Ionity charging network

charlieIRL · 07-10-2019 11:29AM

Thanks, maybe they only bill once a month.

I’d love to even get the stats of the charge, time / consumption etc but nothing is coming up on either app.

k123456 · 07-10-2019 11:30AM

Maingau You will get an email a few weeks after charging, with full details of the charge and the cost

eddhorse · 07-10-2019 04:02PM

slave1 wrote: »

This all sounds waaaaaaay too complicated, all this flapping around with cards and currency and foreign language, that would be near impossible for an elderly person to navigate versus pulling into any fuel station and filling up with petrol/diesel paying at the counter and leaving.

Well the government needs to do something alright and/or allow easy payment with your own bank card for them all.

eddhorse · 07-10-2019 04:04PM

unkel wrote: »

Yes & yes

The process of signing up and adding a payment method can be quite messy. But their technical support is decent to deal with.

EinfachStromLaden means easy charging

Super thanks, can a mod start a sticky on all apps and cards?

unkel · 07-10-2019 04:13PM

slave1 wrote: »

This all sounds waaaaaaay too complicated, all this flapping around with cards and currency and foreign language, that would be near impossible for an elderly person

It's early days. Even Norway, very far ahead of any other country, is still at the early adopter stage. Most of the world, Ireland firmly included, are still at the innovator stage

Elderly persons tend not to switch to new technology until late majority or laggard stage, which is more than 10 years away. There is time

charlieIRL · 07-10-2019 04:16PM

Once they bring in a card that works on all chargers, it will get a lot easier.

Did i read its touted for early next year - it can't come soon enough!!

liamog · 07-10-2019 04:31PM

Yeah they've plans to roll the card out to vending machines and physical stores too. I think its called Visa/Mastercard.

Some of the advanced providers allow you to load into your phone and use it that way.

unkel · 07-10-2019 04:36PM

You beat me to it

charlieIRL · 07-10-2019 04:45PM

hardy har har!!!

Johnboy1951 · 07-10-2019 04:45PM

unkel wrote: »

It's early days. Even Norway, very far ahead of any other country, is still at the early adopter stage. Most of the world, Ireland firmly included, are still at the innovator stage

Elderly persons tend not to switch to new technology until late majority or laggard stage, which is more than 10 years away. There is time

or until they become affordable to those who do not work!

Which probably means used and guaranteed.

I wonder how that will go ....

McGiver · 09-10-2019 11:04PM

Anyone tried Charge my EV app by Bosch for ionity? I use it to start/stop eCars chargers, they then send invoice with 0 value via email.

Mickeroo · 09-10-2019 11:09PM

McGiver wrote: »

Anyone tried Charge my EV app by Bosch for ionity? I use it to start/stop eCars chargers, they then send invoice with 0 value via email.

It gives me the option to try start the charger(with an obligation to pay), in theory it should work.

ELM327 · 10-10-2019 08:50AM

Wonder what the rate is? Do they give the €8 flat fee or other option

Mickeroo · 10-10-2019 08:52AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Wonder what the rate is? Do they give the €8 flat fee or other option

It's the flat fee, says so in the app. It actually says €8.22 so I assume they're adding on a bit for themselves too.

Munurty · 10-10-2019 09:48AM

Ground works seem to be starting at kill northbound. Digger, site office and precast cable chambers on site. Looks like a tight spot at the exit to service station.

I haven't spotted anything at kill south yet but again it's a tight site.

Hoping to get one in the new MSA at kilcullen which is opening at the end of the month. Gorey and Athlone circle k MSAs got them but proximity to kill go gainst it.

charlieIRL · 10-10-2019 11:17AM

McGiver wrote: »

Anyone tried Charge my EV app by Bosch for ionity? I use it to start/stop eCars chargers, they then send invoice with 0 value via email.

I got logged out of my account and can’t log in now. Even tried resetting my password but it’s not working.

Goldmark · 11-10-2019 12:22AM

I used Ionity in Moate Circle K earlier in the week. Only got 160 amps in Hyundai Kona is that the max? Not another EV in sight for the 40 mins I was there.

unkel · 11-10-2019 12:24AM

Ionity chargers are 500A max, so what you saw was a limitation of your car.

McGiver · 11-10-2019 12:46AM

charlieIRL wrote: »

McGiver wrote: »

Anyone tried Charge my EV app by Bosch for ionity? I use it to start/stop eCars chargers, they then send invoice with 0 value via email.

I got logged out of my account and can’t log in now. Even tried resetting my password but it’s not working.

Works OK for me...

ELM327 · 11-10-2019 08:55AM

Goldmark wrote: »

I used Ionity in Moate Circle K earlier in the week. Only got 160 amps in Hyundai Kona is that the max? Not another EV in sight for the 40 mins I was there.

