AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Seems a bit odd that he would have stopped to check the load after driving for half an hour or so and not done it at the port before he set off, also read that it was at or near a junction he stopped so that would have been a strange place to pull up.

There is a war of words going on over on his IG account between people who want to see him hung for this and those who blindly support him.

I've just read the IG account and it is very clear that it's one side or the other.

I had originally thought he was innocent, but now I am very unsure. The lure of easy money is too much for some and personal integrity gets compromised.

One person has raised a valid point.

The people who decided for whatever reason (and their families who raised the money) for them to undertake this "journey" have also contributed to what happened. They must have been aware how risky it was, as well as illegal. You can say maybe desperate people will try desperate measures for a better life.

The big players in this should go down for a long time. Getting rich on the back of other peoples misery.

Galwayguy35 · 27-10-2019 12:13PM

anewme wrote: »

I've just read the IG account and it is very clear that it's one side or the other.

I had originally thought he was innocent, but now I am very unsure. The lure of easy money is too much for some and personal integrity gets compromised.

One person has raised a valid point.

The people who decided for whatever reason (and their families who raised the money) for them to undertake this "journey" have also contributed to what happened. They must have been aware how risky it was, as well as illegal. You can say maybe desperate people will try desperate measures for a better life.

The big players in this should go down for a long time. Getting rich on the back of other peoples misery.

Yeah I thought at the start as well that he was just a guy who picked up the trailer and had no clue as to what was going on but I'm beginning to think different now.

I read that post on the account about the people who raise the money for someone to make journeys like this illegally and it's a valid point.

I think they seem to think Britain is the land of milk and honey where everyone can become successful and the traffickers exploit this belief.

27-10-2019 12:19PM

anewme wrote: »

One person has raised a valid point.

The people who decided for whatever reason (and their families who raised the money) for them to undertake this "journey" have also contributed to what happened. They must have been aware how risky it was, as well as illegal. You can say maybe desperate people will try desperate measures for a better life.

The big players in this should go down for a long time. Getting rich on the back of other peoples misery.

I recognise that shocked associates havd a natural tendency to protect someone they know but I wouldn't go too far on this one.

Plenty ot times we have people saying others have "contributed to what happened". Sometimes there is a grain of truth in it and sometimes there is none at all, eg, when there is a gangland murder we can say that that the recreational drug user "contributes" to it - but at they same time they are not responsible. It in no mitigates the reponsibility of the killers.

If those charged, or being held for questioning, are involved in this then they deserve what is coming to them.

FrancieBrady · 27-10-2019 12:24PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yeah I thought at the start as well that he was just a guy who picked up the trailer and had no clue as to what was going on but I'm beginning to think different now.

I read that post on the account about the people who raise the money for someone to make journeys like this illegally and it's a valid point.

I think they seem to think Britain is the land of milk and honey where everyone can become successful and the traffickers exploit this belief.

And greedy employers. The most effective way to get the message back to the places these people are coming from is to get those who make it to send back the message that there is no work, no land of milk and honey. As long as there is work this will continue. And it will get worse (the exploitation by greedy people) if Brexit happens.

Peter File · 27-10-2019 12:29PM

If found guilty they will face substantially longer prison sentences in the U.K compared to soft sentences imposed here.

27-10-2019 12:31PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And greedy employers. The most effective way to get the message back to the places these people are coming from is to get those who make it to send back the message that there is no work, no land of milk and honey. As long as there is work this will continue. And it will get worse (the exploitation by greedy people) if Brexit happens.

Someone earlier referenced the BBC Country programme. Last week one apple farmer was bemoaning the lack of cheap labour leading to him having to leave apples to rot. He was too tight to pay a decent wage.
I doubt that those at the top will be brought to justice. We can only hope that it makes big news in the victim’s home countries and will act as a deterrent to others.

May they Rest In Peace.

Silent Running · 27-10-2019 12:31PM

Is it possible that he was supposed to turn the feerer off as soon as he left the port, but forgot, then stopped when he realised his mistake? On checking his cargo he found them frozen to death.

