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Extinction Rebellion Ireland

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    #1202
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    sabat wrote: »
    I have no issues with people legitimately protesting outside Penneys but the second they go inside a private business then the cops need to go in hard. If the line isn't firmly established now then they'll take it as a green light to force their way into offices, public buildings, even people's homes.

    The poster said they were protesting outside, yet he wanted the police to beat the sh*t out of them. Why anyone would give a f*ck what people do to Penney's anyway is beyond me.


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    #1203
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    People should have an issue with Penney's, it's grotesque the amount of crap they produce, that no one really needs. Poor old billionaire polluting Penney's having to put up with a few kids protesting. Yeah get the police to smash up their faces.

    People who cannot afford high fashion have no issue with Penny's. If it's so important to make a protest by all means let them feck off to Penny's HQ and while their own the maybe stop off at the Indian and Chinese embassies to air their views aswell


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    #1204
    Plumbthedepths
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    The poster said they were protesting outside, yet he wanted the police to beat the sh*t out of them. Why anyone would give a f*ck what people do to Penney's anyway is beyond me.

    They were inside with a megaphone.


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    #1205
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    People who cannot afford high fashion have no issue with Penny's. If it's so important to make a protest by all means let them feck off to Penny's HQ and while their own the maybe stop off at the Indian and Chinese embassies to air their views aswell

    So you think fast fashion should continue as is, even though it's the 2nd biggest polluting industry in the world? You're ok with that? I mean it probably will continue this way, but that's what is killing the planet. And that's what people have a problem with.


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    #1206
    HorrorScope
    Closed Accounts Posts: 421 ✭✭HorrorScope


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    The poster said they were protesting outside, yet he wanted the police to beat the sh*t out of them. Why anyone would give a f*ck what people do to Penney's anyway is beyond me

    Because people work and shop there you ignoramous? True colors shown now though so good man - and yeah they absolutely deserve to get the **** kicked out of them by the gardai.


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    #1207
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    So you think fast fashion should continue as is, even though it's the 2nd biggest polluting industry in the world? You're ok with that? I mean it probably will continue this way, but that's what is killing the planet. And that's what people have a problem with.

    I think people will continue to buy what they can afford.
    You mean some people have a problem with it. So why aren't they bringing their protests to Penny's HQ or to the embassies of China/India/ Bangladesh where most of this fast fashion is manufactured? Maybe you will gave an answer instead of your usual tactic of responding to a question with a question.


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    #1208
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I think people will continue to buy what they can afford.
    You mean some people have a problem with it. So why aren't they bringing their protests to Penny's HQ or to the embassies of China/India/ Bangladesh where most of this fast fashion is manufactured? Maybe you will gave an answer instead of your usual tactic of responding to a question with a question.

    Penney's are the ones driving the production. They exploit poor people in these countries to get these garments for next to nothing at a huge cost to the environment. If you have a problem with this, protesting at their shops seems a good idea. I always thought the Henry St one was their HQ anyway.


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    #1209
    Guy:Incognito
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    The poster said they were protesting outside, .

    In the first sentence yeah. But then they continued and said they entered the shop. You could at least read a post before complaining.


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    #1210
    Plumbthedepths
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Penney's are the ones driving the production. They exploit poor people in these countries to get these garments for next to nothing at a huge cost to the environment. If you have a problem with this, protesting at their shops seems a good idea. I always thought the Henry St one was their HQ anyway.

    Pennys are responding to the market. Are you claiming Penny's are exploiting people. That's a serious allegation to make unless you can back it up. The garment industry introduced a code of practice several years ago which Penny's and others signed. Are you claiming they don't follow their own standards?


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    #1211
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,934 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Checkmate19 wrote: »
    Well to have a different opinion to the bandwagon one is allowed. Nobody knows really. Alot where saying come 2000 midnight they be mayhem with computers. Nothing. Scientists said butter bad now its it good. This stuff is not proven.

    Mayhem was averted because governments listened to the scientists and spent hundreds of billions preparing for it to avoid the mayhem.


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    #1212
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Pennys are responding to the market. Are you claiming Penny's are exploiting people. That's a serious allegation to make unless you can back it up. The garment industry introduced a code of practice several years ago which Penny's and others signed. Are you claiming they don't follow their own standards?

    They go there because they can have extremely cheap labour, that's what I thought anyway, why else would they be there. I don't think the super polluting business model of Penney's is something we should see as a good business. I used to live with a girl who'd buy a different dress there nearly every time she went out, and we needed about half of a skip to get rid of most of her stuff when moving flats once. That kind of behaviour should be discouraged.


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    #1213
    Plumbthedepths
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    They go there because they can have extremely cheap labour, that's what I thought anyway, why else would they be there. I don't think the super polluting business model of Penney's is something we should see as a good business. I used to live with a girl who'd buy a different dress there nearly every time she went out, and we needed about half of a skip to get rid of most of her stuff when moving flats once. That kind of behaviour should be discouraged.

    You alleged that Penny's are engaged in explotation, a simple question are you in a position to back up your allegation with proof?


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    #1214
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,934 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Plumbthedepths wrote:
    Pennys are responding to the market. Are you claiming Penny's are exploiting people. That's a serious allegation to make unless you can back it up. The garment industry introduced a code of practice several years ago which Penny's and others signed. Are you claiming they don't follow their own standards?


    If businesses were truly responding to the market, overall storage capacity in retail would be reducing due to this and modern manufacturing methods such as just in time etc, overall storage capacity is increasing. Retail would also not require highly manipulative industries such as marketing and advertisement, to sell their wears


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    #1215
    vriesmays
    Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    Ireland is outside the 50 worst countries for man-made carbon of which ¼ of comes from China. How does Penneys in O'Connell Street contribute to climate change.


