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How would getting married affect our social welfare allowances?

  • 18-08-2009 12:45PM
    #1
    NiamhEile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭


    I am on one-parent-family payment, and he is on the dole. If we were to get married (in a registry office) one day (i.e. if we didn't want to wait years until we become rich and famous!), how would that affect our payments? What would we then be entitled to? Obviously I would not then be entitled to One-parent-family payment... Just wondering if it would be silly to go and get married when we just don't have the means to provide for our family without help at the moment... If we're still entitled to enough social welfare to get by on until things come together for us, then I would like to marry. Any advice would be appreciated! Thank you


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  • #2
    Xiney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,085 ✭✭✭Xiney


    He'd be entitled to an increase on his dole for a qualified adult (135 euro or so) and child (26)

    You'd lose the one parent family payment.

    If neither of you are working, you may be entitled to rent supplement.

    If you're working, and he's on Jobseeker's Allowance (means tested) then your means will be taken into account for his payment.


  • #3
    NiamhEile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭NiamhEile


    Thank you very much! For such a prompt and helpful reply!


  • #4
    Noddy45
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 ✭Noddy45


    We’re thinking of getting married but we lived together for a long time and were both getting the normal welfare payments... I know that our benefits will be cut short but just wondering what will they do if they find out we’ve been living together... will they just cut the benefits to both of us, will we have to pay back any monies?


  • #5
    Portsalon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Portsalon


    Noddy45 wrote: »
    We’re thinking of getting married but we lived together for a long time and were both getting the normal welfare payments... I know that our benefits will be cut short but just wondering what will they do if they find out we’ve been living together... will they just cut the benefits to both of us, will we have to pay back any monies?

    Translation - we've been ripping off the DEASP for years and wonder what they'll do to us if they find out!

    Answer: they'll either prosecute you if the amount ripped off is significant - unlikely - or they'll chase you to refund the overpayment until (literally) your dying day. They'll do this by reducing your weekly payments by up to 15% until the overpayment has been recouped.


  • #6
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Noddy45 wrote: »
    We’re thinking of getting married but we lived together for a long time and were both getting the normal welfare payments... I know that our benefits will be cut short but just wondering what will they do if they find out we’ve been living together... will they just cut the benefits to both of us, will we have to pay back any monies?

    Go into your local SW office tomorrow and tell them you are now living together. I assume one of you has been giving a false address up until now?


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  • #7
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,633 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Go into your local SW office tomorrow and tell them you are now living together. I assume one of you has been giving a false address up until now?

    That's fraud.....

    Other poster you need to sort this or it's going to get very messy.


  • #8
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    That's fraud.....

    Other poster you need to sort this or it's going to get very messy.

    What is fraud? If they go in and tell SW that they are living together then is that not the truth?


  • #9
    Portsalon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Portsalon


    splinter65 wrote: »
    What is fraud? If they go in and tell SW that they are living together then is that not the truth?

    Don't SW normally ask people to declare the date from which they commenced cohabiting?

    Presumably you're suggesting that they lie about this?


  • #10
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,633 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    splinter65 wrote: »
    What is fraud? If they go in and tell SW that they are living together then is that not the truth?

    You told them to go in and say from now which isn't true so they're committing fraud and you were advising them to do so....

    That's what fraud is ..


  • #11
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Portsalon wrote: »
    Don't SW normally ask people to declare the date from which they commenced cohabiting?

    Presumably you're suggesting that they lie about this?

    I can garuntee you that not an eyebrow will be raised as its far too much trouble to start investigating who lived where with whom for how long for the sake of €69 per week.


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  • #12
    whydoibother
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭whydoibother


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Go into your local SW office tomorrow and tell them you are now living together. I assume one of you has been giving a false address up until now?

    No false address but we live in the country so no house numbers. Anyway it’s only been one year we’re together since I’ve given up my job due to depression and moved in here. But yes we were a couple before that just not living together.


  • #13
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    You told them to go in and say from now which isn't true so they're committing fraud and you were advising them to do so....

    That's what fraud is ..

    Do you think it’s more economically prudent to launch a fraud investigation into how long who lived where with whom, trying to find evidence of cohabiting, for the sake of €69 per week, or accept their declaration and adjust the payment downwards from here out?
    Because I know what the position of SW is on this matter....


  • #14
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    whydoibother wrote: »
    No false address but we live in the country so no house numbers. Anyway it’s only been one year we’re together since I’ve given up my job due to depression and moved in here. But yes we were a couple before that just not living together.

    Is one of you on DA and the other on JSA?


  • #15
    whydoibother
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭whydoibother


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Is one of you on DA and the other on JSA?

    It’s not JSA. I know I’m entitled to them monies. Even if we were married already, I’d be entitled to it. It’s now that I’m worried about because it’s been a year so I’m going on the normal DA soon... I’m a bit confused, sorry.


  • #16
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    whydoibother wrote: »
    It’s not JSA. I know I’m entitled to them monies. Even if we were married already, I’d be entitled to it. It’s now that I’m worried about because it’s been a year so I’m going on the normal DA soon... I’m a bit confused, sorry.

    I’m sorry I’m not following you at all.


  • #17
    whydoibother
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭whydoibother


    splinter65 wrote: »
    I’m sorry I’m not following you at all.

    I was working until last year in the same place for 4 years. Then my depression got worse so I had to give it up. What I’m getting now is something like illness benefit I think, but I think I’m entitled to it because I was working.


  • #18
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,633 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Do you think it’s more economically prudent to launch a fraud investigation into how long who lived where with whom, trying to find evidence of cohabiting, for the sake of €69 per week, or accept their declaration and adjust the payment downwards from here out?
    Because I know what the position of SW is on this matter....

    Answer it as it is.... It's fraud....

    It's simply a yes or no and I am right...


  • #19
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,601 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    NiamhEile wrote: »
    I am on one-parent-family payment, and he is on the dole. /QUOTE]


    I'd marry him fairly sharpish Niamh cause he sounds like a catch!


  • #20
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Are you both on disability?


  • #21
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,601 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Are you both on disability?


    He's on the dole.


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  • #22
    Ruraldweller56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    Social welfare fraud is rampant in this country.


  • #23
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    He's on the dole.

    Ok


  • #24
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Answer it as it is.... It's fraud....

    It's simply a yes or no and I am right...

    If you think that the dept should waste our money investigating this couple just so that you can be “right” then absolutely, yes you’re right, I’m sure you always are.
    On another thread you told a poster that there was a limit on the hours they could work while on DA. I don’t see you arguing with me about that?


  • #25
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    He's on the dole.

    No he’s not.


  • #26
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,633 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    splinter65 wrote: »
    If you think that the dept should waste our money investigating this couple just so that you can be “right” then absolutely, yes you’re right, I’m sure you always are.
    On another thread you told a poster that there was a limit on the hours they could work while on DA. I don’t see you arguing with me about that?

    What are you on about I never said anything about investigation and there is a limit one can work on disability allowance....


  • #27
    TrishaK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭TrishaK


    One person can be on DA/invp/CA and the other on a jobseekers payment without a limitation applying.


  • #28
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,444 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    OP, in your OP you said you were in OPFA.


  • #29
    wifey28
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭wifey28


    guys you really need to read thepost properly, the OP is from 2009!

    This new poster jsut posted underit today asking a similar question


  • #30
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,601 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    splinter65 wrote: »
    realdanbreen wrote: »
    He's on the dole.

    No he’s not.
    Well he better tell the woman that's thinking of marrying so! She said he's on the dole.


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