Units of alcohol per week...

Quantum Erasure · 23-10-2019 8:07pm

at my best (or worst) I'd drink over 100 UK units a week, most weeks. which is only about 85 Irish units, I don't know how you'd drink, or be able to afford to drink, twice that

elperello · 23-10-2019 8:12pm

Seamai wrote: »

Over the last 10 years I'd been averaging 7 or 8 units a week, maybe a little more during the summer. This time last year I was put on antidepressants so I cut it out except for the occasional single glass of wine with dinner or the odd shandy, mostly it's alcohol free beer and to be honest it's been great, I don't miss it at all, I was out on Saturday night with friends and one of them said he didn't know how I did it, It's actually pretty easy given how bad my hangovers were after only a few drinks. Holiday's have been great, up and out early with a clear head, the one thing that surprised me though was Italy on holidays last month, I couldn't find one bar that served alcohol free beer, when I asked why, I don't think they saw the point of it, strange for a society where getting drunk in public is considered the ultimate social faux pas.

You are right not to mix anti depressants with drink.

If 3.5 to 4 pints a week was impacting on your life you are probably better off calling a halt to drinking altogether. We all have a limit and one of the happiest things in life is to find it and stick to it.

Next time you are in Italy look for Moretti Zero.

jimgoose · 23-10-2019 8:22pm

elperello wrote: »

They claim that 3 pints is a binge drinking episode.
I know guys who would drink 3 pints while deliberating on whether to go on the drink for the day or not.

Laughed out loud at this. I <ahem> have been that soldier, as have several of my disreputable associates.

Beechwoodspark · 23-10-2019 8:29pm

Potential solution .... hear me out

Every licensed premises does a quick breathalyzer test of Punter when they present at the counter for a alcoholic drink order

If over then they are refused service. If they go to next bar and results are same -over a pre determined limit- then no drink. Basically “go home you’re drunk”.

Any bar flouting the law runs risk of having a fine or possible license revoked.

All it takes is a bit of ingenuity from a minister for health.

elperello · 23-10-2019 8:37pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Potential solution .... hear me out

Every licensed premises does a quick breathalyzer test of Punter when they present at the counter for a alcoholic drink order

If over then they are refused service. If they go to next bar and results are same -over a pre determined limit- then no drink. Basically “go home you’re drunk”.

Any bar flouting the law runs risk of having a fine or possible license revoked.

All it takes is a bit of ingenuity from the minister for health.

Bit of a mood killer if you ask me.

As for Simon I'd say even he would use his ingenuity to run a mile from the idea.

Beechwoodspark · 23-10-2019 8:39pm

elperello wrote: »

Bit of a mood killer if you ask me.

As for Simon I'd say even he would use his ingenuity to run a mile from the idea.

If someone involved in public health wanted to actually tackle alcohol abuse similar to how we tackled smoking then there’s a solution

Where there’s a will there’s a way

I would propose that the breathalyzers be paid for by each public house on an annual basis and checked by dept of health staff regularly so that no anomalies in the test (important should cases go to court).

The question then is what should be the limit for the “go home you’re drunk” level to be hit.

elperello · 23-10-2019 8:50pm

On a positive note I see employment opportunities.
Rent a teetotaler for the night to go up and get the drinks.

Beechwoodspark · 23-10-2019 8:51pm

elperello wrote: »

On a positive note I see employment opportunities.
Rent a teetotaler for the night to go up and get the drinks.

Hahaha. That could be one loophole alright. It would have to be literally one drink per person per order.

Redneck Reject · 23-10-2019 9:39pm

After reading through the posts, I've come to the conclusion your all lightweights. Should be ashamed of yourselves,heh.

Graces7 · 24-10-2019 12:11am

runawaybishop wrote: »

Alcohol has proven health benefits so it's not odd that you hear about them. Smoking does not have health benefits so why would you hear about them?

Interestingly nicotine does have some health benefits and helps ward off Alzheimer's and Parkinson's and there are lots of papers investigating this

such as? Same with your second paragraph!

Sunny Disposition · 24-10-2019 1:17am

The fact people decry the NHS guidelines says a lot, we are so used to excess consumption that we think the limits are a problem, not the consumption.

There’s a bizarre pride in certain people about being heavy drinkers, some men think it proves they are tough or are good socially. Stupid views really, but not that unusual.

One really positive thing seen in recent years is the decline in booze culture, which was at its zenith 15-20 years back.

Had an appointment with a physician lately who came over from France. When he arrived he said it was nothing unusual for a patient to tell him they had enjoyed 10-15 pints the night before, but he never hears that kind of thing anymore. Think we are going the right way at last, maybe in time we won’t be known as a country of heavy drinkers.

