39 people found dead in trailer in UK

prunudo · 24-10-2019 12:40PM

Why is it still being called a container, its a fridge/freezer trailer. How can you take any of the reporting at face value when they keep getting basic facts wrong.

easypazz · 24-10-2019 12:47PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

this isn't true at all. goods arriving by ferry are checked on arrival. trucks going from french ports to the UK are checked by uk customs before they even depart france.

Nonsense. If that was the case there would be checks on the border with Northern Ireland.

prunudo · 24-10-2019 12:53PM

easypazz wrote: »

Nonsense. If that was the case there would be checks on the border with Northern Ireland.

Its to do with Schengen agreement which UK and Ireland aren't in.

SEPT 23 1989 · 24-10-2019 01:04PM

buttercups88 wrote: »

Sky saying he opened the door to get paperwork and found the bodies....

I dont know a whole lot about the industry but why would paperwork be inside a sealed container

I thought any paperwork would be stuck in plastic folders on the outside

armaghlad · 24-10-2019 01:08PM

I’ve read else where suggestions that maybe the driver has done this before. Seems odd that he is still being held in custody and the searches in Markethill and Laurelvale. Also locals in Grays interviewed saying they’ve witnessed people jumping out of lorries before in the same location so maybe that’s why he stopped to “check his load”. All speculation of course on my behalf but keeping an open mind on all scenarios. He could of course could be completely innocent.

easypazz · 24-10-2019 01:13PM

prunudo wrote: »

Its to do with Schengen agreement which UK and Ireland aren't in.

That's movement of people. I was replying to a claim that movement of goods are checked on arrival. 2 different things.

BorneTobyWilde · 24-10-2019 01:25PM

Will be interesting to see if this was a daily working truck and driver, or was this his one and only load, and is this pickup something he does ones a month or week. That will tell a lot.
No one has a truck on the road to pick up a trailer once a month, and drives it from Northern Ireland to do it. Where are all his fellow truck driver contacts? How come no one is coming out to defend him, it's like he's no one to anyone in the industry. Truck drivers know truck drivers.

prunudo · 24-10-2019 01:27PM

easypazz wrote: »

That's movement of people. I was replying to a claim that movement of goods are checked on arrival. 2 different things.

Customs would and could set up a checkpoint near the border if they suspected something illegal was going. Similarly if border control at a ferry port want to check a load that is within their right. Whether they are checking paperwork is correct or if there are illegals on board thats up to them.

Cosmo Kramer · 24-10-2019 01:28PM

I think as much as people are jumping on the media for being too quick in publicising this man's details etc. they are also being too quick in terms of assuming his innocence.

There's a decent chance he was aware of what was in the unit he was carrying and had stopped at this location to release the 39 people illegally into the UK. Then found them dead and phoned the emergency services claiming he had not known they were in the unit.

Possibly he's an innocent victim in all this but it's also possible he's involved.

BorneTobyWilde · 24-10-2019 01:30PM

Do they know where the truck came from? Is that the Dublin to Holyhead link? Did the truck come from Ireland to drive to Kent to bring a trailer 30 minutes up the road, if so then that's so suspect.

prunudo · 24-10-2019 01:31PM

I'd be skeptical of his involvement. Truck is too unique and recognisable. Also why transport them in an air tight fridge.

BorneTobyWilde · 24-10-2019 01:31PM

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

I think as much as people are jumping on the media for being too quick in publicising this man's details etc. they are also being too quick in terms of assuming his innocence.

There's a decent chance he was aware of what was in the unit he was carrying and had stopped at this location to release the 39 people illegally into the UK. Then found them dead and phoned the emergency services claiming he had not known they were in the unit.

Possibly he's an innocent victim in all this but it's also possible he's involved.

No one would hire a truck and driver in NI to come over to Uk and drive to Kent to bring a trailer 10 miles up the road. Makes no sense.

armaghlad · 24-10-2019 01:38PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Will be interesting to see if this was a daily working truck and driver, or was this his one and only load, and is this pickup something he does ones a month or week. That will tell a lot.
No one has a truck on the road to pick up a trailer once a month, and drives it from Northern Ireland to do it. Where are all his fellow truck driver contacts? How come no one is coming out to defend him, it's like he's no one to anyone in the industry. Truck drivers know truck drivers.

All over Facebook there are people defending him, the tangs are all vouching for him saying how nice he is but I have yet to see anyone of them explain in detail a proper explanation of his movements. It’s all very odd

tayto lover · 24-10-2019 01:40PM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

I've read that the job was to move an 'empty' container so there would likely have been no seal. Like everything else this is just internet speculation at the minute though.

However if it was loaded as a multi drop then he might have stopped to check the positioning of the deliveries. Although I would have thought this would have been checked upon connection. Not necessarily always a seal on the load.

If he was parking up for the night and went to do a walk around the trailer I would think that he would have parked up better.

The truth will come out soon and hopefully the correct people will be charged. Although that will be little comfort to the families of those lost.

Would all trailers, especially empty ones, not be checked at ports both leaving and arriving? Seems mad if they’re not. Lack of security oversight if not too.

