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Bishop says Yoga is not suitable for a parish school

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  • 18-10-2019 9:29pm
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/catholic-bishop-warns-against-yoga-and-mindfulness-in-schools-1.4055449

    Bishop of Waterford & Lismore Alphonsus Cullinan said yoga was not suitable for school

    Yoga is not suitable for a parish school, the Catholic bishop of Waterford & Lismore Alphonsus Cullinan has told schools in his diocese.

    In a letter to schools across Waterford, sent on October 10th, he also warned against mindfulness.

    Bishop Cullinane pointed out that yoga was “not of Christian origin”

    I am sure most school teachers would disagree. There is enough anxiety amongst young children already.

    Why don't the Roman church pick their battles a bit better? It's getting harder and harder to see why anyone darkens their doors anymore.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Do western practitioners of yoga even bring (presumably) hinduism into it in the first place?


  • Registered Users, Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,349 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    What a c*nt.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    He is dictating according to his religion and his pope:
    Pope Francis said “practices like Yoga are not capable of opening our hearts up to God”
    The schools can just ignore him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    I heard something recently where a priest criticised one of his parishioners who told him she had attended a meditation retreat at a Buddhist center in west Cork, the poor woman was very upset. My own Mum who's quite devout practices yoga, I'd like to see some clergyman tell her that yoga wasn't compatible with catholic teachings, she'd wipe the floor with him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,802 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Do western practitioners of yoga even bring (presumably) hinduism into it in the first place?

    If they have a clue, then yes they do.


    It's only ignorant westerners who think they can just grab practices from other cultures and re-purpose them without thinking about the philosophical underpinnings. Cultural rape, in effect.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    Well she either is devout or isn’t devout,

    Catholicism has a set of practices, ideology and beliefs that I presume a devout would follow.
    And judging by the appointed leader comments isn’t a favourable thing to do.

    I don’t get the hatred for the Catholic Church anymore.
    Nothing they do or say can be a surprise to anybody after what has been shown over the last few decades.

    What’s the point in saying the Catholic Church said this or did that or thinks that.
    If you don’t like it leave, it’s what most people do when they are tied to something they don’t agree with or a situation they are in, but somehow people don’t seem to apply that logic with the Catholic Church.

    If everybody did that they might finally F*** off


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 27 youknowitstrue


    i imagine the type of school that has yoga teachers also has children with the names Sebastian, Tarquin, Sloan, Jasper, India, Kingsley,Margaux, Brinsley, Orson, Quentin,Francesca and so on, you know the type.
    Nothing to see here more on, let them at it, they will all be hooked on antidepressants/coke and the rest by their mid 20's, Yoga will be the lest of their worries


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Copying this over from Waterford thread

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055531343&page=30

    My own view -
    people who complain are maybe missing the point namely the Bish is simply adhering very faithfully (!) to the doctrine of the religion which is his job. It's up to Catholics in the diocese to make their own decision about practicing aspects of Yoga faith and whether it is compatible with their "handed down" faith.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,481 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Catholicism in not suitable for school...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 27 youknowitstrue


    Catholicism in not suitable for school...
    Catholicism if you like it or not is the reason the West is more advanced/civilized than the rest of the world.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭coleen


    My yoga class takes place in a convent where nuns still reside. We never had any comment about whether yoga Should be allowed or not


  • Registered Users Posts: 824 ✭✭✭The chan chan man


    What a fcuking tool


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    coleen wrote: »
    My yoga class takes place in a convent where nuns still reside. We never had any comment about whether yoga Should be allowed or not
    It doesn't mean they agree with the practice. I'm sure there is tons of devout Christians going to yoga and don't even know what stance the pope takes on it (nor, I assume, do they care).


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,091 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    A course in Transcendental Meditation will help His Grace to chill.

    All he needs is an apple and a clean white handkerchief; nothing too spooky about that.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    If they have a clue, then yes they do.


    It's only ignorant westerners who think they can just grab practices from other cultures and re-purpose them without thinking about the philosophical underpinnings. Cultural rape, in effect.
    Well put and very true.

    Just because a person doesn't know what yoga poses are doesn't negate what they are.

