The Strike is over. What happens now?

visatorro · 07-10-2019 05:10PM

mf240 wrote: »

Got shafted over a lorry of fert with them a few years ago. Wouldn't be in a hurry back.

Same here

whelan2 · 07-10-2019 05:14PM

mf240 wrote: »

Got shafted over a lorry of fert with them a few years ago. Wouldn't be in a hurry back.

You'd wonder how lads only buy off them. They are being rode on price

kk.man · 07-10-2019 05:24PM

whelan2 wrote: »

You'd wonder how lads only buy off them. They are being rode on price

Their beef and sheep feeds were questionable years ago. I don't know what they are like since but I haven't been back to sample it.

aphextwit · 07-10-2019 06:03PM

Agriland details the concerns of ICSA about the appointment of task force chairman. I felt the same when I heard the news. The disastrous and humiliating outcome of the first talks combined with indifferent and uncertain outcomes of the second round does not bode well.

mf240 · 07-10-2019 07:34PM

whelan2 wrote: »

You'd wonder how lads only buy off them. They are being rode on price

Lads that can't get credit of independent merchants have no choice.

whelan2 · 07-10-2019 07:47PM

mf240 wrote: »

Lads that can't get credit of independent merchants have no choice.

I know that but there are lads buying wholesale to get the loyalty bonus. Paying extra for feed to get a few cents that we should have been getting in milk price any way

mf240 · 07-10-2019 07:50PM

whelan2 wrote: »

I know that but there are lads buying wholesale to get the loyalty bonus. Paying extra for feed to get a few cents that we should have been getting in milk price any way

Ya I don't know why lads buy off them.

tanko · 07-10-2019 08:01PM

mf240 wrote: »

Ya I don't know why lads buy off them.

Stockholm Syndrome.

Siamsa Sessions · 07-10-2019 08:52PM

tanko wrote: »

Stockholm Syndrome.

Family tradition for some too - sure it’d be like voting for some other party if you didn’t get it all off the creamery

Base price · 08-10-2019 04:54PM

Base price wrote: »

Kepak has announced their new pricing structure and weight limitations. It ain't good reading :mad:

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/kepak-reveals-in-spec-bonus-pricing-structure-and-weight-penalties/

Ah, it makes sense now why Kepak are keen on cutting cows after reading this - https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/kepak-gains-usda-approval-for-access-to-us-burger-market/

Base price · 08-10-2019 05:36PM

Time will tell if the other beef plants follow suit and cut cow prices in their pursuit of this market.

Muckit · 08-10-2019 08:34PM

There's a definite message being given out. It depends what spin you want to put on it after that.

Kepak doesn't want any cow grading P= or lower or less than 2+ fat cover.

They are fine with O, R, U and E once they are not fed into a 5. And there is no upper weight limit. And weight is the big.multipier.

There will need to be more cohesion between dairy and beef producers simple as unless dairy farmers want to take it on the chin and plough on regardless.

Base price · 08-10-2019 08:41PM

Muckit wrote: »

There's a definite message being given out. It depends what spin you want to put on it after that.

Kepak doesn't want any cow grading P= or lower or less than 2+ fat cover.

There will need to be more cohesion between dairy and beef producers simple as unless dairy farmers want to take it on the chin and plough on regardless.

I read it the other way - Kepak know that there are large numbers of dairy cull cows within the system (P & O's) and they are going to hoover them up at small money to swell their profit margins. Cute hoors..

Muckit · 08-10-2019 08:54PM

I don't think there's any problem with Os. Yes Ps will be hammered and anything with no fat cover.

Muckit · 08-10-2019 08:56PM

Will dairy lads react to it in their breeding policies? Will be interesting. It's not their main revenue so may be irrelevant.

Water John · 08-10-2019 09:05PM

They own the problem so dairy guys have to deal with it as it will affect their milk cheque.

mf240 · 08-10-2019 09:09PM

Base price wrote: »

Ah, it makes sense now why Kepak are keen on cutting cows after reading this - https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/kepak-gains-usda-approval-for-access-to-us-burger-market/

Grass fed, apparently.

