Seafood

jam_mac_jam · 23-09-2019 05:39PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Its so bizarre how many irish people wont eat seafood. Mackerel and hake are my fave. I asked in the food forum but just got tumbleweeds but does anyone know where to buy European prawns in dublin because all they sell in supermarkets are prawns from slave boats in India or environment wrecking farms on reclaimed land in central America?

Have you tried the shops in howth. I have eaten them in Octopussy restaurant which I think is supplied by Dorans fishshop

suicide_circus · 23-09-2019 05:47PM

Ireland's aversion to seafood will mystify me til my dying day.

Ipso · 23-09-2019 06:26PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Ireland's aversion to seafood will mystify me til my dying day.

Maybe there is a taboo going back to experiences of rotten fish or something. I remember in Jared Diamond's book Collapse, he had a section on a failed viking colony in Iceland or Greenland where the people starved but they didn't seem to have fish as part of their diet and they were in an area with access to salmon, trout and arctic char in just the rivers.

suicide_circus · 23-09-2019 06:34PM

Ipso wrote: »

Maybe there is a taboo going back to experiences of rotten fish or something. I remember in Jared Diamond's book Collapse, he had a section on a failed viking colony in Iceland or Greenland where the people starved but they didn't seem to have fish as part of their diet and they were in an area with access to salmon, trout and arctic char in just the rivers.

yeah there must have been something that turned people away from it because there is plenty of archaeology showing people used to eat huge amount of seafood in ireland in ancient times.

Redneck Reject · 23-09-2019 06:43PM

Your better off catching it yourself. A few times a week I fish for brown trout in Killaloe.I'd never eat anything caught in the Shannon though.

Thelonious Monk · 23-09-2019 07:02PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Have you tried the shops in howth. I have eaten them in Octopussy restaurant which I think is supplied by Dorans fishshop

I have, the prawns are all from india etc. There are no prawns in Irish waters but I was hoping I might find some from Europe even.

Thelonious Monk · 23-09-2019 07:03PM

Ipso wrote: »

Barbequed mackerel taste amazing, but as a fish they have a strong smell and can start to whiff very quickly. I can understand how possibly back in the day (without refrigeration, etc) if people only experienced them when they were off it would really out them off it.
I only has Hake once, really enjoyed. I remember old fellas talking about catching them back in the day but I never saw any being caught, they must have been severely over fished.

Hake is everywhere now and cheap. I think in the past all anyone would eat is cod but now hake is far more plentiful. It's a much nicer fish I think, lovely texture.

jam_mac_jam · 23-09-2019 07:07PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Have you tried the shops in howth. I have eaten them in Octopussy restaurant which I think is supplied by Dorans fishshop

I have, the prawns are all from india etc. There are no prawns in Irish waters but I was hoping I might find some from Europe even.

Are dublin bay prawns not from Ireland?

Thelonious Monk · 23-09-2019 07:10PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Are dublin bay prawns not from Ireland?

It's just another name for langoustine. But that's not a prawn anyway! They can still be from anywhere though.

wexandproud · 23-09-2019 07:11PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I have, the prawns are all from india etc. There are no prawns in Irish waters but I was hoping I might find some from Europe even.

plenty of prawns in Irish waters . Lots of east coast boats fish them as do boats in Dingle , Rossaveal , and Galway .
your right about the hake though , readily available and beautiful to eat , way ahead of cod which is over rated .Even the poor relation the haddock is a beautiful fish to eat and not that expensive
langoustine is a prawn

jam_mac_jam · 23-09-2019 07:14PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Are dublin bay prawns not from Ireland?

It's just another name for langoustine. But that's not a prawn anyway! They can still be from anywhere though.

Oh ok. I thought langoustine was a type if prawn.

