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Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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  • #9092
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,886 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Utter Consternation wrote: »
    Does that also count as a cyclist i wonder? specifically for places where the bike track is part of the footpath. I always thought the cyclist had to give way to cars turning in or pulling up to a stop to exit onto the main road.

    Case in point being here on the left:

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3020114,-6.3094091,3a,75y,215.45h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s08DNXsimRsLtCodEJ2uP8g!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D08DNXsimRsLtCodEJ2uP8g%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D180.21318%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192


    Don't think so. Its a silly rule letting people walk out on the side street if they want to.


  • #9093
    buffalo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,171 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Utter Consternation wrote: »
    Does that also count as a cyclist i wonder? specifically for places where the bike track is part of the footpath. I always thought the cyclist had to give way to cars turning in or pulling up to a stop to exit onto the main road.

    Technically, it looks like cyclists are drivers of vehicles and also pedestrians. So they have to yield and be yielded to if already crossing - so sounds like it's a race to the junction!
    4. (5) A reference to a vehicle in these Regulations shall, unless otherwise specified, mean a mechanically propelled vehicle (other than a mechanically propelled wheelchair) and a pedal cycle.

    (6) For the purpose of these Regulations, a pedestrian shall include a person in charge of a vehicle which is not mechanically propelled.
    8. (3) A driver of a vehicle approaching a road junction shall yield the right of way to another vehicle which has commenced to turn or cross at the junction in accordance with these Regulations and to a pedestrian who has commenced to cross at the junction in accordance with these Regulations.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/182/made/en/print

    There's also 1964 legislation, but I think this supersedes that.


  • #9094
    Utter Consternation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭Utter Consternation


    buffalo wrote: »
    Technically, it looks like cyclists are drivers of vehicles and also pedestrians. So they have to yield and be yielded to if already crossing - so sounds like it's a race to the junction!





    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/182/made/en/print

    There's also 1964 legislation, but I think this supersedes that.

    I usually err on the side of caution and yield anyways. Cars yielding to me often end up nearly getting rear ended because the driver behind them may not be paying attention.


  • #9095
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,065 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Mickiemcfist wrote: »

    Imagine how handy it would be to cycle in town if there was something like Drury street car park on each street.
    Imagine if we just actually enforced existing laws, so we'd have a reasonable chance of cycling through Ranelagh or Rathmines or George's St without getting blocked by a truck, a van or a 'just a few minutes' car. Imagine the revolutionary difference that would make to the cyclist experience.


  • #9096
    griffdaddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,425 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    Stark wrote: »
    You have right of way as a pedestrian if you're crossing a side road and someone is turning into the side road.

    Yeah I understand that but if I'm turning into a narrow side street, across an oncoming lane of traffic having signalled to turn right, if someone steps out onto the road without looking first it makes it very difficult to avoid them as I can't break in the middle of the main road. It usually happens when I'm turning right off the Harold's Cross Road into one of the side streets where the cottages are. Maybe I'm in the wrong but I'm not sure how else the situation could be avoided other than them looking before crossing


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  • #9097
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,038 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    griffdaddy wrote: »
    Yeah I understand that but if I'm turning into a narrow side street, across an oncoming lane of traffic having signalled to turn right, if someone steps out onto the road without looking first it makes it very difficult to avoid them as I can't break in the middle of the main road. It usually happens when I'm turning right off the Harold's Cross Road into one of the side streets where the cottages are. Maybe I'm in the wrong but I'm not sure how else the situation could be avoided other than them looking before crossing

    Sorry to be a pedant but this is the answer, someone steps out in front of you, rightly or wrongly, you should brake, whether you want to see that as a moral or legal judgement is upto you.