BorneTobyWilde · 24-10-2019 01:41PM

armaghlad wrote: »

All over Facebook there are people defending him, the tangs are all vouching for him saying how nice he is but I have yet to see anyone of them explain in detail a proper explanation of his movements. It’s all very odd

If he drove all the way down from the North, to Dublin to Holyhead all the way down through UK to Kent to move a trailer a few mile then he's either very stupid or very involved.
There was plenty of trucks in Kent to move it. His movements are vital, but didn't they already say he came from Dublin to Holyhead. Yes they thought he had trailer with him, but he didn't, seemed it was just him and the truck. Very odd.

celt262 · 24-10-2019 01:49PM

armaghlad wrote: »

All over Facebook there are people defending him, the tangs are all vouching for him saying how nice he is but I have yet to see anyone of them explain in detail a proper explanation of his movements. It’s all very odd

Yes if he had no load on the ferry over, what was he doing since Saturday.

Was the unit supposed to be in earlier but got delayed for some reason on the Belguim side and he was waiting for it to come across or was he hauling around the UK for the few days in between.

24-10-2019 01:52PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Would all trailers, especially empty ones, not be checked at ports both leaving and arriving? Seems mad if they’re not. Lack of security oversight if not too.

You are greatly underestimating the amount of these that come and go, and the resources available to police them.

hetuzozaho · 24-10-2019 01:55PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You are greatly underestimating the amount of these that come and go, and the resources available to police them.

What kind of numbers are we talking? I'm ignorant to all this but they check all our hand luggage in Dublin Airport

surely there can't be that many containers.

jimmycrackcorm · 24-10-2019 01:59PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

No one would hire a truck and driver in NI to come over to Uk and drive to Kent to bring a trailer 10 miles up the road. Makes no sense.

The trailer is owned by an Irish company. It might have been expected to offload in the UK, and then take another cargo back to Ireland.

celt262 · 24-10-2019 02:01PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The trailer is owned by an Irish company. It might have been expected to offload in the UK, and then take another cargo back to Ireland.

Yes possible but i'd imagine he could have found something to haul over. Why go over on Saturday for a load on a Wednesday morning?

Allinall · 24-10-2019 02:10PM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

What kind of numbers are we talking? I'm ignorant to all this but they check all our hand luggage in Dublin Airport surely there can't be that many containers.

According to this link https://www.dublinport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/DPC-Throughput-Statistics-Q2-2019.pdf

There were 459,762 containers/ trailers went through Dublin Port in the second quarter of 2019.

That's roughly 5,100 per day.

It would be impossible to check all those.

Customs and the guards do however use profiling to target certain containers in order to increase their chances of catching contraband, or illegal immigrants etc.

FrancieBrady · 24-10-2019 02:15PM

Interesting point made by guy from Amnesty International and the law of unintentional consequences.
His point was that pressure on the more traditional routes has led to people simply taking greater risks.
It is an issue that may never be solved.

easypazz · 24-10-2019 02:19PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Interesting point made by guy from Amnesty International and the law of unintentional consequences.
His point was that pressure on the more traditional routes has led to people simply taking greater risks.
It is an issue that may never be solved.

Yes, now that getting through Calais has been clamped down they are crossing the English channel on little inflatable boats.

BorneTobyWilde · 24-10-2019 02:20PM

Why don't Chinese people not just holiday in UK and then disappear. Seems odd to go about it this way.

buttercups88 · 24-10-2019 02:25PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If he drove all the way down from the North, to Dublin to Holyhead all the way down through UK to Kent to move a trailer a few mile then he's either very stupid or very involved.
There was plenty of trucks in Kent to move it. His movements are vital, but didn't they already say he came from Dublin to Holyhead. Yes they thought he had trailer with him, but he didn't, seemed it was just him and the truck. Very odd.

Could very well be both stupid and involved

No Bills · 24-10-2019 02:26PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The trailer is owned by an Irish company. It might have been expected to offload in the UK, and then take another cargo back to Ireland.

I believe this is the Irish company that owns the refrigerated trailer:
https://gtreurope.com/
They are in the business of renting trailers.

riemann · 24-10-2019 02:28PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Why don't Chinese people not just holiday in UK and then disappear. Seems odd to go about it this way.

Its probably people who are too poor to afford a holiday in a place like the UK, or acquire the necessary visas.

They are shipped in by human traffickers who then have a debt owed to them, which is paid off through forced labour.

Ronaldinho · 24-10-2019 02:29PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Why don't Chinese people not just holiday in UK and then disappear. Seems odd to go about it this way.

Maybe difficult to get tourist Visas?

Maybe better to get in undetected and then get fake documents rather than being 'in the system' as having entered the country but not departed?

riemann · 24-10-2019 02:29PM

No Bills wrote: »

I believe this is the Irish company that owns the refrigerated trailer:
https://gtreurope.com/
They are in the business of renting trailers.

Their office is located just beside the immigration centre

Esse85 · 24-10-2019 02:32PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Why don't Chinese people not just holiday in UK and then disappear. Seems odd to go about it this way.

Because UK authorities would know these people are in the country then, would have passport details etc and would be on the lookout to send them back when caught.

39 people found dead in trailer in UK

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