    Ask a devout Hindu why they do it.
    I'm heading to India soon. My Indian friends are amazed at how the west has adopted it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    Says a man who wears a dress


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    Let’s see him push for math, science, English etc to be stopped as they are not of Christian origin too...


  • Registered Users Posts: 477 ✭✭FirstinLastout


    Catholicism if you like it or not is the reason the West is more advanced/civilized than the rest of the world.

    Utter feckin' nonsense!


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    he also warned against mindfulness

    Of all the battles to pick! Does he not have any more pressing concerns at all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 975 ✭✭✭decky1


    strange this , the church would normally 'bend over backwards' to help.


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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    i imagine the type of school that has yoga teachers also has children with the names Sebastian, Tarquin, Sloan, Jasper, India, Kingsley,Margaux, Brinsley, Orson, Quentin,Francesca and so on, you know the type.
    Nothing to see here more on, let them at it, they will all be hooked on antidepressants/coke and the rest by their mid 20's, Yoga will be the lest of their worries

    Honestly cringing while imagining the kind of person that typed this out.

    Catholicism is dead. Thank f*ck. I'll piss on the doorway of the next church I see in Sebastian, Tarquin, Sloan, Jasper, India, Kingsley,Margaux, Brinsley, Orson, Quentin,Francesca's honor.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Two years ago I would have said he was nuts; today I think he's 100% correct. Primary schools are being turned into New Age indoctrination camps churning out solipsistic, credulous, consumerist drones and the public aren't even noticing. I'm aware how nuts I now sound and that I'll probably get a rolleyes or two replying to this post but I've seen enough evidence to convince me. I expect this issue to blow up in a big way over the next couple of years, firstly at the "nutty fringes" of the internet, then in the mainstream as people begin to realise how we've been swindled.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,018 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Catholicism if you like it or not is the reason the West is more advanced/civilized than the rest of the world.

    Username not compatible with comment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,050 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Firstly the bishop didn't just think this up. It came from teachings of the Pope. But what is strange is why the Bishop felt the need to write and send the letter when he must have realised what the consequences would be.

    At a time when the Catholic Church is struggling to direct schools not to do something as inoffensive as yoga and mindfulness with the reason that it is against the teachings of the Catholic Church does nothing more than alienate an already bemused and struggling audience.

    Whatever the origin of yoga, what is being practiced in schools is simply relaxation and exercise with nothing for the religious teachings. His issue with mindfulness is it's being done in religious class but breathing and emptying ones mind is probably the best way of praying.

    I'm not sure how Buddhism was raised but you can practice Buddhism and Catholicism. Buddhism is not a religion but spiritualism. It is basically agnostic but teaches goodness. Catholics can be both and if bishops disagree then they are breaking their own churches teaching. While the Pope has a lot of good points he is moving too much to the past which will wreck any positive work he has done.

    If the bishop is going to the trouble of writing to schools he should ask for more positive things rather than a don't do that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    Username not compatible with comment.

    Nor yours.

    It would have been a fairly standard belief system amongst educated people in say the 70s that Catholicism and Christianity was essential for the rise of the west out of the dark ages.

    One of the best things you can do is buy it rent the old television series “Civilisation” by Kenneth Clark. It’s a product of a much better educated age.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,050 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Nor yours.

    It would have been a fairly standard belief system amongst educated people in say the 70s that Catholicism and Christianity was essential for the ruse of the west out of the dark ages.

    One of the best things you can do is buy it rent the old television series “Civilisation” by Kenneth Clark. It’s a product of a much better educated age.

    The catholic c hurch claimed scientists like Galileo and claimed them as heretics. Most science such as evolution is seen as blasphemous. Role of women was as servants. Contraception is outlawed.

    To say that Catholicism was essential for ciVilisation to evolve is as far from the truth as possible.

    How do you think it was essential? As opposed to Greeks assistance with philosophy, culture, etc. Or rome


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,018 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Nor yours.

    It would have been a fairly standard belief system amongst educated people in say the 70s that Catholicism and Christianity was essential for the ruse of the west out of the dark ages.

    One of the best things you can do is buy it rent the old television series “Civilisation” by Kenneth Clark. It’s a product of a much better educated age.

    3 problems with that statement;

    1) The "Dark Ages" began with the fall of the Western Roman Empire in late 400's AD. Catholicism was widespead for most of that time. St. Patrick was in Ireland in early 400's AD.

