Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

Boggles · 21-10-2019 1:24pm

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

Who says?
Btw, you don't need massively fast broadband to shop on Amzn

Amazon to hire 30,000 workers at job fairs in 6 cities on September 17

The jobs range from software engineers, who can earn more than $100,000 a year, to warehouse workers who are paid at least $15 an hour to pack and ship online orders.

Like I said relax there Ms. Connors, we are grand a while.

Annasopra · 21-10-2019 1:26pm

PhiloCypher wrote: »

The Irony of the whole immigration issue is if you were to do a Venn diagram of the people who moan about immigrants not integrating and relying on hand outs and the people who moan about them stealing our women and Jobs it would likely just be one circle.

Integrate. Just not near me, in my trade, or with my sister.

Oh I know. They give out about Womens rights but then talk about women around them as if they own them. Its always "our women"

4068ac1elhodqr · 21-10-2019 1:38pm

Boggles wrote: »

Amazon to hire 30,000 workers at job fairs in 6 cities on September 17

Drop in the global ocean. UK alone is to loose 164,100 retail jobs in 2019.
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2018/12/164100-retail-job-losses-expected-2019-woes-set-worsen/

Any new roles for SW Engineers won't be filled by blokes jumping out of trucks or sailing dingys across the Eng Channel to Ire&UK.

In terms of warehousing, Amazon now has more than 100,000 robots inside its warehouses worldwide. They don't take smoke/tea breaks neither.
https://www.wired.com/story/amazon-warehouse-robots/

Also...
Amazon paid a total of £220 million in direct taxes in the UK last year despite its total revenues from doing business in the country amounting to £10.9 billion

Boggles · 21-10-2019 1:55pm

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

Drop in the global ocean. UK alone is to loose 164,100 retail jobs in 2019.
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2018/12/164100-retail-job-losses-expected-2019-woes-set-worsen/

No harm really, if they don't adapt they'll be gone. There was 131,000 retail jobs unfilled in the UK as of September, most them will be looked after, the rest will re-skill or go into other sectors.

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

Any new roles for SW Engineers won't be filled by blokes jumping out of trucks or sailing dingys across the Eng Channel to Ire&UK.

Unless they are software engineers.

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

In terms of warehousing, Amazon now has more than 100,000 robots inside its warehouses worldwide. They don't take smoke/tea breaks neither.
https://www.wired.com/story/amazon-warehouse-robots/

And yet they are hiring more warehouse operatives. Record low unemployment in America.

Go figure.

4068ac1elhodqr · 21-10-2019 2:02pm

Boggles wrote: »

No harm really

Head in the sand type view.

Boggles wrote: »

Unless they are software engineers.

LOL!
Who could have otherwise applied for skilled visas and get relocation expenses coming into the eu.

Rather than take the dingy/cargo area route, and doss around is DP centres for years.

Boggles wrote: »

And yet they are hiring more warehouse operatives. Record low unemployment in America.

Only to replace those who can't keep up with the machines, are overworked and massive walk-outs/turnover. Until that is it makes fiscal sense on the P&L/Balance Sheet to get rid of them all.

As for US economy, guess you can thank Trump for their current economic success story.

Boggles · 21-10-2019 2:23pm

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

Head in the sand type view.

The opposite, if a company doesn't react to changing consumer sentiment, then the whole company could go. How many examples do you need?

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

LOL!
Who could have otherwise applied for skilled visas and get relocation expenses coming into the eu.

Rather than take the dingy/cargo area route, and doss around is DP centres for years.

Well if there not, I'm sure the likes of Amazon would love to have them. They are increasing their work force by 5%.

There is shortages across the board in various sectors.

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

As for US economy, guess you can thank Trump for their current economic success story.

Not exactly his basic lack of understanding about trade is having a tangible negative effect on the farming sector, ironically for a man that hates socialism he is propping it up with social aid.

In reality though it would be the likes of the head of the company you have been talking about that would be creating the jobs.

mvl · 21-10-2019 2:23pm

Geuze wrote: »

No.

We are in the EU, so all EU migration, inward and outward, is acceptable, although it's sad to see any Irish people have to leave.

Limited and controlled non-EU immigration is ok, as long as labour shortages here can be proven.

Given there are approx 190,000 on the LR, I don't see much need for non-EU workers, other than in specific, limited skills, e.g. medicine.

