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Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

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  • #6272
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,873 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Has to be one of the oddest 'democracy's' on the planet. How could you begin to pretend that 'parliament is sovereign' if 'experts are divided' on whether or not a monarch has the power to hire and fire?
    Surely you need to categorically know these things...then call yourself a democracy.

    Given your consistent support for illegal terrorists hell-bent on undermining the democratic organs of the State, I can't be the only one who finds your constant carping on the shortcomings of British democratic institutions, nauseating.


  • #6273
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,732 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Given your consistent support for illegal terrorists hell-bent on undermining the democratic organs of the State, I can't be the only one who finds your constant carping on the shortcomings of British democratic institutions, nauseating.


    I never 'supported' terrorists ever FH. What happened here was 'all wrong'.

    I Just didn't give a free pass to our neighbouring pretend democracy when it came to apportioning blame for what happened on our island. That seems to endlessly offend some of my fellow islanders, who would rather attack me than face up to the facts about our neighbour's government and monarchical society.


  • #6274
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Has to be one of the oddest 'democracy's' on the planet. How could you begin to pretend that 'parliament is sovereign' if 'experts are divided' on whether or not a monarch has the power to hire and fire?
    Surely you need to categorically know these things...then call yourself a democracy.

    https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1178394011654148101?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1178394011654148101&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2058016732%26page%3D47

    https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/queen-sought-advice-sacking-prime-minister-638320

    there is nothing "Odd" about that at all, it is part of her constitutional role and seeking clarification of it sounds like a fairly sensible thing to do.

    From your article:
    A source claims that the monarch asked her aides for the first time for clarification on just when and how she could dismiss a prime minister who refuses to step aside.


  • #6275
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    I've been to Seaford. Lovely spot. Didn't think it had too many fascists.

    it was the fact there was someone young in Seaford that shocked me. I always thought it was god's waiting room.


  • #6276
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,732 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Aegir wrote: »
    there is nothing "Odd" about that at all, it is part of her constitutional role and seeking clarification of it sounds like a fairly sensible thing to do.

    From your article:

    In a democracy where parliament is 'supposed' to be sovereign the monarch asks can she sack the PM.

    Yeh...makes sense alright. :)


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  • #6277
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,936 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    In a democracy where parliament is 'supposed' to be sovereign the monarch asks can she sack the PM.

    Yeh...makes sense alright. :)

    she asks her advisers for advice. what a shock. do you expect her to make such a decision without asking for advice? Is she expected to be an expert on constitutional law?


  • #6278
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,732 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    she asks her advisers for advice. what a shock. do you expect her to make such a decision without asking for advice? Is she expected to be an expert on constitutional law?

    What the hell is a monarch doing having a decision like that to make in a supposed 'democracy' in the first place, is the point?

    What the hell is going on when 'advice' on a power like that has to be asked for?

    In fairness to the woman personally, she has had the sense not to use such powers.


  • #6279
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,936 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What the hell is a monarch doing having a decision like that to make in a supposed 'democracy' in the first place, is the point?

    What the hell is going on when 'advice' on a power like that has to be asked for?

    In fairness to the woman personally, she has had the sense not to use such powers.

    If you areasking what the hell is going on in the UK then you are not paying attention.They have a PM that says he will ignore a law becaue he doesnt like it. that is what is going on. If he does ignore it then he should be sacked as he is not fit for the job.


  • #6280
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,732 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    If you areasking what the hell is going on in the UK then you are not paying attention.They have a PM that says he will ignore a law becaue he doesnt like it. that is what is going on. If he does ignore it then he should be sacked as he is not fit for the job.

    If you or I 'ignore' or 'break' the 'law', we get arrested and brought to a court to stand trial.


  • #6281
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,936 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    If you or I 'ignore' or 'break' the 'law', we get arrested and brought to a court to stand trial.

    The law in question has no penalties specified.


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  • #6282
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,732 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    The law in question has no penalties specified.

    Not much of a 'law' then.

    Did somebody mention 'odd'. :D

    Edit: It is really an appalling place to allow your 'democracy' to be. If the monarch doesn't remove him = chaos, and if she does remove him = absolute chaos.


  • #6283
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I never 'supported' terrorists ever FH. What happened here was 'all wrong'.

    Oh, look. Its Monday morning and Francie is again lying. Odd that. :D


  • #6284
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Francie again dragging the thread off-topic because of his supremacist views.


