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Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

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    #2102
    A Shropshire Lad
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    So is the UK now is proposing for a complete change of policy in regards to customs checks at or near the border ?


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    #2103
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Patser wrote: »
    Seen this on Twitter, and it may be coincidental that they just needed new cars, but to me seems a bit too coincidental and looks like planning is being out in place

    twitter.com/bcab4eu/status/1179007997248454657
    Maybe they are made in the UK and they are stockpiling before the tariffs go on ?


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    #2104
    CelticRambler
    Registered Users Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    A Shropshire Lad wrote: »
    So is the UK now is proposing for a complete change of policy in regards to customs checks at or near the border ?

    At the moment, Tory Brexit proposals seems to be based on where the interviewee is in his/her "Choose Your Own Adventure" book. If even the supposed leader of Her Majesty's Government doesn't know what the latest scenario is, that's the only logical explanation! :pac:

    PS: Is my memory starting to fail, or did someone on the Brexiters side of the fence once say "We won't be putting up a border! The EU can put one up if they want, but we won't do that ..." ? :rolleyes:


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    #2105
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,564 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Certain headline in a certain tabloid right now
    Brexit breakthrough as France and Germany cave on backstop - Boris set for major victory

    The English working class bombarded with this quality "journalism" for 40 years


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    #2106
    Strazdas
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Certain headline in a certain tabloid right now



    The English working class bombarded with this quality "journalism" for 40 years

    Even if this was true (it's not), the ERG would probably vote down a time limited backstop anyway.


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    #2107
    Infini
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Certain headline in a certain tabloid right now



    The English working class bombarded with this quality "journalism" for 40 years

    That isnt even any sort of journalism thats blatent propaganda and should not be in any sort of publication. Then again this is the UK and since Boris got in they've basically gone full retard on everything.

    Honestly unless Boris is given the boot in the next fortnight its all but certain to be a crashout brexit as these clowns are for all intents and purposes noy interested in a deal only in trying to get their misapproiated cash ins and to hell with everyone else.


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    #2108
    Call me Al
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Who on NT is saying this?

    They often have Edwina Currie on who parrots this line ad nauseum. That is not the same as the station presenting a line that the EU are about to capitulate to UK demands.

    It was the 1st topic on the 7pm news bulletin on newstalk.


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    #2109
    liamtech
    Registered Users Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Spent 25 minutes searching for the origin of this 'Back Stop Time Limit' argument

    - 2 Insiders

    - A source familiar with the negotiations

    - A European Parliament Source

    Is that actually it? this does seem to be fake news but it does seem to be doing the rounds now

    is there any actual named source???

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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    #2110
    A Shropshire Lad
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    CelticRambler wrote: »
    PS: Is my memory starting to fail, or did someone on the Brexiters side of the fence once say "We won't be putting up a border! The EU can put one up if they want, but we won't do that ..." ? :rolleyes:


    I think many of them probably said the likes of that...


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    #2111
    Infini
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    liamtech wrote: »
    Spent 25 minutes searching for the origin of this 'Back Stop Time Limit' argument

    - 2 Insiders

    - A source familiar with the negotiations

    - A European Parliament Source

    Is that actually it? this does seem to be fake news but it does seem to be doing the rounds now

    is there any actual named source???

    At this stage its usually Brexiteer BS with no facts or credible sources to back it. Its been going for a while so its not even newsworthy anymore.


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    #2112
    liamtech
    Registered Users Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭liamtech


    nothing on headlines of sky news

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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    #2113
    prawnsambo
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    liamtech wrote: »
    Spent 25 minutes searching for the origin of this 'Back Stop Time Limit' argument

    - 2 Insiders

    - A source familiar with the negotiations

    - A European Parliament Source

    Is that actually it? this does seem to be fake news but it does seem to be doing the rounds now

    is there any actual named source???
    Of course not. There's a Tory Party conference going on. Some hack got a one to one with a Tory MP or spad and got fed this bullcrap, perfectly timed for the evening news and the tabloid newspapers' websites in order to get a bit of 'Oomph' going in the snorefest that is the CPC.