RandomName2 · 27-10-2019 12:32PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There were reports that they flew into Europe somewhere.

Wow, if that's the case, why not just fly straight into the UK? Or even just stay where they were, where they'd arrived in Europe (Europe is all first world). To be honest I'd say that life would be better if you are Vietnamese or Chinese to live in Vietnam or China instead of becoming an illegal in the UK.

There are definitely very poor regions in rural areas in both these countries, but moving to large urban areas should be safer, easier, and more profitable than anything involving getting locked in a refrigerated lorry. What exactly did England offer that Ho Chi Minh City or Chongqing could not? Or at least, what did they think they could offer?

27-10-2019 12:33PM

Lots of things are possible but the reporting suggests the trailer was delayed and the people had suffocated before they arrived in the UK.

easypazz · 27-10-2019 12:37PM

Silent Running wrote: »

Is it possible that he was supposed to turn the feerer off as soon as he left the port, but forgot, then stopped when he realised his mistake? On checking his cargo he found them frozen to death.

Id think if had been left switched on before and during the crossing the damage would have been. Lack of air seems to have been the cause, from what I have read.

27-10-2019 12:37PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Wow, if that's the case, why not just fly straight into the UK? Or even just stay where they were, where they'd arrived in Europe (Europe is all first world). To be honest I'd say that life would be better if you are Vietnamese or Chinese to live in Vietnam or China instead of becoming an illegal in the UK.

There are definitely very poor regions in rural areas in both these countries, but moving to large urban areas should be safer, easier, and more profitable than anything involving getting locked in a refrigerated lorry. What exactly did England offer that Ho Chi Minh City or Chongqing could not? Or at least, what did they think they could offer?

They would need but probably wouldn't get a visa to fly direct.

https://www.gov.uk/check-uk-visa/y/vietnam/tourism/no

You’ll need a visa to come to the UK
What’s your nationality as shown on your passport or travel document? Vietnam
What are you coming to the UK to do? Tourism
Will you be travelling with or visiting either your partner or a family member in the UK? No

easypazz · 27-10-2019 12:41PM

armaghlad wrote: »

Aye Mo Robinson is your stereotypical provo, friends with Willie Fraser on Facebook and holding an NI flag

Most of the provos were british spys paid by the queen, when it comes to making more these gangs will enlist anybody.

27-10-2019 12:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Someone earlier referenced the BBC Country programme. Last week one apple farmer was bemoaning the lack of cheap labour leading to him having to leave apples to rot. He was too tight to pay a decent wage.

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I didn't see the programme but this sounds a tad simplistic. I suspect that the farmer was " too tight" to pay a decent wage because he knew he would be left with no margin when his crop was supplied to the Supermarket.

We buy most of our fruit and veg in the Supermarket now and, for the consumer, price is king. If there are cheaper fruit and veg options we go for them, irrespective of where they come from. So the local farmer goes out of business.

We might as well say the consumer (you and me) is "too tight" as the farmer.

armaghlad · 27-10-2019 12:45PM

easypazz wrote: »

Most of the provos were british spys paid by the queen, when it comes to making more these gangs will enlist anybody.

I know west Brits can’t help themselves but I think this goes beyond any one particular paramilitary grouping.

amadangomor · 27-10-2019 12:51PM

partyguinness wrote: »

He didnt own the truck so it is not his own personalised 'decor'. But I would like to see the link where is it shows a youngish lad like that from Armagh of all places linked to the UVF.

You do know that North Armagh is a loyalist hotbed?

Galwayguy35 · 27-10-2019 12:56PM

The cops have seized some cars from the home of the truck owner Thomas Maher, not sure why they would take them though.

ChikiChiki · 27-10-2019 01:00PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Am I the only one that finds it mildly convenient that in the lead up to the Brexit deadline, and the DUP scuttling Boris' latest deal, that a big deal is being made about him being Irish/Northern Irish?