Approx 60kW then? That's pretty poor speed, must have been cold?
The kona/eniro/soul dont do well in cold conditions for charging

Lumen · 11-10-2019 09:18AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Approx 60kW then? That's pretty poor speed, must have been cold?
The kona/eniro/soul dont do well in cold conditions for charging

That's normal speed for those cars.

Hyundai wrote:

Fast charging 54 min
** Up to 80% state of charge, if charged at a 100 kW DC charging station.

80% of 64kWh in 54 min is 57kW average.

Kia wrote:

64 kWh battery/150 kW motor: fast charge in 42 minutes with a fast charger from 80 kW and above (from 20 to 80%) / normal charge in 9.5 hours (up to 100%). 39.2 kWh battery/100 kW motor: fast charge in 42 minutes with a fast charger from 50 kW and above (from 20 to 80%) / normal charge in 6.5 hours (up to 100%).

60% of 64kWh in 42 min is 55kW average.

ELM327 · 11-10-2019 09:25AM

Lumen wrote: »

That's normal speed for those cars.

80% of 64kWh in 54 min is 57kW average.

60% of 64kWh in 42 min is 55kW average.

Following Bjorn's video of them charging on the 1000km challenge they should charge at 75-78kW to 57% SOC, then drop to 57kW until 73% SOC where they drop to mid 30's and then 22kW pretty quickly after that.

Average speed depends on what SOC was at the start and end I suppose.
Still pretty crap for something labelled as 100kW capable.

BigAl81 · 11-10-2019 09:28AM

Interesting to see just 55kW average on the Kona.

Would I be right in assuming the Ioniq can pull 70kW under the right conditions?

Lumen · 11-10-2019 09:34AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Still pretty crap for something labelled as 100kW capable.

Nowhere are they advertised as charging at 100kW.

It's arguably misleading, but since most people don't even understand percentages I have some sympathy for them trying to explain it.

They do provide the times to charge which is more relevant that peak charging speeds.

unkel · 11-10-2019 09:36AM

Quick google shows the 64kWh pack is 356V nominal according to the manual (so would be a 96S3P pack of 3.7V pouches) and that it can do 180A maximum

So 356 * 180 = 64kW

You were doing 356 * 160 = 57kW

Agree with ELM327, that's not great for a 2019 car with such a large battery. 1C max :rolleyes:

2016 Ioniq 28kWh charges at similar speeds on Ionity, so charges at nearly 3C max

Lumen · 11-10-2019 09:36AM

BigAl81 wrote: »

Interesting to see just 55kW average on the Kona.

Would I be right in assuming the Ioniq can pull 70kW under the right conditions?

A bit less but in the ballpark.

charging-with-hyundai-ioniq-electric-source-fastned.jpg

Source: https://insideevs.com/news/338777/lets-look-at-fast-charging-curves-for-popular-electric-cars/

ELM327 · 11-10-2019 09:36AM

BigAl81 wrote: »

Interesting to see just 55kW average on the Kona.

Would I be right in assuming the Ioniq can pull 70kW under the right conditions?

Ioniq starts at 62kW and rises to a peak 70-71kW at ~74% SOC

Lumen wrote: »

Nowhere are they advertised as charging at 100kW.

It's arguably misleading, but since most people don't even understand percentages I have some sympathy for them trying to explain it.

They do provide the times to charge which is more relevant that peak charging speeds.

I never said charging at 100kW, but they were initially advertised as 100kW capable (same as Ioniq was). Misleading.

Lumen · 11-10-2019 09:42AM

ELM327 wrote: »

I never said charging at 100kW, but they were initially advertised as 100kW capable (same as Ioniq was). Misleading.

Ah, I found some evidence of that. For Ioniq they still say:

"With IONIQ Electric, you can visit DC fast charging stations that charges your IONIQ up to 80% in as little as 23 minutes with up to 100kW charging"

Found by Google search for

"up to 100kW charging" site:hyundai.com

ELM327 · 11-10-2019 09:48AM

Lumen wrote: »

Ah, I found some evidence of that. For Ioniq they still say:

"With IONIQ Electric, you can visit DC fast charging stations that charges your IONIQ up to 80% in as little as 23 minutes with up to 100kW charging"

Found by Google search for

"up to 100kW charging" site:hyundai.com

Lets hope that's not for the new Ioniq.

:D:eek::eek:

unkel · 11-10-2019 10:33AM

Lumen wrote: »

Source: https://insideevs.com/news/338777/lets-look-at-fast-charging-curves-for-popular-electric-cars/

The red line is what I have seen reported from multiple sources. Seems reliable. Yet to try it myself on Ionity though

The blue line - not so sure. Any time I fast charge on a 50kW CCS charger, I get about 50kW straight away, no matter how empty I am. Indeed all the way up to about the point in the graph (a bit under 80%) where it starts throttling

Not so sure where they are getting the 42-49kW range from...

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