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Sex education in schools!

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    #122
    Paul Lee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Paul Lee


    Thanks for the chat though.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Lp2r3WgvuvkqzigSA


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    #123
    Paul Lee
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    The "Provision of Objective Sex Education Bill 2018" is anything but objective.

    It turns out that gender is just a matter of opinion. Unless, of course, you're a man with an opinion. Then your gender is definitely male, and definitely bad.

    It took us millions of years to figure this out, but here we are. The Brave New World.

    Lp2r3WgvuvkqzigSA


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    #124
    Paul Lee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Paul Lee


    Isn't it ironic how:

    Back in the old days it was ordinary rational people fighting against the religiously indoctrinated to protect children from harm.

    Nowadays its ordinary rational people fighting against the Marxist zealots who are trying to harm the children in pretty much the exact same way.

    Of course both parties claim to have the childrens best interests at heart.


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    #125
    Paul Lee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Paul Lee


    For anyone interested in having a say (that includes everyone, even those I fundamentally disagree with) here's where you can have your say on the forthcoming Pornography For Children Review (or the "review of Relationships and Sexuality Education (RSE)" as the Department of Kiddy Fiddlers likes to call it:

    https://www.ncca.ie/en/updates-and-events/consultations/review-of-relationships-and-sexuality-education-rse

    Please also read Doctor Caroline West who is a big proponent of the "RSE" bill. She kindly supplied the above link before she blocked me on twitter. For those who haven't heard of her, she has a PhD in pornography and.. um... teaches in DCU. I know... "You're a tin-foil-hat-wearing-lunatic" I hear you say.. Nope, I didn't believe it myself and it seems she's actually the real mccoy. At least according to twitter and linkedin. Here she is on twitter: https://twitter.com/CarolineWest_IE

    Tell her I said hello.


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    #126
    _Brian
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    It’s based on best practice across Europe and only loonatics still repressed by catholic Ireland still think teaching children about their sexuality is wrong.


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    #127
    Paul Lee
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    _Brian wrote: »
    It’s based on best practice across Europe and only loonatics still repressed by catholic Ireland still think teaching children about their sexuality is wrong.


    Teaching kids about sexuality is wrong?

    Nope. I'm teaching my kids about sexuality in an age appropriate manner. Nothing is taboo with me, I'm just careful about what I share with my kids. You know, like a responsible parent is supposed to do.

    Repressed?

    Nope. I've been about as liberal as you can be because I thought it was "correct". I've experienced how destructive it was to myself and those around me. Lessons learned. It brings nothing but misery. At least now I understand why.

    Catholic?
    Wrong again. I'm not religious though I have a lot of respect for religion and don't mock people's beliefs. I was quite religious when I was young but lost it all. The one thing I held on to was being against abortion on demand. Now I'm bringing back a few other healthy attitudes into my life.

    Anything else? Always happy to chat!


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    #128
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    _Brian wrote: »
    It’s based on best practice across Europe and only loonatics still repressed by catholic Ireland still think teaching children about their sexuality is wrong.

    It's no longer old school strict catholics (if any remain), now Europe has to bend to other religions, perhaps Birmingham in the uk, is a prime example what's to come, as many who want the (national) DfE curriculum there altered, to suit their own views.

    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/muslim-mums-protest-outside-school-15729135
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/lgbt-lessons-protests-birmingham-school-parents-mps-sex-education-a8844711.html


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    #129
    Paul Lee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Paul Lee


    Elisa Hundreds Watermelon wrote: »
    It's no longer old school strict catholics (if any remain), now Europe has to bend to other religions, perhaps Birmingham in the uk, is a prime example what's to come, as many who want the (national) DfE curriculum there altered, to suit their own views.
    ]


    Yep, but it's only Catholic "loonies" that aren't allowed to comment. Muslim "loonies" are OK. Isn't that right Brian?


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    #130
    victor8600
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    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    How do you think sex education should be taught in schools?

    1) More emphasis on the relationship angle, flirting, what is (generally) attractive etc. Really, I knew about the mechanics from early teenage years, but how does a guy talk about sex with a girl without just pestering for it?

    2) Full on realistic porn movie reviews. What's real and what is a porn-specific overdramatisation. No filters are going to stop teenagers from watching hard porn, so let's explain that fisting is not for a first date, m'ok?


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    #131
    dvdman1
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    LGBTQ issues dont fit into the subject of sex education for Catholics muslims and other faiths aswell as people who simply disagree with that lifestyle....to force this on them is against there faith and beliefs.
    This is why people seperate rights and respect for others in subjects like sphe from the subject of sex education.
    Sex is not a defining personality trait...most sensible catholics and muslims know this.