Genuine refugees, actually fleeing real persecution, are very welcome.

Economic migrants, pretending to be AS, are not welcome, and should be stopped at the borders.

I am just going to bring this here : did wonder why Germany, after receiving so many refugees last years, are rather looking at Mexico to help tackle their crisis in nursing for elderly (between 50k-80k jobs unfilled)
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-looks-to-mexico-to-help-tackle-nursing-care-crisis/a-50528445

PostWoke · 21-10-2019 2:37pm

Boggles wrote: »

No it doesn't

Yes it does.

Boggles wrote: »

Amazon to hire 30,000 workers at job fairs in 6 cities on September 17

Like I said relax there Ms. Connors, we are grand a while.

Amazon, the lads who don't let their warehouse staff go and take a piss? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

bubblypop wrote: »

so what is the problem?
someone needs to work in hotels and supermarkets, & what difference does it make if they stay in their own homes when not working?
how would it possibly have any affect on you what people do when they are not working

The country is not a teat. Do not be surprised when natives are offended that our jobs and houses are good enough for these individuals, but not the people themselves.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Lets face reality though. A lot of the protesting about DP centres is Hate not Hope

Why would we face something only occurring in your head? Or did you think of a smart slogan in the shower and just had to share it?

mvl wrote: »

I am just going to bring this here : did wonder why Germany, after receiving so many refugees last years, are rather looking at Mexico to help tackle their crisis in nursing for elderly (between 50k-80k jobs unfilled)
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-looks-to-mexico-to-help-tackle-nursing-care-crisis/a-50528445

Ooh Ooh I know the answer to this one! Because these asylum scammers expect to walk into well paid office jobs that require a serious skillset and are absolutely unwilling to work jobs they consider below them like fast food etc. And if you don't give them the job they want you're a feckin' racist!

PhiloCypher wrote: »

The Irony of the whole immigration issue is if you were to do a Venn diagram of the people who moan about immigrants not integrating and relying on hand outs and the people who moan about them stealing our women and Jobs it would likely just be one circle.

Integrate. Just not near me, in my trade, or with my sister.

No, the irony of this post is that it is based on nothing in reality and you can't back it up with anything either. It's just a made up opinion you've formed.

Who the hell is falling over themselves to shack up with asylum seekers living out of a DP centre, with no job and like 20 quid a week to spend, in your very interesting world view?

Boggles · 21-10-2019 2:52pm

mvl wrote: »

I am just going to bring this here : did wonder why Germany, after receiving so many refugees last years, are rather looking at Mexico to help tackle their crisis in nursing for elderly (between 50k-80k jobs unfilled)
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-looks-to-mexico-to-help-tackle-nursing-care-crisis/a-50528445

Because 80,000 health care workers didn't arrive in Germany and the ones who did wouldn't have have their qualification recognized.

That's not stopping the Germans though.

https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/4145/german-organization-prepares-refugees-to-care-for-the-elderly

Germany’s Refugees Are Starting to Pay Off

Integration targets are ahead of schedule.

Varik · 21-10-2019 2:53pm

The Arson on Saturday might be related, only mention of it is Shannon side where it just says it was a "shop" and gardai are investigating. It got mentioned at the meeting apparently so might be related.

mvl · 21-10-2019 3:04pm

Boggles wrote: »

Because 80,000 health care workers didn't arrive in Germany and the ones who did wouldn't have have their qualification recognized.

That's not stopping the Germans though.

https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/4145/german-organization-prepares-refugees-to-care-for-the-elderly

Germany’s Refugees Are Starting to Pay Off

Integration targets are ahead of schedule.

Well - the article I posted is from 2019. The one you have linked "preparing refugees" seems from 2017 -something else may have happened in between - if they talk about going to Mexico in 2019.

Thought maybe what the elders want can be another reason, tbh.

Anyway ... I would have gone to look at Venezuelan refugees too.

Slowyourrole · 21-10-2019 3:11pm

In the UK there is tonnes of food going to rot in fields because they have a shortage of unskilled EU workers. Automation takes innovation, time and money to implement. You can't forsake industry in the hopes it will arrive sooner rather than later.

21-10-2019 3:14pm

Varik wrote: »

The Arson on Saturday might be related, only mention of it is Shannon side where it just says it was a "shop" and gardai are investigating. It got mentioned at the meeting apparently so might be related.