    2) The "Dark Ages" were actually quite enlightened. The Carolingian Renaissance occurred only 300 years after the fall of the Western Roman. Plenty of industrial and agricultural improvements and advances were made in Europe.

    3) People only apply the "Dark Ages" concept to Europe. Middle East and Asia were in flying form at this time (until to Mongols started killing everyone) and advances in mathematics and logic introduced to Europe.

    Total misconception to believe Europe was in the doldrums for centuries until widespread Catholicism raised it up. Definitely a hugely important factor in the development of the modern world, but we we wouldn't still be stuck in mud huts without it.


    To your second point, I have not watched Civilisation. Heard it's fantastic. I would be wary of the accuracy of 50 year old documentaries, but it's on Netflix so I'll give it a watch.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    joeguevara wrote: »
    The catholic c hurch claimed scientists like Galileo and claimed them as heretics. Most science such as evolution is seen as blasphemous. Role of women was as servants. Contraception is outlawed.

    I was talking about an long era prior to Galileo which is over emphasised anyway. Evolution isn’t seen as blasphemous in Catholicism btw. Contraception isn’t science.
    To say that Catholicism was essential for ciVilisation to evolve is as far from the truth as possible.

    How do you think it was essential? As opposed to Greeks assistance with philosophy, culture, etc. Or rome

    It was essential to end the dark ages that Christianity spread, as it spread literacy across the continent. Catholic Christians founded the university systems across Europe.

    Why not watch Ken Clarke’s civilisation.

    The supposed hostility between science and Christianity is over emphasised as well, of course. The west had a scientific and industrial revolution long before it became majority atheist. And the scientific revolution started, by most accounts, in the 16C, (per wiki) the publication in 1543 of Nicolaus Copernicus's De revolutionibus orbium coelestium (On the Revolutions of the Heavenly Spheres) is often cited as marking the beginning of the Scientific Revolution. It’s clear then that science originated in a Christian Europe.

    He was a canon or priest in the church. Many if not all of the scientists of the “enlightenment” (a bullsh1t term in my view) were Christian, as late as the 19C, Maxwell - the most important 19C physicist - was an elder in the scottish church.

    Arguing that science originated in spite of Christianity would mean that Christianity wasnt all that powerful, which isn’t true.

    And of course science evolved in Europe and nowhere else, it’s hardly out there to suggest that there’s something in the culture of Europe - in which Christianity plays a large part - that allowed it to develop there and not elsewhere.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,277 ✭✭✭Your Face


    Thread full of vomit.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    3 problems with that statement;

    1) The "Dark Ages" began with the fall of the Western Roman Empire in late 400's AD. Catholicism was widespead for most of that time. St. Patrick was in Ireland in early 400's AD.

    Christianity largely regressed after the fall of Rome. For instance the Anglo Saxons weren’t originally Christian which means that Britain de- Christianised for a while. The vikings weren’t Christian and were major impediments to civilisational growth given how destructive the raids were. The franks were pagan invaders of Christian Gaul. If these pagan tribes hadn’t Christianised it’s hard to see how Europe would have recovered, unless some kind of Roman Empire re-asserted.
    2) The "Dark Ages" were actually quite enlightened. The Carolingian Renaissance occurred only 300 years after the fall of the Western Roman. Plenty of industrial and agricultural improvements and advances were made in Europe.

    300 years is plenty long and the Carolingian Renaissance was a Christian Renaissance. I would end the dark ages about there, although there was a regression for a century.

    Most of the agricultural improvements were in the later Middle Ages. Clearly agricultural and industrial growth depend on stability not continuous raids.
    3) People only apply the "Dark Ages" concept to Europe. Middle East and Asia were in flying form at this time (until to Mongols started killing everyone) and advances in mathematics and logic introduced to Europe.

    Total misconception to believe Europe was in the doldrums for centuries until widespread Catholicism raised it up.

    This is totally confused. I didn’t say that the rest of the world wasn’t doing well in Europe’s dark ages since I was talking about Europe only and the supposed advances in matematics that came to Europe later on (your timeline is totally confused)
    were adopted and improved upon in Christian Europe.


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