Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Road-Hog · 17-09-2019 05:01PM

corpusvile wrote: »

I don't think that would be possible legally as there needs to be a public record of such things.

Mere initials as already said are hardly much good in identifying the true identity of the ‘animals’ in this case.....in the Lucan area I’m sure there would be 100’s of individuals that would share the same initials.

salmocab · 17-09-2019 05:05PM

Road-Hog wrote: »

Mere initials as already said are hardly much good in identifying the true identity of the ‘animals’ in this case.....in the Lucan area I’m sure there would be 100’s of individuals that would share the same initials.

I’m sure in the local area people are well aware who they are. I’m sure people could find out if they really wanted to but there’s no point the information is no good to anyone really.

corpusvile · 19-09-2019 08:30AM

Road-Hog wrote: »

Mere initials as already said are hardly much good in identifying the true identity of the ‘animals’ in this case.....in the Lucan area I’m sure there would be 100’s of individuals that would share the same initials.

Well the "true"identity doesn't need to be released but one can't be convicted of murder under an alias. I'm sure they were referred to by name in court & the initials on the court site would have needed to be correct I reckon, even if they're not identified by their full names.

Moonymoon00 · 30-09-2019 08:47PM

Any word on the sentencing ?

Hal3000 · 30-09-2019 08:51PM

Moonymoon00 wrote: »

Any word on the sentencing ?

Doubt we will hear anything. This is Ireland...

tuxy · 30-09-2019 09:09PM

Hal3000 wrote: »

Doubt we will hear anything. This is Ireland...

Are you saying it won't be listed on courts.ie? Very unusual if that was the case.

sullzz · 30-09-2019 09:31PM

tuxy wrote: »

Are you saying it won't be listed on courts.ie? Very unusual if that was the case.

Sentencing adjourned until October 29 and Judge ordered that all relevant reports be made available to the legal teams by October 21.

Suckit · 01-10-2019 12:53AM

Anyone any idea what is delaying the sentencing, or why this keeps getting stretched out?
It's not as if Ana's parents haven't already been dragged through enough.
If it's a psychological profile, I am genuinely hoping that it's so the Judge can decide to lock them up longer than he has in mind, but I doubt that is the case.

tuxy · 01-10-2019 01:01AM

Suckit wrote: »

Anyone any idea what is delaying the sentencing, or why this keeps getting stretched out?
It's not as if Ana's parents haven't already been dragged through enough.
If it's a psychological profile, I am genuinely hoping that it's so the Judge can decide to lock them up longer than he has in mind, but I doubt that is the case.

As I keep saying it's not the judges decision on how long they get in total. Murder is normally a mandatory life sentence with a recommendation of when it should be passed to the parol board.In the case of minors a life sentence is not mandatory. I would hope the judge is planning on giving a life sentence and he may be taking the time to ensure that he has done everything in his power that would leave the defence with no possible grounds for appeal.
The fact that there is no talk of appeal of the verdict is a good sign and if done correctly it will be the same for the sentencing.
An appeal would be even worse for her parents than a delay in sentencing.

Road-Hog · 18-10-2019 05:35AM

tuxy wrote: »

As I keep saying it's not the judges decision on how long they get in total. Murder is normally a mandatory life sentence with a recommendation of when it should be passed to the parol board.In the case of minors a life sentence is not mandatory. I would hope the judge is planning on giving a life sentence and he may be taking the time to ensure that he has done everything in his power that would leave the defence with no possible grounds for appeal.
The fact that there is no talk of appeal of the verdict is a good sign and if done correctly it will be the same for the sentencing.
An appeal would be even worse for her parents than a delay in sentencing.

An appeal would be great though for gentleman like mr. gageby et al......giving them an opportunity to fine tune their skills and reputations......!

Thoie · 25-10-2019 02:36PM

Sentencing hearing to take place next Tuesday:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/judge-receives-psychological-reports-on-boys-convicted-of-ana-kriegel-s-murder-1.4062680

iamwhoiam · 25-10-2019 04:43PM

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/judge-restricts-media-access-to-sentencing-hearing-for-ana-kriegels-killers-959799.html

He said he decided to restrict the number of media in court based on his concern, "for the health, welfare and best interests of these children who face the most significant determination to be made in their lives".

He said the boys are under "enormous pressure" and restricting the number of journalists is necessary to ensure that the environment in court creates the "least interference to their dignity and welfare".

Is he for real ? Not a mention of the toll on Anas family or the trauma they live daily

gozunda · 25-10-2019 05:06PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

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Is he for real ? Not a mention of the toll on Anas family or the trauma they live daily

He did - another account here

Mr Justice McDermott said that during the course of the trial and following the conviction it was clear to him from his own observations and what happened in the trial that the proceedings were taking a considerable toll on the Kriégel family, the accused boys' families and the physical and mental well being of the two boys.

He said he had requested that no more than five members of the media be in court to maximise the least possible interference with the boys' right to dignity, health and bodily integrity.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/1025/1085664-kriegel-courts/

I acknowledge the judge has at least to be seen to be fair but I do hope he is at least making a point with the bolded bit.. There was feck all "dignity, health and bodily integrity" shown to Ana by these two scotes - may they rot in hell ...