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    #132
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,171 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Paul Lee wrote: »
    Teaching kids about sexuality is wrong?

    Nope. I'm teaching my kids about sexuality in an age appropriate manner. Nothing is taboo with me, I'm just careful about what I share with my kids. You know, like a responsible parent is supposed to do.

    Repressed?

    Nope. I've been about as liberal as you can be because I thought it was "correct". I've experienced how destructive it was to myself and those around me. Lessons learned. It brings nothing but misery. At least now I understand why.

    Catholic?
    Wrong again. I'm not religious though I have a lot of respect for religion and don't mock people's beliefs. I was quite religious when I was young but lost it all. The one thing I held on to was being against abortion on demand. Now I'm bringing back a few other healthy attitudes into my life.

    Anything else? Always happy to chat!

    "Pornograpy for Children review from the Department of Kiddy Fiddler's"...? Yeah, very open minded and liberal!!

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #133
    Paul Lee
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    victor8600 wrote: »
    1) More emphasis on the relationship angle, flirting, what is (generally) attractive etc. Really, I knew about the mechanics from early teenage years, but how does a guy talk about sex with a girl without just pestering for it?

    Vic, I'm sorry you're having problems dating. It's a tricky one. If you're expecting school to sort that one out for you then I'm afraid you'll most likely die a virgin.
    victor8600 wrote: »
    2) Full on realistic porn movie reviews. What's real and what is a porn-specific overdramatisation. No filters are going to stop teenagers from watching hard porn, so let's explain that fisting is not for a first date, m'ok?

    If you want to watch porn there's this thing called the internet. You're on the internet right now- it so happens so you're half way there. My kids don't need to learn about porn until an appropriate age, when, with a bit of luck, they'll conclude it's for sad and lonely people.

    I've seen and done it all. Enjoyed it in the moment, then thought back on it. It's retarded. Waste of time. Humans and relationships are the only thing that matters.


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    #134
    Paul Lee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Paul Lee


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    "Pornograpy for Children review from the Department of Kiddy Fiddler's"...? Yeah, very open minded and liberal!!

    No, I'm not at all liberal on the question of destroying childrens lives. Quite close-minded in fact.


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    #135
    DanyTargaryen
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    The sex ed classes I got were actually atrocious, before I delve in, I'd like to point out that I'm late 20's and received this info in 2008 so the "it was a different time" argument doesn't even excuse it:

    1. A detailed list of all possible std's (fine)
    2. A detailed list of different contraceptive methods BUT proceeded with the disclaimer "If you use any of these methods then you're going against your religion so you need to take that into account before deciding whether or not to use contraception"
    3. "STD's don's exist for dogs, dog can hump all day long and will never catch an STD, this is because dogs were designed to have more than one sexual partner. Humans on the other hand can get STD's when they have sex so this is a sign that humans just aren't designed to have more than one sexual partner"
    4. Sex doesn't feel that good and isn't worth the risk, teacher told us we'd all probably be disappointed when we have it.

    It was an all girls school, they would have said absolutely anything to us to put us off the idea of having sex for rest of our lives.

    What I think they should have taught us was points 1 and 2 but without the disclaimer plus some info on consent and porn. One or two classes for 5/6th years just to point out that things like choking aren't really first date territory and should be thoroughly discussed before being attempted.


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    #136
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    Paul Lee wrote: »
    No, I'm not at all liberal on the question of destroying childrens lives. Quite close-minded in fact.

    Ignorance and close-mindedness is exactly what destroys people's mind, you don't need to point this out!

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #137
    dvdman1
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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Ignorance and close-mindedness is exactly what destroys people's mind, you don't need to point this out!

    Since your so open minded are you into supporting pedophiles rights..love is love regardless, right? NO
    I guess your close minded like us too, why is that? Because you have principles maybe?


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    #138
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Paul Lee wrote: »
    For anyone interested in having a say (that includes everyone, even those I fundamentally disagree with) here's where you can have your say on the forthcoming Pornography For Children Review (or the "review of Relationships and Sexuality Education (RSE)" as the Department of Kiddy Fiddlers likes to call it:

    Hmm yeah, that sounds balanced and objective and not at all unhinged.

    Oh and BTW I've noticed that the facebook link you posted earlier is from Gript Media, run by Youth Defence, that other bunch of balanced and objective and not unhinged at all people.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #139
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Elisa Hundreds Watermelon wrote: »
    It's no longer old school strict catholics (if any remain), now Europe has to bend to other religions, perhaps Birmingham in the uk, is a prime example what's to come, as many who want the (national) DfE curriculum there altered, to suit their own views.