Sunny Disposition · 24-10-2019 1:36am

Reed Obedient Stepladder wrote: »

14 units would be a quiet night never mind a weekly limit.

Nox, you are a genuinely interesting case, if what you are saying in this and other threads is true.

It sounds like you drink a colossal amount, that 14 units would not be a fraction of what you drink a week. Yet it seems you have ur act together somewhat, you claim to have a good job, are building a house I think.

Is it true you genuinely don’t have any bad effects from booze? It sounds like you are committed to the drinking the way another fella might be to GAA or marathon running or something, sounds like it is your number one focus outside work.

I think it’s fair to say most people couldn’t drink like you and be in good mental health. Does anyone close to you worry about your drinking?

ohnonotgmail · 24-10-2019 9:02am

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Nox, you are a genuinely interesting case, if what you are saying in this and other threads is true.

It sounds like you drink a colossal amount, that 14 units would not be a fraction of what you drink a week. Yet it seems you have ur act together somewhat, you claim to have a good job, are building a house I think.

Is it true you genuinely don’t have any bad effects from booze? It sounds like you are committed to the drinking the way another fella might be to GAA or marathon running or something, sounds like it is your number one focus outside work.

I think it’s fair to say most people couldn’t drink like you and be in good mental health. Does anyone close to you worry about your drinking?

14 units is 7 pints. not a massive amount for an evening.

ksceniaonegina · 24-10-2019 9:04am

Life's too short

jr86 · 24-10-2019 9:17am

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Nox, you are a genuinely interesting case, if what you are saying in this and other threads is true.

It sounds like you drink a colossal amount, that 14 units would not be a fraction of what you drink a week. Yet it seems you have ur act together somewhat, you claim to have a good job, are building a house I think.

Is it true you genuinely don’t have any bad effects from booze? It sounds like you are committed to the drinking the way another fella might be to GAA or marathon running or something, sounds like it is your number one focus outside work.

I think it’s fair to say most people couldn’t drink like you and be in good mental health. Does anyone close to you worry about your drinking?

Haha, its not as if he's on the lash every night of the week!

There's thousands of adults in this country alone putting back at least 10 drinks every weekend, plenty two nights a week, that are holding down jobs, playing sport etc.

No offence, but you'd have to be extremely sheltered to think Nox is a rare case. Take a trip into Dublin any Friday/Saturday evening and see how rammed the pubs are, and the amount of drunk people about the place. More power to them, I rarely go out at the minute myself (saving for a house) but life can be miserable enough and is short, they're dead right to let their hair down after (even during!) a tough week's work

Hector Savage · 24-10-2019 9:20am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Depends on the week doesn’t it? You might be on a ‘health buzz’ for a week and not drink at all. Then other weeks you go at it good and heavy.

Like I did the first 4 days of the Galway racing festival this year. Then had a wedding down in Clare on the Friday, the afters in the Saturday, and had a date lined up with a horny divorcee in Limerick in the Sunday night. Drank over 100 pints of Guinness that week.

Then stayed off it the week after as I was feeling a small bit ropey.

Just to get back to this, christ that's almost pintman Paddy Losty numbers - not the lad who posts on boards, the legend himself!

jimgoose · 24-10-2019 9:25am

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Nox, you are a genuinely interesting case...

If so, there's a lot of them about. Most middle-aged men I know would loft a gallon of ale of a Thursday evening and stroll home for the dinner without a sign of drink on them. Granted you have a lot of eighteen-stone ex-props among that lot... :pac:

El_Duderino 09 · 24-10-2019 9:26am

ceadaoin. wrote: »

The limit is pretty arbitrary tbh and most people can drink more than that without any adverse health effects. I suppose it's set low to cover the people who may have more of an propensity to damage due to underlying issues which they may not be aware of.

Dont get blackout drunk on a frequent basis and dont drink every single day and you'll more than likely be grand.

On what science are you basing the bit in bold?

ohnonotgmail · 24-10-2019 9:29am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

On what science are you basing the bit in bold?

to be fair the guideline limits themselves are not based on much science at all.

the beer revolu · 24-10-2019 9:29am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

14 units is 7 pints. not a massive amount for an evening.

7 pints is a huge amount of alcohol for a human.
But then, I guess, the kind of people that think 7 pints isn't much don't see a problem with staggering, slurring speech, forgetting parts of the night, repeating yourself and generally looking and sounding inebriated.

I drink. I'm involved in the drinks industry. I have no doubt that I drink more than is good for me. I like drinking and I like pubs. In fact, I drink most days and probably consistently more than most guide limits. However, I have no patience for being around drunk people. Drunk people are boring and stupid at best, aggressive and abusive at worst.