  • #6285
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,783 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    markodaly wrote: »
    Francie again dragging the thread off-topic because of his supremacist views.

    If your post isnt off topic then I dont know what is.


  • #6286
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    maccored wrote: »
    If your post isnt off topic then I dont know what is.

    I am not the one constantly going on about the British constitution and getting a hard-on about the Monarchy conspiring with the PM.
    If people want to discuss the intricacies of the British constitution, then fine. Create a new thread about it.

    This is about Brexit.


  • #6287
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    In a democracy where parliament is 'supposed' to be sovereign the monarch asks can she sack the PM.

    Yeh...makes sense alright. :)

    the queen isn't asking whether or not she should sack parliament, she is asking on what basis should, or could she, sack the leader of her government.

    If parliament passes a no confidence motion and the PM refuses to step aside, then she could sack him, in order to uphold the will of parliament.


  • #6288
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,732 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Aegir wrote: »
    the queen isn't asking whether or not she should sack parliament, she is asking on what basis should, or could she, sack the leader of her government.

    If parliament passes a no confidence motion and the PM refuses to step aside, then she could sack him, in order to uphold the will of parliament.

    And if she decides not to = chaos.

    It's a tier of government that has the potential to subvert the 'will of parliament'. And is therefore the antithesis of a democracy where 'parliament is sovereign'.

    All going well 'parliament is sovereign' is what you are pointing to.


  • #6289
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    It's a tier of government that has the potential to subvert the 'will of parliament'. And is therefore the antithesis of a democracy where 'parliament is sovereign'

    and apparently, a position that is held by shape shifting lizards from the Illuminati :rolleyes:


  • #6290
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,732 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Aegir wrote: »
    and apparently, a position that is held by shape shifting lizards from the Illuminati :rolleyes:

    What? :confused:


  • #6291
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Brexit could well be the least of Johnson's problems - gropegate won't hurt with the raw meat crowd but if it's shown there was corruption vis-a-vis Jennifer Arcuri that could stick in the craw of the home owning classes of middle England

    And now Dominic Cummings wife has issued a statement saying she was not groped along with Charlotte Edwardes in 1999! :eek:


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  • #6292
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,116 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    What a nest of vipers. They make our bunch of gobshites look positively avuncular.


  • #6293
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    And now Dominic Cummings wife has issued a statement saying she was not groped along with Charlotte Edwardes in 1999! :eek:

    Was it alleged that it was her?


  • #6294
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Charlotte Edwardes said she was to one side of Johnson and she spoke with the woman on the other side who said she was groped likewise and it's been presumed that it was Cummings who was in that seat.

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1178632915510538240


  • #6295
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,732 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The UK is just taking the proverbial now. They couldn't care less what tensions they create here or what trouble they cause.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0930/1079253-border/?utm_source=xtremepush&utm_medium=webpush&utm_campaign=UK+proposes+customs+posts+on+both+sides+of+Irish+border+as+part+of+effort+to+replace+backstop%2C+RT%C3%89+News+understands.+For+more%2C+watch+the+Nine+O%E2%80%99Clock+News+%28xtremepush+%2313909655%29&utm_term=notification+%23199072838_488108271&utm_content=A


  • #6296
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,655 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    there was always going to have to be some sort of border, its about time we acknowledged that


  • #6297
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Quantum Erasure wrote:
    there was always going to have to be some sort of border, its about time we acknowledged that

    Of course. The only question is where.


  • #6298
    FunLover18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The UK is just taking the proverbial now. They couldn't care less what tensions they create here or what trouble they cause.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0930/1079253-border/?utm_source=xtremepush&utm_medium=webpush&utm_campaign=UK+proposes+customs+posts+on+both+sides+of+Irish+border+as+part+of+effort+to+replace+backstop%2C+RT%C3%89+News+understands.+For+more%2C+watch+the+Nine+O%E2%80%99Clock+News+%28xtremepush+%2313909655%29&utm_term=notification+%23199072838_488108271&utm_content=A

    How did nobody think of these alternatives before??


  • #6299
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,655 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    First Up wrote: »
    Of course. The only question is where.

    well, a full EU external border in the Irish Sea is obviously a non-runner,


  • #6300
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    well, a full EU external border in the Irish Sea is obviously a non-runner,

    Why obviously ?


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  • #6301
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,655 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    what UK government would allow it? theres no way it would pass a vote, no matter the make up of the parliament after a general election


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