  • #9098
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,138 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    griffdaddy wrote: »
    Yeah I understand that but if I'm turning into a narrow side street, across an oncoming lane of traffic having signalled to turn right, if someone steps out onto the road without looking first it makes it very difficult to avoid them as I can't break in the middle of the main road. It usually happens when I'm turning right off the Harold's Cross Road into one of the side streets where the cottages are. Maybe I'm in the wrong but I'm not sure how else the situation could be avoided other than them looking before crossing
    So you know it's likely that someone will step out but fear braking on the main road?
    How exactly does that work out for you?


  • #9099
    griffdaddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,425 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    So you know it's likely that someone will step out but fear braking on the main road?
    How exactly does that work out for you?

    I'm talking about somebody stepping out without looking when I've already started to take the turn and could be halfway across the oncoming lane at this point. The volume of people/traffic/cyclists there means that there's very rarely a break in either oncoming traffic or pedestrians, as is the case with much of Dublin. The only pragmatic solution is for the pedestrian to look before they step out into traffic. I accept that legally I'm probably in the wrong but I don't see any other way to make the turn


  • #9100
    griffdaddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,425 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    Weepsie wrote: »
    Isn't that kind of the same as when drivers brush you off for not seeing you, or saying well you suddenly moved. I'm nearly always expecting a pedestrian to cross in those situations and would be cycling fairly slowly as a result

    Yeah maybe I should just take the turn slower in future but it's not the kind of place you'd want to be going too slowly with approaching traffic in the oncoming lane.


  • #9101
    cdaly_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭cdaly_


    griffdaddy wrote: »
    I'm talking about somebody stepping out without looking when I've already started to take the turn and could be halfway across the oncoming lane at this point. The volume of people/traffic/cyclists there means that there's very rarely a break in either oncoming traffic or pedestrians, as is the case with much of Dublin. The only pragmatic solution is for the pedestrian to look before they step out into traffic. I accept that legally I'm probably in the wrong but I don't see any other way to make the turn

    You take the turn, stopping if necessary (for pedestrians). At that point, traffic on the main road does not have a clear route in front of them (you're in the way) so they should slow down or stop until their way is clear.


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  • #9102
    micar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭micar


    Had 2 pieces of careless lazy driving.

    One yesterday and the other today.

    https://youtu.be/P8J71PO1zc0

    In fairness the guy in the second was apologetic.


  • #9103
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,874 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    griffdaddy wrote: »
    I'm talking about somebody stepping out without looking when I've already started to take the turn and could be halfway across the oncoming lane at this point. The volume of people/traffic/cyclists there means that there's very rarely a break in either oncoming traffic or pedestrians, as is the case with much of Dublin. The only pragmatic solution is for the pedestrian to look before they step out into traffic. I accept that legally I'm probably in the wrong but I don't see any other way to make the turn
    i don't recall ever really having this issue - less of an issue for cyclists, given the vehicle is narrow and it's not excessively difficult to avoid hitting a pedestrian.


  • #9104
    VW 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭VW 1


    micar wrote: »
    Had 2 pieces of careless lazy driving.

    One yesterday and the other today.

    https://youtu.be/P8J71PO1zc0

    In fairness the guy in the second was apologetic.
    Both of those spots on my route home, and both cause trouble at least once a week, definitely need to be well aware of what's ahead and around you when on the bike.


  • #9105
    magicbastarder
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    i live near the first spot, and don't really have that much trouble there. there's less hassle now at the next junction further on since they changed the lights to be more explicit.


  • #9106
    Viscount Aggro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Whats the position with motorists swinging over into cycling lane?
    I nearly got creamed near Belfield, driver turning out from a box junction, out of a housing estate.
    I let a roar, and he pulled alongside giving me verbal abuse.


  • #9107
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Viscount Aggro wrote: »
    Whats the position with motorists swinging over into cycling lane?
    I nearly got creamed near Belfield, driver turning out from a box junction, out of a housing estate.
    I let a roar, and he pulled alongside giving me verbal abuse.