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    #2114
    liamtech
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    Infini wrote: »
    At this stage its usually Brexiteer BS with no facts or credible sources to back it. Its been going for a while so its not even newsworthy anymore.
    Of course not. There's a Tory Party conference going on. Some hack got a one to one with a Tory MP or spad and got fed this bullcrap, perfectly timed for the evening news and the tabloid newspapers' websites in order to get a bit of 'Oomph' going in the snorefest that is the CPC.
    - prawnsambo

    It is completely outrageous - 24 hours of madness and mental positions which are entirely designed to annoy the Irish, and cause us a lot of grief

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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    #2115
    Tell me how
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    Call me Al wrote: »
    It was the 1st topic on the 7pm news bulletin on newstalk.

    Ah, well then, I suspect it was followed by the standard 'That's according to....' which could range from a topless guy on the streets of Stevenage at 03:15 this morning to the PM saying so at the Tory party conference.

    Neither being particularly indicative of the real state of affairs.


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    #2116
    A Shropshire Lad
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    I wouldnt fancy trying to do a international trade deal with the UK post Brexit. How could anyone trust anything they negotiated with them ?


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    #2117
    liamtech
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    A Shropshire Lad wrote: »
    I wouldnt fancy trying to do a international trade deal with the UK post Brexit. How could anyone trust anything they negotiated with them ?

    Seem to recall hearing that an Australian politician dodged the question earlier today - didnt see the interview but apparently something along the lines of

    'Theoretically possible'
    'Not an Ozzy Priority'
    'EU and China are ahead in the line'
    'Back of the line for a Brexited UK'

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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    #2118
    prawnsambo
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    A Shropshire Lad wrote: »
    I wouldnt fancy trying to do a international trade deal with the UK post Brexit. How could anyone trust anything they negotiated with them ?
    Well the US will adopt their usual method of faxing the documents to them and telling them to sign. Other countries' mileage may differ. But I suspect that everyone will wait for a deal to be made with the EU first before making a move.


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    #2119
    Professor Genius
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    A Shropshire Lad wrote: »
    She sounds well posh to me !

    Not the way she drops the ‘g’ at the end of her verbs. It’s quite gratin’ once you notice it


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    #2120
    Call me Al
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Ah, well then, I suspect it was followed by the standard 'That's according to....' which could range from a topless guy on the streets of Stevenage at 03:15 this morning to the PM saying so at the Tory party conference.

    Neither being particularly indicative of the real state of affairs.

    You asked who was saying it. It's being reported as their headline news, and was just broadcast to the country as their headline news, based on two unnamed sources who spoke to a reporter with Bloomberg. Not based on a substantive press release or official EU source.


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    #2121
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    liamtech wrote: »
    Seem to recall hearing that an Australian politician dodged the question earlier today - didnt see the interview but apparently something along the lines of

    'Theoretically possible'
    'Not an Ozzy Priority'
    'EU and China are ahead in the line'
    'Back of the line for a Brexited UK'

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111394079&postcount=2013


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    #2122
    Tell me how
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    Call me Al wrote: »
    You asked who was saying it. It's being reported as their headline news, and was just broadcast to the country as their headline news, based on two unnamed sources who spoke to a reporter with Bloomberg. Not based on a substantive press release or official EU source.

    Then I think most listening would have heard it in that context and not viewed it simply as NT are presenting something as fact. As I expected.


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    #2123
    FrancieBrady
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    liamtech wrote: »
    Seem to recall hearing that an Australian politician dodged the question earlier today - didnt see the interview but apparently something along the lines of

    'Theoretically possible'
    'Not an Ozzy Priority'
    'EU and China are ahead in the line'
    'Back of the line for a Brexited UK'

    Julia Gillard, former PM.


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    #2124
    Sam Russell
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    A Shropshire Lad wrote: »
    She sounds well posh to me !

    You can get a posh voice by going to a posh school (posh = expensive, private).

    Many of the Ugandan Asians did very well in the UK because they were able business people which is why Idi Amin expelled them. Most left wih little or nothing.