Water John · 08-10-2019 09:10PM

That will give you a premium burger!!!

mf240 · 08-10-2019 09:12PM

They look to be only paying a 12 cent bonus on under 16 months instead of the new 20 cent. Is that the case everywhere.

GrasstoMilk · 08-10-2019 09:14PM

Water John wrote: »

They own the problem so dairy guys have to deal with it as it will affect their milk cheque.

How so? I'm.still going to keep breeding the same size 550kg cow we always have.
No Intention of breeding bigger HO's or adding another breed like fleck or montbelliard.
We never relied on cull cow price or calf price here, nothing has changed - for us any way.

On another thread they're wondering about if it's worth while buying land, if you're want to do it you'll do it. Simple as. If land came up in the morning that suited us we'd be on for it

maidhc · 08-10-2019 09:32PM

Might interest some of you:

http://opac.oireachtas.ie/Data/Library3/Library3/DCT143007.pdf

Bass Reeves · 08-10-2019 09:36PM

mf240 wrote: »

They look to be only paying a 12 cent bonus on under 16 months instead of the new 20 cent. Is that the case everywhere.

U16 month bulls were not in the agreement for 20c bonus

Base price · 08-10-2019 09:46PM

mf240 wrote: »

Grass fed, apparently.

Stand corrected but all Bord Bia approved beef and milk is grass fed.

cute geoge · 08-10-2019 09:56PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

How so? I'm.still going to keep breeding the same size 550kg cow we always have.
No Intention of breeding bigger HO's or adding another breed like fleck or montbelliard.
We never relied on cull cow price or calf price here, nothing has changed - for us any way.

On another thread they're wondering about if it's worth while buying land, if you're want to do it you'll do it. Simple as. If land came up in the morning that suited us we'd be on for it

It is not the price of calves or culls that will effect you but your problem will be that you will not shift your ****ty calves going forward so you will end up having to buy the land for your ****ty calves

GrasstoMilk · 08-10-2019 10:08PM

cute geoge wrote: »

It is not the price of calves or culls that will effect you but your problem will be that you will not shift your ****ty calves going forward so you will end up having to buy the land for your ****ty calves

I have my own solution for my "****ty" calves thank you very much!

older by the day · 08-10-2019 10:08PM

The last few farm walks I was at, the advice was to breed dairy bulls that were negative in maintenance. That they converted food to milk better. So advisers differ and farmers cry

mf240 · 08-10-2019 10:11PM

Base price wrote: »

Stand corrected but all Bord Bia approved beef and milk is grass fed.

How do they account for shed finishing and feedlots though,

Base price · 08-10-2019 10:26PM

mf240 wrote: »

How do they account for shed finishing and feedlots though,

Ah now, don't go down that rabbit hole :rolleyes:

Timmaay · 08-10-2019 10:28PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

How so? I'm.still going to keep breeding the same size 550kg cow we always have.
No Intention of breeding bigger HO's or adding another breed like fleck or montbelliard.
We never relied on cull cow price or calf price here, nothing has changed - for us any way.

On another thread they're wondering about if it's worth while buying land, if you're want to do it you'll do it. Simple as. If land came up in the morning that suited us we'd be on for it

The way I see it, culls and calves are worth about 2.5 to 3c/l (that's say 600e for the cow and 50e for the calf), what the lads with the smaller jex are simply doing is accepting half that, so let's say 1.5c/l, however they are more than gaining it all back with higher solids.

wrangler · 08-10-2019 10:34PM

mf240 wrote: »

How do they account for shed finishing and feedlots though,

Beef Plan are on about this too, there's enough rules and regulations in farming without Beef Plan dreaming up more.

Here's a quote from Bord Bias beef promotion

''We raise Irish beef cattle on a pasture-based system to allow as much time grazing on our lush grasses as possible—for a minimum of six months each year.

During winter months, our animals are housed to ensure the utmost animal welfare and to avoid environmental damage. Then their conserved grass diet is supplemented with grain feed to safeguard optimal nutrition.

Unless they say 100% grass fed it's not compulsory to have them fully grass fed.

The Strike is over. What happens now?

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