The event is a coincidence but still the British Govt and media will use it to their full advantage in the context of Brexit.

You can be sure of that.

FrancieBrady · 27-10-2019 01:05PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

The event is a coincidence but still the British Govt and media will use it to their full advantage in the context of Brexit.

You can be sure of that.

This is getting silly now.

How are they going to 'use' it?

It just happened to be an Irish truck driver using flaws in Britains own borders to get these people in.

Brexit will not affect that.

John_Rambo · 27-10-2019 01:06PM

Aegir wrote: »

the poor souls could have been come through one of the direct ferries from France.

There is a very good chance the driver had no idea what was inside.

terrible tragedy.

Very unlikely he's not up to her s neck in people trafficking.

27-10-2019 01:18PM

A report in one of the papers today that the area of Vietnam, where most of those identified originate, is one of the poorest in the country with a very high migration rate.

Also, that a 2013 Sunday Times investigation found that young Vietnamese girls were been lured to the UK by promise of high wages in Vietnamese nail bars (which apparently have a very high reputation for high service and low cost). However, when the arrived they were forced to work in the nail bars by day and as prostitutes by night.

A different report that the annual value of the worldwide human trafficking "business" is estimated at $150 billion.

27-10-2019 01:22PM

1641 wrote: »

A report in one of the papers today that the area of Vietnam, where most of those identified originate, is one of the poorest in the country with a very high migration rate.

Also, that a 2013 Sunday Times investigation found that young Vietnamese girls were been lured to the UK by promise of high wages in Vietnamese nail bars (which apparently have a very high reputation for high service and low cost). However, when the arrived they were forced to work in the nail bars by day and as prostitutes by night.

A different report that the annual value of the worldwide human trafficking "business" is estimated at $150 billion.

It’s also been reported that some were on their way to join relatives already living in the Uk illegally. They are afraid to report their relatives disappearance because of this.

easypazz · 27-10-2019 01:33PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

The event is a coincidence but still the British Govt and media will use it to their full advantage in the context of Brexit.

You can be sure of that.

It looks like an Irish gang were hired to smuggle a cargo from A to B.

Above the irish gang somebody else is pulling the strings.

8-10 · 27-10-2019 01:39PM

Silent Running wrote: »

Is it possible that he was supposed to turn the feerer off as soon as he left the port, but forgot, then stopped when he realised his mistake? On checking his cargo he found them frozen to death.

I think it was the driver who dropped them off before the crossing might have been the one to leave it on.

Theory being that he would have had to drop the temperature before it got heat scanned then would have put it back to a more normal, survivable, level before it got loaded on.

The fact that they were found naked or near naked suggests they probably died of hypothermia. If they had the unit at -25C for the duration if the crossing, including any delays, when the driver in Essex opened it it would have been too late. Stories in the UK media of bloodied handprints on the inside of the truck are heartbreaking. Poor people had no chance

CSWS101 · 27-10-2019 02:08PM

8-10 wrote: »

I think it was the driver who dropped them off before the crossing might have been the one to leave it on.

Theory being that he would have had to drop the temperature before it got heat scanned then would have put it back to a more normal, survivable, level before it got loaded on.

The fact that they were found naked or near naked suggests they probably died of hypothermia. If they had the unit at -25C for the duration if the crossing, including any delays, when the driver in Essex opened it it would have been too late. Stories in the UK media of bloodied handprints on the inside of the truck are heartbreaking. Poor people had no chance

Where does it say they were found naked? I can't see the driver forgetting to turn off the freezer, just doesn't seem plausible given he knows there are 39 people in the refrigerated trailer. The texts released in the press where one claims she is struggling to breath pretty much confirms to me they died via lack of oxygen.

Limpy · 27-10-2019 02:15PM

The UK government should offer an amnesty to someone who took the same route. Give them residency rights for all the information they can give about how, who and what they know.

Someone in the various trafficking support groups could put the feelers out .

39 people found dead in trailer in UK

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