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    #2125
    liamtech
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    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111394079&postcount=2013

    WOOOOOW - thats not just dashing hopes thats almost a slap!

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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    #2126
    Professor Moriarty
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Certain headline in a certain tabloid right now



    The English working class bombarded with this quality "journalism" for 40 years

    The Express. Of note from the article:

    Headline, as you said:

    Brexit breakthrough as France and Germany cave on backstop - Boris set for major victory

    Then:

    The Prime Minister could be offered the major concession in the coming days in the hope of sealing a Brexit deal. Brussels could offer a time-limit if the UK agrees to keep the measure to avoid customs checks on the Irish border after Brexit. In a drastic shift, Northern Ireland would be kept in the EU’s customs union but for a limited period of time.

    Then:

    Dublin has long argued that any time-limited mechanism would cease to be a backstop. The offer entirely relies on the Irish prime minister giving his blessing to the plan.

    Then:

    A spokeswoman said: “The EU is not considering this option at all. We are waiting for the UK to come forward with a legally operational solution that meets all the objectives of the backstop.”


    So Johnson defeats the Germans and the French. Then it's possible that they will agree to his demands. Then it's the Irish who are blocking a deal. Then the EU says Johnson's plan is rubbish.

    From glorious victory to the EU says No. All in one article. Amazing.


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    #2127
    maebee
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    Quote:
    Brexit breakthrough as France and Germany cave on backstop - Boris set for major victory

    Absolute BS. Similar to the headline "Victory to Boris" after his meeting with Merkel when she caved in and "granted him 30 days". LOL

    The word Victory and Boris cannot be used in the same sentence. He has had nothing but losses since he took office.


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    #2128
    Tell me how
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    liamtech wrote: »
    Seem to recall hearing that an Australian politician dodged the question earlier today - didnt see the interview but apparently something along the lines of

    'Theoretically possible'
    'Not an Ozzy Priority'
    'EU and China are ahead in the line'
    'Back of the line for a Brexited UK'

    Think the back of the line is being taken that she actually said it. She didn't. Femi tweeted that that was effectively what she was saying but her words were not as clear cut as that.

    She essentially said that Australia has done and will continue to negotiate trade deals and if the time comes to do so with the UK, then, they will.


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    #2129
    Kermit.de.frog
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    Heads up. Jonathan Powell will be on newsnight at 10:30

    Always a good, intelligent, articulate watch.


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    #2130
    Kermit.de.frog
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    The Express. Of note from the article:

    Headline, as you said:

    Brexit breakthrough as France and Germany cave on backstop - Boris set for major victory

    Then:

    The Prime Minister could be offered the major concession in the coming days in the hope of sealing a Brexit deal. Brussels could offer a time-limit if the UK agrees to keep the measure to avoid customs checks on the Irish border after Brexit. In a drastic shift, Northern Ireland would be kept in the EU’s customs union but for a limited period of time.

    Then:

    Dublin has long argued that any time-limited mechanism would cease to be a backstop. The offer entirely relies on the Irish prime minister giving his blessing to the plan.

    Then:

    A spokeswoman said: “The EU is not considering this option at all. We are waiting for the UK to come forward with a legally operational solution that meets all the objectives of the backstop.”


    So Johnson defeats the Germans and the French. Then it's possible that they will agree to his demands. Then it's the Irish who are blocking a deal. Then the EU says Johnson's plan is rubbish.

    From glorious victory to the EU says No. All in one article. Amazing.

    You know as well as I do that the demographic target here will rarely actually read the article, just the mega font title.

    Job done.

    These "publications" have known this for 50 years.

    They respect the intelligence of their avid readers.


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    #2131
    A Shropshire Lad
    Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭A Shropshire Lad


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    You can get a posh voice by going to a posh school (posh = expensive, private).

    Many of the Ugandan Asians did very well in the UK because they were able business people which is why Idi Amin expelled them. Most left wih little or nothing.


    Indeed. An expensive school and a few quid. Maybe even some elocution lessons along the way


    Thats the thing they often say in Britain, it doesnt matter where someone starts out in life, if you make a few quid you are more likely to vote Tory.


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