I would imagine it is & it's disgusting act. Vigilantism is not acceptable in a normal society.

Boggles · 21-10-2019 3:18pm

mvl wrote: »

Well - the article I posted is from 2019. The one you have linked "preparing refugees" seems from 2017 -something else may have happened in between - if they talk about going to Mexico in 2019.

How long do you think it would take to train or retrain people to fill the roles?

Refugees in Germany have to learn the language before they can access a lot of work activation programs or training.

mvl wrote: »

Thought maybe what the elders want can be another reason, tbh.

Sorry you think the elders want Mexicans?

They is a chronic shortage of workers across a range of industries in Germany, not just health care.

They wouldn't be unique in trying to fill health roles by going abroad, we do it.

splinter65 · 21-10-2019 4:02pm

bubblypop wrote: »

that is a shame.

But what is shameful about it can you tell me? Are all protests shameful or only the ones you don’t agree with?

21-10-2019 4:05pm

splinter65 wrote: »

But what is shameful about it can you tell me? Are all protests shameful or only the ones you don’t agree with?

It's a shame that the locals are making themselves look intolerant. With no reason, other than they just don't want them living in the town.
It's a shame the locals have made themselves look like that.

splinter65 · 21-10-2019 4:13pm

bubblypop wrote: »

It's a shame that the locals are making themselves look intolerant. With no reason, other than they just don't want them living in the town.
It's a shame the locals have made themselves look like that.

Now you’re making up lies. The group have stated quite clearly why they are objecting:

While the group says it is fully aware and supportive of the Government's commitment as part of the EU to accommodate those who would seek refuge from war, famine or persecution they "feel that the proposed resettlement of such large numbers of people in such a small community is completely disproportionate to the needs of both the asylum seekers and the community at large".

With a population of 900 people, the group says that the numbers of people being considered for Ballinamore exceeds 15% of the population, when proportional norms around resettlement is recognised as being between 1% and 2% of the local population”

You may not agree with their reasons. You may not LIKE their reasons but when you say they have no reason then you are lying.

21-10-2019 4:17pm

splinter65 wrote: »

they "feel that the proposed resettlement of such large numbers of people in such a small community is completely disproportionate to the needs of both the asylum seekers and the community at large".
.

But thats not a reason. They feel.
Why though? A few extra families will make no difference to anyone else living in the town, none whatsoever.
So, they just don't want them.

Ulysses Gaze · 21-10-2019 4:23pm

bubblypop wrote: »

But thats not a reason. They feel.
Why though? A few extra families will make no difference to anyone else living in the town, none whatsoever.
So, they just don't want them.

But it's not just a few families.

It's a 15% increase in the population.

I stand by my earlier post. Time to move these refugees into the leafy suburbs of Dublin (D4, Castleknock, Howth, Malahide, Sutton, Clontarf, Terenure, Tempelogue, Monkstown, Blackrock, Stillorgan, Shankill), Cork (Montenotte., South Douglas, Blackrock) and Galway (Salthill)

#RefugeesforLeafySuburbs.

splinter65 · 21-10-2019 4:24pm

bubblypop wrote: »

But thats not a reason. They feel.
Why though? A few extra families will make no difference to anyone else living in the town, none whatsoever.
So, they just don't want them.

Why do you think that you can decide what a good reason is and what is not?
Your arrogance is breathtaking!
How dare you accuse people you don’t know and know nothing about of being bigoted because they have perfectly legitimate concerns?
Accepted levels of immigration are 2% tops. This is 15%.
You can’t decide that you just don’t accept these figures unless you can produce evidence to counter it.
Produce your evidence.

Boggles · 21-10-2019 4:27pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

But it's not just a few families.

It's a 15% increase in the population.

I stand by my earlier post. Time to move these refugees into the leafy suburbs of Dublin (D4, Castleknock, Howth, Malahide, Sutton, Clontarf, Terenure, Tempelogue Monkstown, Blackrock, Stillorgan, Shankill), Cork (Montenotte., South Douglas, Blackrock) and Galway (Salthill)

#RefugeesforLeafySuburbs.

Is there 20 ready made 3-4 bedroom apartments in any of those areas?