McCrack · 25-10-2019 05:08PM

He's right not to let it turn into a media circus

A victim impact statement will be given by or on behalf of Ana's family

salmocab · 25-10-2019 05:15PM

McCrack wrote: »

He's right not to let it turn into a media circus

A victim impact statement will be given by or on behalf of Ana's family

As there’s no identifying them anyway we’re really only going to hear the words spoken and some of the people involved reactions. Not sure having half the hacks in the country there will give us much more info.

iamwhoiam · 25-10-2019 05:17PM

McCrack wrote: »

He's right not to let it turn into a media circus

A victim impact statement will be given by or on behalf of Ana's family

Maybe he is right but it galls to read that it is preserve the dignity of two murderers
In my opinion they lost their dignity all by themselves

Gatling · 25-10-2019 05:24PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Maybe he is right but it galls to read that it is preserve the dignity of two murderers
In my opinion they lost their dignity all by themselves

I hope that the ****heads don't get to edit the victim impact statement at all

McCrack · 25-10-2019 05:32PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Maybe he is right but it galls to read that it is preserve the dignity of two murderers
In my opinion they lost their dignity all by themselves

It's a balancing act, a very fine one and not an easy one by any stretch

What you're reading of course is selected and it's easy to draw the wrong conclusion or inference when read in isolation of what the judge is actually saying

iamwhoiam · 25-10-2019 05:39PM

McCrack wrote: »

It's a balancing act, a very fine one and not an easy one by any stretch

What you're reading of course is selected and it's easy to draw the wrong conclusion or inference when read in isolation of what the judge is actually saying

Then I would like to hear exactly what he did say . Have you read it in full ?

forumdedum · 25-10-2019 10:36PM

Judge is trying to avoid giving any opportunity for the guilty to appeal because of the way they were treated in court. imo.

abff · 26-10-2019 09:46AM

forumdedum wrote: »

Judge is trying to avoid giving any opportunity for the guilty to appeal because of the way they were treated in court. imo.

I think you're probably right, but it's still hard to take the level of consideration that is being expressed for those two *******s.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 26-10-2019 09:50AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Maybe he is right but it galls to read that it is preserve the dignity of two murderers
In my opinion they lost their dignity all by themselves

It think it's more to protect the families of the boys in question. The kids themselves are presumably going to be locked away for a while anyway.

iamwhoiam · 26-10-2019 09:58AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

It think it's more to protect the families of the boys in question. The kids themselves are presumably going to be locked away for a while anyway.

This is what the judge said , I take that to be about the two boys .Im my opinion any decision made should in the first instance be to protect the dignity of Ana Kriegel and her family .

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/judge-restricts-media-access-to-sentencing-hearing-for-ana-kriegels-killers-959799.html

He said he decided to restrict the number of media in court based on his concern, "for the health, welfare and best interests of these children who face the most significant determination to be made in their lives".

He said the boys are under "enormous pressure" and restricting the number of journalists is necessary to ensure that the environment in court creates the "least interference to their dignity and welfare".

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 26-10-2019 10:04AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

This is what the judge said , I take that to be about the two boys .Im my opinion any decision made should in the first instance be to protect the dignity of Ana Kriegel and her family .

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/judge-restricts-media-access-to-sentencing-hearing-for-ana-kriegels-killers-959799.html

He said he decided to restrict the number of media in court based on his concern, "for the health, welfare and best interests of these children who face the most significant determination to be made in their lives".

He said the boys are under "enormous pressure" and restricting the number of journalists is necessary to ensure that the environment in court creates the "least interference to their dignity and welfare".

Ah ok then.

As I said, for the next few decades, one would hope that they'd be in secure places anyway.

suicide_circus · 26-10-2019 10:05AM

is anyone aware of the legal precedent in Ireland for sentencing in cases like this? ie: murder committed by a child?

iamwhoiam · 26-10-2019 10:12AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Ah ok then.

As I said, for the next few decades, one would hope that they'd be in secure places anyway.

We can only hope , I am not convinced they will serve long sentences to be honest .Its all about them being " children " .

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 26-10-2019 10:16AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

We can only hope , I am not convinced they will serve long sentences to be honest .Its all about them being " children " .

They are, by definition, still children - it's the flip-side of having laws to protect minors.

I'm not condoning anything here, by the way - I don't see why a mandatory 20-year-minimum life-sentence shouldn't be imposed at the very least in this case - they knew what they were doing. And no release until full psychological evaluation even after that.

salmocab · 26-10-2019 10:38AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

They are, by definition, still children - it's the flip-side of having laws to protect minors.

I'm not condoning anything here, by the way - I don't see why a mandatory 20-year-minimum life-sentence shouldn't be imposed at the very least in this case - they knew what they were doing. And no release until full psychological evaluation even after that.

Not sure mandatorily 20 years is a thing here, is it not just life. Then getting out is up to minister of justice of the day

Tin Foil Hat · 26-10-2019 01:38PM

Everything I've heard from the judge leads me to believe he's going to be very lenient. Boy B will be out in time for college. Boy A will be out by 21.

tuxy · 26-10-2019 02:06PM

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Everything I've heard from the judge leads me to believe he's going to be very lenient. Boy B will be out in time for college. Boy A will be out by 21.

Again, I ask. What do you think the judge will do that will have such a major impact on the parole boards decisions in the future?
Unless you think the judge won't even give boy B a life sentence. Is that what you are saying?

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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