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    #1216
    Wanderer78
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    vriesmays wrote:
    Ireland is outside the 50 worst countries for man-made carbon of which ¼ of comes from China. How does Penneys in O'Connell Street contribute to climate change.


    Does this really need to be explained!


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    #1217
    _Brian
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    20Cent wrote: »
    Mayhem was averted because governments listened to the scientists and spent hundreds of billions preparing for it to avoid the mayhem.


    This was propelled at the time by a cohort who then went on to make millions implementing "fixes" for the problem..
    It was nothing short of a charade, probably one of the biggest con jobs in the history of the state.


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    #1218
    Plumbthedepths
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    vriesmays wrote: »
    Ireland is outside the 50 worst countries for man-made carbon of which ¼ of comes from China. How does Penneys in O'Connell Street contribute to climate change.

    Well according to one of the geniuses protesting fast fashion is causing the sea levels to rise and Ireland will sink.
    This type of nonsense from some of these protesters is what ruins what credibility you could argue they have.


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    #1219
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    railer201 wrote: »
    I would agree, Planet Earth would probably fare out better without us ok.

    There is a saying I've heard which stems from the older deep ecology movement with regard to the dynamic earth - that the only environmentally friendly human - is a dead human.

    Btw that doesn't call for the end of humankind - - rather points out that the usual screamers can roar and protest and jump and down but in the big scheme of things they are no different from those they decry as 'not doing something' (whatever the fuk that is supposed to mean)

    Yeah and I've seen all the arguments for that and got the teeshirt and none of those arguments really stand up to scrutiny tbh.


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    #1220
    railer201
    Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭railer201


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Penney's are the ones driving the production. They exploit poor people in these countries to get these garments for next to nothing at a huge cost to the environment. If you have a problem with this, protesting at their shops seems a good idea. I always thought the Henry St one was their HQ anyway.

    In the 19th century thousands of people, including many Irish, were exploited in the Arkwright cotton mills in North West England but that was how they earned their living, it was either that or starve. XR clearly have missed this point. TBH their Penney's in-store megaphone stuff came across as positively cringeworthy, if not grossly unfair to Penney's itself.


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    #1221
    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,508 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    You have the IFA guy on the radio saying we produce the best beef the cleanest way in the world, and that Mersucor would mean destruction of the rainforests. Meanwhile importing millions of tonnes of soy from land that used to be said rainforests. What the f*ck like. It seems to me we have way way too many animals on this island if we can't even grow the food to feed them all. But people on these boards just seem to want to keep growing the industry and producing more and more.
    If people just stopped expecting to eat meat 3 times a day I'm sure everyone would pay a bit more. Or maybe it's because we produce so much of it that it's so cheap. Limit production, and put land to other uses that would encourage biodiversity.


    The vast majority of the soy fed to animals as feed is waste product from food processing.... for human food.


    Land doesnt need to be taken away from animal farming to improve biodiversity, it needs to be farmed along with nature which is possible if the intensity of production is dropped.


    The alternative to intensive animal farming isnt no animal farming.



    Its extensive farming using methods to increase animal welfare, improve the food produced and benifit the environment by sequestering carbon, using less fertilisers and pesticides, and having animals live in as close to natural conditions as possible.. Promotiong traditional Irish breeds over intensive continental breeds.


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    #1222
    vriesmays
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Does this really need to be explained!

    Yes, I want to know how Penneys contribute to the 0.04% carbon in the atmosphere and how this affects our climate.


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    #1223
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    So we can keep increasing the herd while improving biodiversity? Can you back up that human soy thing too?


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    #1224
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Dickheads sitting on the road at Merrion Sq causing havoc for commuters. Seen a 2 vans lined up on Westland Row with what looked to be heavies in black. Hope they drag the crusties off the road. Climate change is real but this is not the way to protest.


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    #1225
    Plumbthedepths
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    So we can keep increasing the herd while improving biodiversity? Can you back up that human soy thing too?

    You made a claim about Pennys without backing it up, yet you want someone to back up their comments. Hypocrisy at its finest.


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    #1226
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,934 ✭✭✭20Cent


    _Brian wrote: »
    This was propelled at the time by a cohort who then went on to make millions implementing "fixes" for the problem..
    It was nothing short of a charade, probably one of the biggest con jobs in the history of the state.

    Even conspiracy theories require some plausibility.

    F


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    #1227
    lleti
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 271 ✭✭lleti


    Shameful carry on.

    The managers in Penneys or the guys on the tills are just trying to make a living. They don't give a **** about Penneys so inconveniencing them doesn't do anything. The guys that actually own Penneys or run it are far away.


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    #1228
    Thelonious Monk
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You made a claim about Pennys without backing it up, yet you want someone to back up their comments. Hypocrisy at its finest.

    Ok they don't exploit their staff. Still massive polluters though.


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    #1229
    is_that_so
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    20Cent wrote: »
    Mayhem was averted because governments listened to the scientists and spent hundreds of billions preparing for it to avoid the mayhem.
    You really have no idea what you're talking about here.


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    #1230
    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,508 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    So we can keep increasing the herd while improving biodiversity? Can you back up that human soy thing too?


    Missread things anyway you want, but nowhere did I say we can increase the herd and improve biodiversity..


    Reading that into what I posted is at best stupid but instead more likely a usual misrepresentation of someone's post to further your argument.


    I couldnt be arsed with this sort of intentionally ignorant posting.


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    #1231
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,271 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    is_that_so wrote: »
    You really have no idea what you're talking about here.

    tu quoque


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