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Saving/Applying for a mortgage 2015/16/17/18/19

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭whatever76


    sorry if folks already aware of this but no harm mentioning again … it was news to me a few months back as I was just doing reg. saving for Morgtgage deposit - BOI have this offer or Mortgage saving account … https://personalbanking.bankofireland.com/save-and-invest/savings/regular-savings-accounts/mortgagesaver-account/exclusive-offer-for-first-time-buyers/

    2k ( less DIRT) when you draw down ( few conditions but a good offer if you are FTB and in middle of deposit saving) … this does not impact any cashback offer for actual Mortgage as wel


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭Craftylee


    Is it me or does the BOI "lure" people in with these nice offers of cash - but you get totally nailed on the interest compared to other lenders? It feels like they're distracting you with "look over here with our awesome chashback" while in the other hand you're paying back a much higher % interest.

    Example:
    5 Year Fixed rate mortgage from BoI (3.9% APRC)
    Loan amount: €162,000
    Total cost: €233,054
    Total interest: €71,054
    Property price: €180,000
    Loan-to-value ratio: 90%
    5 years of €898.45/month (3% interest rate)
    15 years of €995.26/month (4.5% interest rate)

    Compared with say a no thrills mortage from KBC:

    5 Year Fixed rate mortgage from KBC (3.5% APRC)
    Loan amount: €162,000
    Total cost: €217,375
    Total interest: €55,375
    Property price: €180,000
    Loan-to-value ratio: 90%
    5 years of €882.32/month (2.8% interest rate)
    15 years of €913.53/month (3.3% interest rate)

    That's a differecne of €15k in interest over the 20 years - or am I missing something?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭KingCong


    Craftylee wrote: »
    Is it me or does the BOI "lure" people in with these nice offers of cash - but you get totally nailed on the interest compared to other lenders? It feels like they're distracting you with "look over here with our awesome chashback" while in the other hand you're paying back a much higher % interest.

    Example:
    5 Year Fixed rate mortgage from BoI (3.9% APRC)
    Loan amount: €162,000
    Total cost: €233,054
    Total interest: €71,054
    Property price: €180,000
    Loan-to-value ratio: 90%
    5 years of €898.45/month (3% interest rate)
    15 years of €995.26/month (4.5% interest rate)

    Compared with say a no thrills mortage from KBC:

    5 Year Fixed rate mortgage from KBC (3.5% APRC)
    Loan amount: €162,000
    Total cost: €217,375
    Total interest: €55,375
    Property price: €180,000
    Loan-to-value ratio: 90%
    5 years of €882.32/month (2.8% interest rate)
    15 years of €913.53/month (3.3% interest rate)

    That's a differecne of €15k in interest over the 20 years - or am I missing something?

    Collect the BOI cashback then switch to another bank with better interest rates, like Ulster Bank or KBC. Or switch to EBS/PTSB first and collect more cashback before switching again to a bank with decent rates. You only lose on the cashback deals if you stay with the bank long term, people should be reviewing their mortgage at least yearly and switching if there's a better deal, like they do with electricity and gas utilities etc.


  • Administrators Posts: 55,019 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Craftylee wrote: »
    Is it me or does the BOI "lure" people in with these nice offers of cash - but you get totally nailed on the interest compared to other lenders? It feels like they're distracting you with "look over here with our awesome chashback" while in the other hand you're paying back a much higher % interest.

    Example:
    5 Year Fixed rate mortgage from BoI (3.9% APRC)
    Loan amount: €162,000
    Total cost: €233,054
    Total interest: €71,054
    Property price: €180,000
    Loan-to-value ratio: 90%
    5 years of €898.45/month (3% interest rate)
    15 years of €995.26/month (4.5% interest rate)

    Compared with say a no thrills mortage from KBC:

    5 Year Fixed rate mortgage from KBC (3.5% APRC)
    Loan amount: €162,000
    Total cost: €217,375
    Total interest: €55,375
    Property price: €180,000
    Loan-to-value ratio: 90%
    5 years of €882.32/month (2.8% interest rate)
    15 years of €913.53/month (3.3% interest rate)

    That's a differecne of €15k in interest over the 20 years - or am I missing something?

    It is a complete waste of time to try and calculate what you'll really pay back over the total term of the mortgage. You have no idea what interest rates will be in 10 years time, you'll have no idea if you still live in the same house or whatever.