Thelonious Monk · 23-09-2019 07:20PM

wexandproud wrote: »

plenty of prawns in Irish waters . Lots of east coast boats fish them as do boats in Dingle , Rossaveal , and Galway .
your right about the hake though , readily available and beautiful to eat , way ahead of cod which is over rated .Even the poor relation the haddock is a beautiful fish to eat and not that expensive
langoustine is a prawn

Sorry yeah I meant we don't have the soft shelled ones that most people call prawns. This is a good article.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/food-and-drink/do-your-homework-on-prawns-before-you-eat-them-1.3113623

JohnnyFlash · 23-09-2019 07:25PM

A lot of our premium fish is being exported to markets who pay a higher price for it. Crab meat is a particular one - we consider it the poor relation of lobster, but Asians consider brown hard shell crab to one of the great delicacies. So all the huge claws are being exported and we are left with the miserable little efforts that don’t make the grade.

wexandproud · 23-09-2019 07:36PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Sorry yeah I meant we don't have the soft shelled ones that most people call prawns. This is a good article.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/food-and-drink/do-your-homework-on-prawns-before-you-eat-them-1.3113623

no bother . some of that farmed crap is injected with ''fillers'' before packing . Some of the best prawns in the world are caught on the porcupine bank off the west coast , they are frozen and packed at sea and as with all the good stuff we produce , they are straight to the continent

Thelonious Monk · 23-09-2019 07:38PM

wexandproud wrote: »

no bother . some of that farmed crap is injected with ''fillers'' before packing . Some of the best prawns in the world are caught on the porcupine bank off the west coast , they are frozen and packed at sea and as with all the good stuff we produce , they are straight to the continent

So what they're catching there are the hard shell mini lobster langoustine Dublin Bay Prawns things? It's all so confusing, I worked in the US in kitchens and prawns there were huge and called shrimp, then crayfish I think are mini lobsters like DBP, also in New Zealand they call lobster Crayfish. Ffs.

odyssey06 · 23-09-2019 07:45PM

We do have loads of crayfish in rivers. Unfortunately they are an invasive species and not safe for eating.
http://www.biodiversityireland.ie/projects/invasive-species/crayfish-plague/

Dublin Bay Prawns aka langoustines are really small lobsters. Tasty but with hard shells more difficult to peel - attack open.

gw80 · 23-09-2019 07:47PM

Whatever about all that other stuff, i wouldn't touch farmed salmon for many reasons,
The poor conditions the fish are kept in,
The toxicins
The poor quality of meat
And the detrimental effects it is having on wild salmon and sea trout.
All the pens at sea should be shut down.

gw80 · 23-09-2019 07:50PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

We do have loads of crayfish in rivers. Unfortunately they are an invasive species and not safe for eating.
http://www.biodiversityireland.ie/projects/invasive-species/crayfish-plague/

Dublin Bay Prawns aka langoustines are really small lobsters. Tasty but with hard shells more difficult to peel - attack open.

We do have a native spiecies of crayfish in ireland, we also have an invasive species from north America which is pushing out our native species and there is also a crayfish plaque which is killing the native species also.

Thelonious Monk · 23-09-2019 07:51PM

Yeah i don't eat salmon any more, there's feck all left in the wild and the farmed stuff seems awful. It takes something like 10kg of other fish to create 1kg of salmon. Steer clear.

wexandproud · 23-09-2019 07:52PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So what they're catching there are the hard shell mini lobster langoustine Dublin Bay Prawns things? It's all so confusing, I worked in the US in kitchens and prawns there were huge and called shrimp, then crayfish I think are mini lobsters like DBP, also in New Zealand they call lobster Crayfish. Ffs.

don't know a lot about that crap from india but it could be that the shell doesn't harden as they grow them so fast . Shrimp is a different critter all together just as lobster and cray's are different things but in some countries crayfish are called lobsters . would wreck your head all right
If your ever on the east or south coast during the summer go down some pier are get a few ''spider crab'' claws off someone . Streets ahead of any other shellfish and they are worth f..k all until you try and buy them in spain

wexandproud · 23-09-2019 07:53PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

