Rugby World Cup 2019 Japan The hunt for Webb Ellis

Squidgy Black · 20-10-2019 08:12PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

It pains me to say but England are favourites to win it imo. NZ are very beatable. England have the power and pace to do them.

Hopefully I'm wrong!

People keep saying NZ are very beatable, but they fairly convincingly beat SA, beat us by 32 points, and hockeyed the minnows in their group games by 60+ points.

It'll be a cracking game, don't get me wrong, but I don't think England are the favourites at all, and either do the bookies.

sydthebeat · 20-10-2019 08:52PM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

People keep saying NZ are very beatable, but they fairly convincingly beat SA, beat us by 32 points, and hockeyed the minnows in their group games by 60+ points.

It'll be a cracking game, don't get me wrong, but I don't think England are the favourites at all, and either do the bookies.

I fancy new Zealand to win by double figures

Burkie1203 · 20-10-2019 09:03PM

This just looks wrong

https://twitter.com/MiriamCol/status/1186022005134561285?s=19

FrancieBrady · 20-10-2019 09:22PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

This just looks wrong

https://twitter.com/MiriamCol/status/1186022005134561285?s=19

That is just the worst of bad taste.

Ardillaun · 20-10-2019 10:16PM

Better games today. Japan greatly exceeded my expectations at this tournament. The passing was a joy to watch and they never stopped running.

France began to play like a team against Wales and should have won. I’d like to see Vahaamahina get a lengthy, or even permanent, holiday from the national squad. Inexcusable stupidity.

lawred2 · 20-10-2019 10:37PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

This just looks wrong

https://twitter.com/MiriamCol/status/1186022005134561285?s=19

Ah jaysus.. a chance encounter with some boozed up fans. A bit of silliness and a pose for a picture..

These things happen. Hardly means that he went about engineering France's demise. France own that themselves.

Burkie1203 · 21-10-2019 06:29AM

lawred2 wrote: »

Ah jaysus.. a chance encounter with some boozed up fans. A bit of silliness and a pose for a picture..

These things happen. Hardly means that he went about engineering France's demise. France own that themselves.

But he could still end up officiating a Wales game down the line.

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2019 06:47AM

lawred2 wrote: »

Ah jaysus.. a chance encounter with some boozed up fans. A bit of silliness and a pose for a picture..

These things happen. Hardly means that he went about engineering France's demise. France own that themselves.

Nobody is saying that. He is an unaware fool who hasn't the brain or common sense to find his way home, never mind ref a game though.

sydthebeat · 21-10-2019 07:03AM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

But he could still end up officiating a Wales game down the line.

So??

I can guarantee that the refs are being photographed with fans of every nationality out there

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2019 07:10AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

So??

I can guarantee that the refs are being photographed with fans of every nationality out there

Shouldn't this post be accompanied by pics of refs mocking key events in games hours after they happened?

Just saying like.

jr86 · 21-10-2019 08:03AM

Have to say I just don’t get all this outrage over the Peyper thing

But everyone is entitled to their opinion

One of the beautiful things about the sport of rugby is the fact a referee can mingle with fans like this. The respect for officials is second to none. Compare with Michael Oliver after that clown Buffon’s antics in the Champions League a few years ago? The man’s wife got death threats FFS

We’re too quick to judge people in 2019 imo. Can we not sit back and actually try and examine context before jumping to conclusions? I mean the guy probably casually bumps into a group of pissed up Welsh fans. He can choose to blank them (cue potential several tweets of “what a pr1ck” etc.) or indulge them for a minute or two like any reasonable human being would. They ask for a picture, there’s a bit of slagging, decide to do a humourous pose, I’ll go on my way, happy days.

The guy is a human at the end of the day, and has a personality. Of course, in this perpetually offended generation he’s probably better off asking them to pause for a moment while he weighs up the potential consequences of such a heinous crime, but hey we’re not all perfect

The French would be as well off focusing on why this is a second world cup in succession they can’t make a semi-final and for the last 8 years don’t come within an asses roar of winning a 6 nations.

Where’s our sense of humour gone? Its not life and death, I’d imagine even Vaha’s (I’m not going to even try!!) teammates were giving him a bit of a slagging over a few beers after the dust settled, about how stupid he was, but they still love him and so on!

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2019 08:17AM

jr86 wrote: »

Have to say I just don’t get all this outrage over the Peyper thing

But everyone is entitled to their opinion

One of the beautiful things about the sport of rugby is the fact a referee can mingle with fans like this. The respect for officials is second to none. Compare with Michael Oliver after that clown Buffon’s antics in the Champions League a few years ago? The man’s wife got death threats FFS

We’re too quick to judge people in 2019 imo. Can we not sit back and actually try and examine context before jumping to conclusions? I mean the guy probably casually bumps into a group of pissed up Welsh fans. He can choose to blank them (cue potential several tweets of “what a pr1ck” etc.) or indulge them for a minute or two like any reasonable human being would. They ask for a picture, there’s a bit of slagging, decide to do a humourous pose, I’ll go on my way, happy days.

The guy is a human at the end of the day, and has a personality. Of course, in this perpetually offended generation he’s probably better off asking them to pause for a moment while he weighs up the potential consequences of such a heinous crime, but hey we’re not all perfect

The French would be as well off focusing on why this is a second world cup in succession they can’t make a semi-final and for the last 8 years don’t come within an asses roar of winning a 6 nations.