    Look at what your monthly payments will be at the start at the various interest rates, work it out for 5 or so years and see if the cashback makes sense. You don't get anything for free of course, but having a chunk of cash available up front can be beneficial, even if it means paying slightly higher interest over the first few years of your mortgage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭tomister


    KingCong wrote: »
    Collect the BOI cashback then switch to another bank with better interest rates, like Ulster Bank or KBC. Or switch to EBS/PTSB first and collect more cashback before switching again to a bank with decent rates. You only lose on the cashback deals if you stay with the bank long term, people should be reviewing their mortgage at least yearly and switching if there's a better deal, like they do with electricity and gas utilities etc.

    Also if you’re buying an A rated home you get a 0.2% off the interest rate. Now if you fix it then it’s only for the duration of the initial fixed period


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Blanco100


    what happens if you sell your house in 5-10 years (you borrow 250k, but over 30 years youre contracted to pay 350k including interest).

    Do you still have to pay the bank the full amount back including interest? or is there like a sliding scale?

    unbelievably stupid question i know


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Blanco100 wrote: »
    what happens if you sell your house in 5-10 years (you borrow 250k, but over 30 years youre contracted to pay 350k including interest).

    Do you still have to pay the bank the full amount back including interest? or is there like a sliding scale?

    unbelievably stupid question i know

    I came here to post a very similar question:

    Are there certain mortgage types where you can pay off lumps of the capital, above and beyond your regular payments every few years, which will have the effect of not only reducing the lifetime of your mortgage but also reducing the total interest payments?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    I came here to post a very similar question:

    Are there certain mortgage types where you can pay off lumps of the capital, above and beyond your regular payments every few years, which will have the effect of not only reducing the lifetime of your mortgage but also reducing the total interest payments?

    Variable rate mortgage let's you pay lump sums or pay off early.

    Fixed rate penalises you.


  • Administrators Posts: 55,019 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Blanco100 wrote: »
    what happens if you sell your house in 5-10 years (you borrow 250k, but over 30 years youre contracted to pay 350k including interest).

    Do you still have to pay the bank the full amount back including interest? or is there like a sliding scale?

    unbelievably stupid question i know

    Interest on a mortgage is accrued daily. If you pay it off at any time, you only pay interest up to that day. You do not pay future interest.

    So if you sell your house, your sale will pay off the mortgage, including the interest up to the day you pay it off. You owe nothing else.

    The total repayment amount you see when you take out a mortgage is just indicative of what you will pay if you pay that mortgage to completion, at that interest rate, with no lump sum payments. It is not a contract to pay that amount back.
    I came here to post a very similar question:

    Are there certain mortgage types where you can pay off lumps of the capital, above and beyond your regular payments every few years, which will have the effect of not only reducing the lifetime of your mortgage but also reducing the total interest payments?

    As you pay your mortgage, over time the interest payments get lower and lower. If you make a lump sum payment, you'll automatically pay less interest over time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭tomister


    I came here to post a very similar question:

    Are there certain mortgage types where you can pay off lumps of the capital, above and beyond your regular payments every few years, which will have the effect of not only reducing the lifetime of your mortgage but also reducing the total interest payments?

    There’s also an option to split your mortgage and have one portion fixed and the other variable. You can over pay into the variable portion without penalty (yearly bonus etc).
    Now it is in essence 2 mortgages and you’ll have 2 DD etc so may not be to everyone’s cup of tea


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 125 ✭✭elizunia87


    Guys
    How long does it usually take from sale agreed to receive the keys. It is a second hand house, no one lives there. Its been already one month and no news.
    Getting crazy. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭ChewBerecca


    elizunia87 wrote: »
    Guys
    How long does it usually take from sale agreed to receive the keys. It is a second hand house, no one lives there. Its been already one month and no news.
    Getting crazy. :(

    I'm at 4 months now. Hoping to get keys tomorrow.

    Vendor and their solicitor have not been helpful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Anyone here used Finance Ireland for their mortgage? Any pros or cons to them?




  • elizunia87 wrote: »
    Guys
    How long does it usually take from sale agreed to receive the keys. It is a second hand house, no one lives there. Its been already one month and no news.
    Getting crazy. :(

    A month is nothing really.