I will never understand why it is socially acceptable to be fall around drunk in Ireland.

Do I recommend my level of drinking - no.
Why do people insist that there's nothing wrong with drinking 6-12 pints?

ohnonotgmail · 24-10-2019 9:29am

Hector Savage wrote: »

Just to get back to this, christ that's almost pintman Paddy Losty numbers - not the lad who posts on boards, the legend himself!

the difference is Paddy was doing those numbers EVERY week.

Greyfox · 24-10-2019 9:30am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

On what science are you basing the bit in bold?

Maybe he is basing it on science or maybe its just basing it on the millions of people who go well over the limit regularly and havent needed to ever visit a hospital

ohnonotgmail · 24-10-2019 9:30am

the beer revolu wrote: »

7 pints is a huge amount of alcohol for a human.
But then, I guess, the kind of people that think 7 pints isn't much don't see a problem with staggering, slurring speech, forgetting parts of the night, repeating yourself and generally looking and sounding inebriated.

I drink. I'm involved in the drinks industry. I have no doubt that I drink more than is good for me. I like drinking and I like pubs. In fact, I drink most days and probably consistently more than most guide limits. However, I have no patience for being around drunk people. Drunk people are boring and stupid at best, aggressive and abusive at worst.

I will never understand why it is socially acceptable to be fall around drunk in Ireland.

Do I recommend my level of drinking - no.
Why do people insist that there's nothing wrong with drinking 6-12 pints?

we each have our own limits. we are not all falling around drunk after 7 pints.

runawaybishop · 24-10-2019 9:32am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

On what science are you basing the bit in bold?

The guy that created the units system and recommended limits said it was made up.

Also,

The 90+ Study, led by University of California neurology specialist Dr. Claudia Kawas, found that among roughly 1,600 nonagenarians (people between the ages of 90 and 99), those who consumed approximately two glasses of beer or wine a day improved their odds of living longer than those who did not, by about 18 percent.

http://www.mind.uci.edu/research-studies/90plus-study/

Another study

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/769554
Alcohol Dosing and Total Mortality in Men and Women

Conclusions Low levels of alcohol intake (1-2 drinks per day for women and 2-4 drinks per day for men) are inversely associated with total mortality in both men and women. Our findings, while confirming the hazards of excess drinking, indicate potential windows of alcohol intake that may confer a net beneficial effect of moderate drinking, at least in terms of survival.

Cyrus · 24-10-2019 9:34am

Reed Obedient Stepladder wrote: »

Plenty of people with kids still enjoy an active social life and go out drinking regularly, some disappear off the face of the earth and give up on having the craic but most do not.

you seem to equate drinking regularly with an active social life.

let me ask you, do you have kids, and if so are both you and your partner out regularly or just you?

irelandrover · 24-10-2019 9:34am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

we each have our own limits. we are not all falling around drunk after 7 pints.

To be fair, Nox said 7 pints was a quiet night. I'd maintain that if 7 pints is a quiet night and you regularly boast about having at least 2 mad nights a week then you do indeed have a problem.

the beer revolu · 24-10-2019 9:35am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

we each have our own limits. we are not all falling around drunk after 7 pints.

I bet to someone who is sober, you are a drunk bore after 7 pints. Maybe not falling around.

ohnonotgmail · 24-10-2019 9:37am

the beer revolu wrote: »

I bet to someone who is sober, you are a drunk bore after 7 pints. Maybe not falling around.

are you always so condescending?

the beer revolu · 24-10-2019 9:38am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

are you always so condescending?

It seems I've touched a nerve.
Perhaps you know that you drink to excess but don't like to admit it.

meeeeh · 24-10-2019 9:38am

runawaybishop wrote: »

The guy that created the units system and recommended limits said it was made up.

Also,

The 90+ Study, led by University of California neurology specialist Dr. Claudia Kawas, found that among roughly 1,600 nonagenarians (people between the ages of 90 and 99), those who consumed approximately two glasses of beer or wine a day improved their odds of living longer than those who did not, by about 18 percent.

http://www.mind.uci.edu/research-studies/90plus-study/

Another study

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/769554
Alcohol Dosing and Total Mortality in Men and Women

Conclusions Low levels of alcohol intake (1-2 drinks per day for women and 2-4 drinks per day for men) are inversely associated with total mortality in both men and women. Our findings, while confirming the hazards of excess drinking, indicate potential windows of alcohol intake that may confer a net beneficial effect of moderate drinking, at least in terms of survival.

You do understand term moderate drinking? 2 drinks would be approximately a glass of wine you get in a restaurant in Ireland.

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