Where’s our sense of humour gone? Its not life and death, I’d imagine even Vaha’s (I’m not going to even try!!) teammates were giving him a bit of a slagging over a few beers after the dust settled, about how stupid he was, but they still love him and so on!

My sense of 'humour' has gone nowhere. I was laughing at Peyper and his inabilities long before this incident.

He isn't just taking part in a photo, he is taking part in mocking a key incident in a controversial game, a game the French and a hell of a lot of other people think the Welsh would not have won if it hadn't been for the man in the centre of that photo.

awec · 21-10-2019 08:18AM

I think it's a non-event to be honest. Peyper is a referee and also a human. They're not robots.

French anger would be better directed at Vahaamahina.

blinding · 21-10-2019 08:19AM

Certainly Potential Red card for Jaco Peyper .

The picture for the TMO strongly suggests Red Card !

blinding · 21-10-2019 08:21AM

Not talking about the Vahamina incident = bang to rights .

But down through the years ; Is their an Anglo centric slant to refereeing in rugby ?

DGRulz · 21-10-2019 08:27AM

Its incredibly poor taste but it still got a chuckle out of me. France just tend to be bitter about these things. I seem to remember reports of Pape turning up to Sean O'Brian's hearing at RWC 2015 with a doctor to explain just how much damage had been done with the sucker punch. This latest thing is a nothing event. The red was deserved, even Brunnel agreed with it.

21-10-2019 08:31AM

awec wrote: »

I think it's a non-event to be honest. Peyper is a referee and also a human. They're not robots.

French anger would be better directed at Vahaamahina.

Very much agree
Unprofessional: Yeah kinda
Outrageous: Hell no

I think much of the issue is coming from the fact that he fluffed the forward rip call, and is then seeing laughing about the other key point.

PokeHerKing · 21-10-2019 09:01AM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

That performance by NZ yesterday was as good as Ive seen them play in years.
It was clinical and a much more expressive form of rugby than the conservative rugby they have played in latter years.

I don't think England will be able to beat them if NZ play anywhere near they did yesterday .

I'm not judging NZ beatability based off the Irish game. We were not at the races in any department. We'd have made any tier 1 nation look brilliant.

It's not hard to be clinical if the opposition are kicking poorly, not competing at the breakdown and offering zero attacking threat from any broken field play.

Ireland were playing in quicksand from kickoff. NZ are beatable as this years rugby championship showed us, I think England are peaking at the right time and I think the Irish game will have been some of the worst prep NZ could have gotten for an English side that are going to come out the gate at full tilt.

cson · 21-10-2019 09:13AM

awec wrote: »

I think it's a non-event to be honest. Peyper is a referee and also a human. They're not robots.

French anger would be better directed at Vahaamahina.

He's a professional referee still involved in a tournament. It's incredibly unprofessional behavior and he should be stood down.

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2019 09:20AM

cson wrote: »

He's a professional referee still involved in a tournament. It's incredibly unprofessional behavior and he should be stood down.

He is absolutely aware of the dig he is being asked to make in the photo.

As you say, appallingly unprofessional and ill-advised at a tournament were the integrity and judgement of referees is under a harsh spotlight already.

eagle eye · 21-10-2019 09:29AM

Social media needs to be shut down.

blinding · 21-10-2019 09:32AM

cson wrote: »

He's a professional referee still involved in a tournament. It's incredibly unprofessional behavior and he should be stood down.

Twas dumb and do you want dumb referring high profile Rugby Matches .:eek:

scott1974 · 21-10-2019 10:35AM

That'll be his last game I assume.

iroced · 21-10-2019 10:59AM

awec wrote: »

I think it's a non-event to be honest. Peyper is a referee and also a human. They're not robots.

French anger would be better directed at Vahaamahina.

I did not see nor hear much anger towards the ref to be fair. And we do blama Vahaamahina.

And Peyper ain't nothing like Joubert anyway!

jr86 · 21-10-2019 12:00PM

scott1974 wrote: »

That'll be his last game I assume.

Well he can only ref 2 out of the 4 left and most likely 1 out of those 2 will be a glorified exhibition

AbusesToilets · 21-10-2019 12:03PM

No Garces or Poite for the semis then? Shocking that Peyper keeps getting games, terrible ref.

jr86 · 21-10-2019 12:31PM

Gatland put it better than I ever could!

'How people interpret that is up to them. And obviously, the way things are and the way - how PC everyone is, people like to make mountains out of molehills'

Ardillaun · 21-10-2019 12:34PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

So??

I can guarantee that the refs are being photographed with fans of every nationality out there

He showed poor judgement there and judgement is his job. There is a public image side to it, given that he’s supposed to be impartial. Wait a few days before you’re caught laughing with Welshmen about the incident that ended France’s World Cup.

hahashake · 21-10-2019 12:39PM

Could be wrong but I'm assuming he knows he won't have the semis or final and is out partying. Not an excuse mind.

Professor Moriarty · 21-10-2019 12:40PM

Ardillaun wrote: »

He showed poor judgement there and judgement is his job. There is a public image side to it, given that he’s supposed to be impartial. Wait a few days before you’re caught laughing with Welshmen about the incident that ended France’s World Cup.

If nothing else, I wonder how French fans feels seeing that picture. Just after exiting the WC because of a game they probably would have won with 15. I know how I'd feel about a ref if it happened to Ireland. Inappropriate and unprofessional.

Rugby World Cup 2019 Japan The hunt for Webb Ellis

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