21-10-2019 4:29pm

splinter65 wrote: »

Why do you think that you can decide what a good reason is and what is not?
Your arrogance is breathtaking!
How dare you accuse people you don’t know and know nothing about of being bigoted because they have perfectly legitimate concerns?
Accepted levels of immigration are 2% tops. This is 15%.
You can’t decide that you just don’t accept these figures unless you can produce evidence to counter it.
Produce your evidence.

I know the people well

21-10-2019 4:32pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

But it's not just a few families.

It's a 15% increase in the population.

I stand by my earlier post. Time to move these refugees into the leafy suburbs of Dublin (D4, Castleknock, Howth, Malahide, Sutton, Clontarf, Terenure, Tempelogue, Monkstown, Blackrock, Stillorgan, Shankill), Cork (Montenotte., South Douglas, Blackrock) and Galway (Salthill)

#RefugeesforLeafySuburbs.

They are not refugees
Anyway, I don't know why this is always posted, like asylum seekers are never housed in Dublin?
In the middle of the 2000s there was a direct provision centre in killiney hill.
It's the same rubbish argument people make about halting sites ' oh put them in south county Dublin '
When south county Dublin has a huge amount of halting sites anyway.
There have been direct provision centres in Dublin. As there has in Ballinamore & there were no issues.

Ulysses Gaze · 21-10-2019 4:32pm

Boggles wrote: »

Is there 20 ready made 3-4 bedroom apartments in any of those areas?

I am sure there are houses and apartments that can be rented. A cursory look on Daft shows that there are plenty of places to rent in these areas.

Here's our chance to show the Swedes and Germans how to do proper integration.

Surely you are not against that?

They are not refugees
Anyway, I don't know why this is always posted, like asylum seekers are never housed in Dublin?
In the middle of the 2000s there was a direct provision centre in killiney hill.
It's the same rubbish argument people make about halting sites ' oh put them in south county Dublin '
When south county Dublin has a huge amount of halting sites anyway.
There have been direct provision centres in Dublin. As there has in Ballinamore & there were no issues.

Forget DP. It's a failed model.

The Refugees and AS should be put into housing in these areas.

Again, we have a chance to show the Swedes and Germans how to do integration correctly.

splinter65 · 21-10-2019 4:40pm

bubblypop wrote: »

I know the people well

No evidence that the accepted level of immigration isn’t 2%? Why am I not surprised.
What you need to do is apply yourself to searching for suitable accommodation for DP in your immediate community and suggest it to the Dept of Justice via your local TD. .

Boggles · 21-10-2019 4:41pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

I am sure there are houses and apartments that can be rented. A cursory look on Daft shows that there are plenty of places to rent in these areas.

You are sure because you had a cursory look?

You'd have a basket of individuals shouting "house our own first" up in arms if you started shoving refugees into pressure zones en masse.

weldoninhio · 21-10-2019 4:43pm

Slowyourrole wrote: »

In the UK there is tonnes of food going to rot in fields because they have a shortage of unskilled EU workers. Automation takes innovation, time and money to implement. You can't forsake industry in the hopes it will arrive sooner rather than later.

Shortage of workers or refusal of farmers to pay a decent wage? Just because there are less foreigners undercutting British workers doesn’t mean there’s a crisis.

Ulysses Gaze · 21-10-2019 4:44pm

Boggles wrote: »

You are sure because you had a cursory look?

You'd have a basket of individuals shouting "house our own first" up in arms if you started shoving refugees into pressure zones en masse.

They’re just racists that need to be ignored.

splinter65 · 21-10-2019 4:45pm

bubblypop wrote: »

They are not refugees
Anyway, I don't know why this is always posted, like asylum seekers are never housed in Dublin?
In the middle of the 2000s there was a direct provision centre in killiney hill.
It's the same rubbish argument people make about halting sites ' oh put them in south county Dublin '
When south county Dublin has a huge amount of halting sites anyway.
There have been direct provision centres in Dublin. As there has in Ballinamore & there were no issues.

That’s not a reason at all not to put all DP in Dublin. You just don’t want them in your area.

That’s what you said about the people in Ballinamore.

Eric Cartman · 21-10-2019 4:47pm

bubblypop wrote: »

It's a shame that the locals are making themselves look intolerant. With no reason, other than they just don't want them living in the town.
It's a shame the locals have made themselves look like that.

a bunch of locals protest a legitimate issue and without even looking into what their concerns are you've called them racists..... well done...

Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

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