We do have loads of crayfish in rivers. Unfortunately they are an invasive species and not safe for eating.
http://www.biodiversityireland.ie/projects/invasive-species/crayfish-plague/

Dublin Bay Prawns aka langoustines are really small lobsters. Tasty but with hard shells more difficult to peel - attack open.

no they're not

Thelonious Monk · 23-09-2019 07:54PM

wexandproud wrote: »

don't know a lot about that crap from india but it could be that the shell doesn't harden as they grow them so fast . Shrimp is a different critter all together just as lobster and cray's are different things but in some countries crayfish are called lobsters . would wreck your head all right
If your ever on the east or south coast during the summer go down some pier are get a few ''spider crab'' claws off someone . Streets ahead of any other shellfish and they are worth f..k all until you try and buy them in spain

I remember being in Wexford as a kid and my uncle bought some huge crabs down at the pier and we cooked them and they were delicious, not sure what they were though

IAMAMORON · 23-09-2019 08:11PM

Redneck Reject wrote: »

Your better off catching it yourself. A few times a week I fish for brown trout in Killaloe.I'd never eat anything caught in the Shannon though.

Highly ambiguous post redneck reject.

The last time I checked Killaloe is on the Shannon?

Why would you not eat it ? Does the same apply for anything you are catching on the Barrow or in the slaney for example?

Redneck Reject · 23-09-2019 08:15PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Highly ambiguous post redneck reject.

The last time I checked Killaloe is on the Shannon?

Why would you not eat it ? Does the same apply for anything you are catching on the Barrow or in the slaney for example?

The Shannon in Limerick is much more polluted than what you would find in Killaloe is what I meant.

odyssey06 · 23-09-2019 08:17PM

gw80 wrote: »

We do have a native spiecies of crayfish in ireland, we also have an invasive species from north America which is pushing out our native species and there is also a crayfish plaque which is killing the native species also.

Yes I think the native species is protected and so not for the table?
And the invasive species are carrying the plague and so also we cant just eliminate them by eating them?

Redneck Reject · 23-09-2019 08:20PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Yes I think the native species is protected and so not for the table?
And the invasive species are carrying the plague and so also we cant just eliminate them by eating them?

Yes your crayfish is protected. Which is a shame because once in a while I love a proper gumbo,heh.

NickNickleby · 23-09-2019 08:37PM

I love paella, but I can't eat the prawns. CAN'T eat them, unless they're the frozen ones that are already peeled/shelled or whatever. I can't seem to get the prawns out of their shells properly.

Someone mentioned Shrimps in the US. In the 1980's I visited family in California and one night they brought me out 'for shrimp'. I picked one up and bit it, nearly lost a tooth!! They were huge and I didn't know you had to get them out of their swimsuits first:o . And I've never subsequently learned how to do it properly. Also I don't know the difference between prawns and langoustines.

If I make seafood now, I use mussels, bits of cod/hake etc in a sauce.

Lastly: I recently discovered the delights of pan-fried fish, after watching Nevin Maguire on Youtube. Mrs Nick always coats the fish in seasoned flour, which I hate. Now, she never turns her nose up at my version (whoops, apologies Nevin) but if she gets at the pan, out comes the flour.

odyssey06 · 23-09-2019 08:55PM

Monkfish is lovely. But ugly. Savage teeth.

There seems to be inverse relationship between ugliness and flavour.

Dave Barry refuses to eat lobster and calls them the cockroaches of the sea!

Ipso · 23-09-2019 09:25PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Monkfish is lovely. But ugly. Savage teeth.

There seems to be inverse relationship between ugliness and flavour.

Dave Barry refuses to eat lobster and calls them the cockroaches of the sea!

The French use Gurnard as a base for a stew called bouillabaisse which is supposed to be lovely, only ever heard of Gurnards being used as bait for lobster.

Thelonious Monk · 23-09-2019 09:30PM

What I think is delicious is sea bream, I think it's from the med I've only had it on holidays you don't see it here

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