    That’s the norm for a lot of motorists - no sense of personal responsibility and even when they’re in the wrong, they can’t just admit it like a mature adult and move on. Personally, I always assume a motorist is going to put me in danger, so try and cycle defensively as best I can. I have learned to ignore the beeps from irate motorists and instead in my head pretend they’re complementing my legendary cycling.


  • #9108
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Was driving out from Celbridge about 5.45 this evening. A car coming towards me overtook a cyclist really closely. His passenger actually put her hands over her eyes with fear. He had plenty of more room between us that he could have used, but really should have held back.


  • #9109
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Nearly got t-boned by a motorist breaking a late red, turning right onto Custom House quay coming from Tara Street. In fairness, there was no way she was going to see me - her head was craned checking for oncoming traffic through the green light from Aston Quay, who obliged her. A pesky bike in her way didn't seem to matter though.


  • #9110
    Utter Consternation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭Utter Consternation


    Cycling along past Wainsfort Road out of town yesterday evening. There was a lad in a van parked half in the cycle lane, half on the footpath facing me.

    I was cycling past and the back door of the van swung out and nearly smashed me. The guy opening it caught it. That was too close.


  • #9111
    purple hands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭purple hands


    Two baked eejits WALKING along the very narrow bike lane just after Leeson Street Bridge this evening. Second time encountering this...hate that junction in general.


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  • #9112
    Utter Consternation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭Utter Consternation


    I saw a lad on a bike hit a pedestrian who stepped off the footpath just after the KCR yesterday around half five. She stepped out as traffic was stopped and didn't see the cyclist coming.

    She said she was alright, but was holding her hip. The gobsh1te could at least have stopped to see how she was was. Fcuking tosspot was overtaking people a bit erratically too.

    He was togged out like a regular commuter who should have known better.


  • #9113
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,538 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    New home, new bike, new route. Same idiots. L driver too.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phVrC2psM_8


  • #9114
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    I hear you. I cycled the Strawberry beds for a while from Carpenterstown to City West a few years back. Some right wingnuts on that road. Needs speed ramps every 200 meters right to Lucan.

    You may have your own "you made me break my car " conversation.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=88490012


  • #9115
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,886 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Cyclists down in Lucan last night, collison witha a cement truck.

    I have a good idea how it happened but probably shouldn't say.

    But the cement trucks are flying around lucan and on the link road in careless manner. This was waiting to happen


  • #9116
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,138 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    average_runner wrote: »
    Cyclists down in Lucan last night, collison witha a cement truck.

    I have a good idea how it happened but probably shouldn't say.

    But the cement trucks are flying around lucan and on the link road in careless manner. This was waiting to happen
    I've been beeped several times by cement and dump trucks along the Newcastle rd simply for being there.
    Hopefully the cyclist is ok.


  • #9117
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,874 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i think i saw a tweet yesterday about an RTC involving a cyclist on leeson street too, DFB were present but were waiting for an ambulance before moving the cyclist.


  • #9118
    tnegun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭tnegun


    average_runner wrote: »
    Cyclists down in Lucan last night, collison witha a cement truck.

    I have a good idea how it happened but probably shouldn't say.

    But the cement trucks are flying around lucan and on the link road in careless manner. This was waiting to happen


    Could you PM me with what you think happened? I cycle that route daily and want to make sure I'm aware of and avoid the same if I'm not doing it already!


  • #9119
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,886 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    I've been beeped several times by cement and dump trucks along the Newcastle rd simply for being there.
    Hopefully the cyclist is ok.

    From what I heard, no life threatening injuries which is great


  • #9120
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,138 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    average_runner wrote: »
    From what I heard, no life threatening injuries which is great

    Just saw this: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/cyclist-rushed-to-hospital-following-collision-with-truck-in-dublin-38512302.html

    Thankfully...
    “The driver of the truck was uninjured,” the spokesperson said.


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  • #9121
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Just saw this: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/cyclist-rushed-to-hospital-following-collision-with-truck-in-dublin-38512302.html

    Thankfully...

    Anyone know the condition of the truck?


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