    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/muslim-mums-protest-outside-school-15729135
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/lgbt-lessons-protests-birmingham-school-parents-mps-sex-education-a8844711.html

    No surprises there, a religion seeking to oppress people and grab influence, power and money for itself. Same as the rest of them.

    dvdman1 wrote: »
    Since your so open minded are you into supporting pedophiles rights..love is love regardless, right? NO

    A child cannot consent. Stupid comparison.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #140
    dvdman1
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    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    No surprises there, a religion seeking to oppress people and grab influence, power and money for itself. Same as the rest of them.

    Actually, your links are an excellent argument to get ALL religions out of Irish schools, now.




    A child cannot consent. Stupid comparison.

    Hows incest rights sitting with your open mind?
    Sure with modern advances in medicine the health implications are over played...love is love right?


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    #141
    victor8600
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    Paul Lee wrote: »
    My kids don't need to learn about porn until an appropriate age, when, with a bit of luck, they'll conclude it's for sad and lonely people.

    I've seen and done it all. Enjoyed it in the moment, then thought back on it. It's retarded. Waste of time. Humans and relationships are the only thing that matters.

    You will not decide the age when your kids are exposed by porn, unless you restrict them from talking to friends and prevent them from using the internet. You want to keep your kids ignorant, so they will have to figure what's good and what is bad themselves, probably by making bad mistakes. Good luck to them.
    Paul Lee wrote: »
    I've seen and done it all. Enjoyed it in the moment, then thought back on it. It's retarded. Waste of time. Humans and relationships are the only thing that matters.

    Sex is not retarded. I am sorry for you if you think this way.


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    #142
    Hotblack Desiato
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    dvdman1 wrote: »
    Hows incest rights sitting with your open mind?
    Sure with modern advances in medicine the health implications are over played...love is love right?

    What is this? Some sort of bullshit bingo?

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #143
    dvdman1
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    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    What is this? Some sort of bullshit bingo?

    Are you in support of incest rights? there adults
    Now you finally get the point..yes the slippery slope of constantly holding personal rights as a way forward.


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    #144
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,716 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Paul Lee wrote: »
    as the Department of Kiddy Fiddlers likes to call it:
    If you wish to post do so in a constructive manner and do not resort to uncivil/offensive commentary like this

    Any questions PM me - do not respond to this warning in-thread


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    #145
    FunLover18
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    The idea that parents have any sort of control over when their child gets introduced to porn is laughable. Porn is a fantasy and it creates misguided views of sex and consent, the proposed curriculum looks to teach children this because these are children who will grow up to live in a society where misconceptions regarding sex and consent can have serious consequences.


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    #146
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,171 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    dvdman1 wrote: »
    Since your so open minded are you into supporting pedophiles rights..love is love regardless, right? NO
    I guess your close minded like us too, why is that? Because you have principles maybe?

    Eh, which pedophiles rights are these again?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #147
    Harvey Weinstein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Harvey Weinstein


    Screen-Shot-2019-10-23-at-22-49-48.png

    One of the authors of the guidelines for RSE, Kate Dawson, explores porn related themes with children.

    Themes such as..

    Anal ass eating
    Bareback
    Cumshot
    Doggy Dildo
    Fisting
    Gangbang
    And many more...


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    #148
    Quantum Erasure
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    what age group is that? I'd say at least 5th years, probably 6th. 'ass eating'? it was called 'rimming' back when i was in school


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    #149
    FunLover18
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    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    Screen-Shot-2019-10-23-at-22-49-48.png

    One of the authors of the guidelines for RSE, Kate Dawson, explores porn related themes with children.

    Themes such as..

    Anal ass eating
    Bareback
    Cumshot
    Doggy Dildo
    Fisting
    Gangbang
    And many more...

    She didn't teach them these terms, these are terms the children already know, that's the point she's trying to make. This why we need decent Sex Ed because children are already getting a terrible one from the porn industry.


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    #150
    Geuze
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    All children do not know these terms.

    Even if some do, we should not be introducing all children to such obscenity.

    The fact that they may come across these terms when they are older is not a reason to introduce these terms to second-level children.

    A general statement about pornography - ok, fair enough.

    But this level of detail - no way.

    Anyways, find me the teacher who will "teach" these terms???


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    #151
    Geuze
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    Has our society fallen so low that we would devote time in schools to such discussion?

    God Help Us.


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