Alberto Salazar banned for 4 years

is_that_so wrote: »

Hassan? Sounds like you didn't need much convincing if the views of a clearly still traumatised individual sways you.

No Radcliffe.

Although I don't feel at all sorry for Hassan, she knew what she was getting into when she made the decision to go work with Salazar's crew.

KSU wrote: »

The same brand where the director of athletics threatened to kill the original whistleblower?

https://www.letsrun.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Full-John-Capriotti-Danny-Mackey-Police-Report.pdf

Well, if this director is a Nike employee, then yes, the same brand!

Marty Xavier wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if Nike are more involved with Salazar than we think.

In what way.
We know that the CEO was send a letter regarding the administration of L-C.. so the ceo for one knew what was going on

walshb wrote: »

Still waiting for the tests to show that his NOP athletes are actually cheats....

Albeit before the NOP branding

https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/33096367

walshb wrote: »

They are hugely involved, and that is why maybe they believe him to be honest and not a cheat.

Nike are a collection of people

USADA are a collection of people.

Neither has a monopoly on integrity.....

Maybe Nike believe in Salazar to be clean and honest because he is....

Maybe USADA want to get him any which way...

This will probably come down to levels. Salazar may well be, what some are claiming, an envelope pusher, and in pushing the envelope so far, he is bordering on rule breaking. But a deliberate PED cheat?

Still waiting for the tests to show that his NOP athletes are actually cheats....

Why would they want to get him any which way.. do you think they are taking it personally.. as opposed to his dodgy practice..


https://www.flotrack.org/articles/5065692-report-alberto-salazars-off-label-supplements-put-nop-athletes-at-risk

Guess we should also discuss the facts of the case rather than conjecture, personal thoughts, mindsets, etc.

https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/Salazar-AAA-Decision-1.pdf

Ross Tucker's podcast linked in this thread is also a great resource to summarise.

walshb wrote: »

They are hugely involved, and that is why maybe they believe him to be honest and not a cheat.

Nike are a collection of people

USADA are a collection of people.

Neither has a monopoly on integrity.....

Maybe Nike believe in Salazar to be clean and honest because he is....

Maybe USADA want to get him any which way...

This will probably come down to levels. Salazar may well be, what some are claiming, an envelope pusher, and in pushing the envelope so far, he is bordering on rule breaking. But a deliberate PED cheat?

Still waiting for the tests to show that his NOP athletes are actually cheats....

Same way Nike believe Lance was clean and trained at their centre:rolleyes:

walshb wrote: »

That’s exactly the point I made about levels here.

Rule breaking...

Salazar looks like has fallen afoul of the rules.

I am more wondering how many of his athletes actually ingested into their bodies, illegal/rule breaking PEDs...

I believe Mo, for example. He is likely clean; his wrong was his associating himself with a man who had suspicions..

Far too many want to jump from Salazar being a rule breaker, to all his athletes being PED users, with or without evidence to verify this..

That's why we need whistleblowers unfortunately.
Testing is so crap that the usual defense of "I never tested positive" is absolutely worthless. These guys know how to avoid testing positive like we know how to make a cup of tea.
We'll likely never get more definitive proof, especially as the years tick by.

For me the fact that Mo and the rest all back up Salazar instead of disassociating themselves from him, or more importantly, staying there for years in the first place is a sign of guilt.
You see it differently and hey ho enjoy your world. But all I'll say is educate yourself about how **** the tests are, how easy they're to pass, how rife doping is, how much money is to be made, how authorities try to hush it up instead of tackling it and maybe you're view will be less white and more black.

walshb wrote: »

You are really overstating this testing is abysmal angle..

If it was half as abysmal as you make out, then there would be next to nobody failing tests...

And, even if true, that doesn’t mean ALL are taking advantage of the abysmal testing to cheat..

My god man, read any book about it. I'd suggest Tyler Hamilton's but take your pick.

The fact that the abysmal tests are catching anyone is frightening in as much as how much goes undetected.

Here's an article from a few years back with an anonymous survey back in 2011... that the IAAF tried to stop getting published. What does that tell you about their will to clean up sport.
57% admitted to doping in the previous 12 months. Only 1-2% caught

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2017/aug/29/sport-doping-study-revealing-wider-usage-published-after-scandalous-delay

Ceepo wrote: »

There plenty of information out there on how easy it is to evade testing positive. Just watch Icarus or Mark Dalys documentary on micro dosing. Or a good quote from the book you mentioned."only the fools get caught"

You do realise that there is none so blind than them that dont want to see..

I'd agree 100% about abysmal testing, however it does actually catch a few so it mightn't be a great system its still better than none.

Icarus is good yeah. Depressing, but good.

Testing wise, I used to agree.
Now I'm coming to the conclusion more and more that's it's just a tool to allow a defense for athletes to say they are innocent. And the uninformed public will generally believe them as they've got the AD tests to back them up. Federations are happy and can hold their head high, pat themselves on the back and say good job.

I don't know what the answer is, thought the biological passport would have helped, but it doesn't seem to have made much difference.
No idea what the solution is.

Statement from Dathen Ritzenhien

Dathan Ritzenhein
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The news of Alberto Salazar’s and Dr. Brown’s ban has taken a few days to settle in. While it was not easy to testify against someone who was once so close to me, I chose to assist and cooperate fully with USADA’s investigation into all practices done at the Nike Oregon Project


Dathan Ritzenhein
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@djritzenhein
(NOP). I can attest this was a vigorous and comprehensive process. I stand behind the findings of the panel. These findings are important to continue to promote clean running in our sport. I hope these conclusions provide some reassurance to clean runners everywhere.

walshb wrote: »

So all the ones that made it, took it?

What is to make it, btw?

Sonia take it to make it? Remember, she did make it! Not all the time.. but some of it!

I think there's a big difference today vs back then TBH.
EPO is such a game changer, especially for endurance events. The African athletes weren't yet dominating back then as well (which was a good sign for the sports integrity based on what we know now).
EPO was only starting to work it's way into athletics I think in the mid to late 90s. After coming into cycling a little earlier. The anabolics era of the 80s had also been brought a little under control by then (all those 80s WRs still to this day!!).
She might just have been lucky with the distance running era she landed into, well except for the Chinese.
I've certainly never heard any rumours or scandal concerning SO'S. But who really knows.

KSU wrote: »

He joined group off the back of that, it was actually at Daegu he got in contact with Salazar. Before that he was still with college coach.

He has been very defensive over that however it’s worth noting he is still on Nike Payroll in marketing role IIRC

Am I right in saying he didn't stay long in the NOP and joined another Nike training group fairly close by?