    If the house is vacant, it isn't in probate is it? Because that will take a long time to sort.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭JohnnyChimpo


    A month is nothing really.

    If the house is vacant, it isn't in probate is it? Because that will take a long time to sort.

    Probate can go quickly. Can be a lot quicker than waiting on a seller who's in a chain to move on as well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭scarepanda


    Hi All,

    We're bidding on a house at the moment and just doing up a proper/Final excel sheet of all additional costs of buying a house. From the following list, is there anything im forgetting?

    -Bank valuation fee (ive allowed €150, is this reasonable?)
    -Legal Fees
    -Stamp Duty
    -Surveyor fee
    -Rent (allowing 2 months jic)

    This might be a stupid question, but how quickly do the bills from the solicitors etc come in?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,584 ✭✭✭✭Creamy Goodness


    scarepanda wrote: »
    Hi All,

    We're bidding on a house at the moment and just doing up a proper/Final excel sheet of all additional costs of buying a house. From the following list, is there anything im forgetting?

    -Bank valuation fee (ive allowed €150, is this reasonable?)
    -Legal Fees
    -Stamp Duty
    -Surveyor fee
    -Rent (allowing 2 months jic)

    This might be a stupid question, but how quickly do the bills from the solicitors etc come in?

    Bank should be able to inform you of their valuation cost, I think AIB charged me €160.

    with regards to solicitors fees mine charged me one bill (itemised) as they received the funds from the bank, their bill for me was roughly €6k and that included stamp duty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭scarepanda


    Bank should be able to inform you of their valuation cost, I think AIB charged me €160.

    with regards to solicitors fees mine charged me one bill (itemised) as they received the funds from the bank, their bill for me was roughly €6k and that included stamp duty.

    Thank you!

    Does anyone know what PTSB charge? EDIT: Sorry, I just found it on PTSB website. Id looked before and couldnt see it.

    Is the valuation paid separately or at drawdown?


  • Administrators Posts: 55,019 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    scarepanda wrote: »
    Thank you!

    Were going through a broker, so ill pop him an email and see what the cost of the valuation is.

    Is the valuation paid separately or at drawdown?

    Valuation will need to be paid before the bank will release your funds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭scarepanda


    awec wrote: »
    Valuation will need to be paid before the bank will release your funds.

    Thank you! I figured as much, but just wanted to check.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭whatever76


    -Bank valuation fee (ive allowed €150, is this reasonable?)
    Yes - I paid 150 and you get this done after Survey report and you are happy to proceed with purchase if any doubt at all with survey result do not get one done

    -Legal Fees
    Depends on Solicitor but usual around 1% of the sale of house or could be less …… I have budget for 6.5 k ( inc 3200 stamp duty) so that's for everything

    -Stamp Duty
    1% of the sale price

    -Surveyor fee
    ranges from 500 - 600 euro - shop about first but advise go with a recommendation they are your friend in the process especially if 2nd house house

    -Rent (allowing 2 months jic)
    this maybe tight ... ideally if u can stop renting and move somewhere for a bit so not under pressure as its a long process with a lot of back and forth you don't want the stress of having to deal with a move out deadline of a house as well if things get delayed

    hope this helps - best of luck !
    Tough process … AM near the end I hope - where I am waiting for its was all worth it to kick in - not happening yet with all the things that need sorting :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭scarepanda


    Thank you for your post!

    We almost bought a place earlier in the year but missed out by 7 days while we were waiting for mortgage approval, so from then we have the solicitor priced and ready to go.

    Surveyor is a family friend, and hes ready to go, although i must touch base with him again.

    Rent has me a little worried. We have a sort of loose agreement with the Landlord from both ends that we give each other a few months notice if anything changes. this suits us if we end up buying. I think we plan to give him a heads up if/when we go sale agreed and hope he accepts a couple months notice once we sign contracts if we get that far. Moving and not renting isnt really an option if we can help it at all as we have 2 kids and 2 dogs to move as well so it would be a lot to land on any of the parents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭tomister


    Hey everyone,

    Have an odd query and wondering if anyone else has had the same. Not sure if this belongs here or in the Help to Buy thread...
    Bank have approved my mortgage this morning however have come back with a query on the Help to Buy.
    I've been approved on Help to Buy to the max €20k rebate however as the rebate is the lesser of the €20k or 5% of the purchase price of the house I would only be taking €14k (house is €280k).
    The underwriter has now come back requesting proof that I will only receive the €14k and not the full €20k. I thought this was odd as these are the rules set by Revenue and I will only be able to prove this once I submit the claim and to do this I need the loan pack.
    To be fair my mortgage advisor in the branch has been amazing and cannot understand why they are asking for this. We've gone back with an extract from the Revenue website hoping this will suffice.
    Contracts landed today and I would like to get everything closed off.
    Has anyone experienced the same?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,195 ✭✭✭Corruptedmorals


    elizunia87 wrote: »
    Guys
    How long does it usually take from sale agreed to receive the keys. It is a second hand house, no one lives there. Its been already one month and no news.
    Getting crazy. :(

    A month is nothing. Have you signed contracts? It takes time for insurance, valuation, survey and full loan pack to issue also. Standard time to close a sale is 3 months. They can be delayed for many reasons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭Dolbhad


    Anyone here used Finance Ireland for their mortgage? Any pros or cons to them?

    From what I’ve heard from my broker, it’s the bank you go to when every other bank has turned the client down for the mortgage. It is the mortgage lending part of Pepper. Pepper are more used to vulture funds so broker had said the mortgage department aren’t the best as for the most part don’t know what their doing. However I haven’t looked into interest rates etc.

    Also as other poster has said, people should be remortgaging every few years. It can be a bit of hassle doing paperwork and getting a solicitor involved. But usually the bank cover legal fees anyway and presumably if you used the solicitor to buy the house, they know the legal title and it shouldn’t be much. My sister recently remortgaged. She bought in 2013 so was a great time to buy and her LTV is very good now. She kept the same repayment capacity but knocked off 5 years off her mortgage. That’s well worth doing the paperwork.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Uglysoik1


    Hi all,

    I got an offer accepted on a property. Paid deposit etc.. Now the EA is asking to see the full amount on the AIP letter(which I blocked off) and my savings statements.

    Just wondering if this is normal, sounds very bizarre to me.

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭Dolbhad


    Uglysoik1 wrote: »
    Hi all,

    I got an offer accepted on a property. Paid deposit etc.. Now the EA is asking to see the full amount on the AIP letter(which I blocked off) and my savings statements.

    Just wondering if this is normal, sounds very bizarre to me.

    Thanks

    Very normal. Started around two or three years ago when market started taking off to show you weren’t a time waster and actually have funds to buy. What you did should be sufficient. If for some reason it’s not, you can get your solicitor or bank person to confirm you have funds to purchase the house instead of showing the amount on AIP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Dolbhad wrote: »
    From what I’ve heard from my broker, it’s the bank you go to when every other bank has turned the client down for the mortgage. It is the mortgage lending part of Pepper. Pepper are more used to vulture funds so broker had said the mortgage department aren’t the best as for the most part don’t know what their doing. However I haven’t looked into interest rates etc.

    Also as other poster has said, people should be remortgaging every few years. It can be a bit of hassle doing paperwork and getting a solicitor involved. But usually the bank cover legal fees anyway and presumably if you used the solicitor to buy the house, they know the legal title and it shouldn’t be much. My sister recently remortgaged. She bought in 2013 so was a great time to buy and her LTV is very good now. She kept the same repayment capacity but knocked off 5 years off her mortgage. That’s well worth doing the paperwork.


    Never ever go near Pepper

    My solicitor advised that 100% of the Pepper mortgages he has dealt with have had hassle. Established banks might take 3 months to do something and Pepper can take 9-12.

    I am dealing with them at the moment trying to release myself from a mortgage with them and they are a NIGHTMARE. It has taken about 2 years.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭whatever76


    Sorry if this is asked before - am close to draw down.
    FTB , 2nd hand house , PAYE worker - am I entitled to any Income tax credits /Mortgage relief ? I think I know the answer in that all this has been taken away but double checking...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,584 ✭✭✭✭Creamy Goodness


    whatever76 wrote: »
    Sorry if this is asked before - am close to draw down.
    FTB , 2nd hand house , PAYE worker - am I entitled to any Income tax credits /Mortgage relief ? I think I know the answer in that all this has been taken away but double checking...

    Nope. the dwelling has to be newly constructed as in the same year you buy it.


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