Sex for Rent - Raised in the Dail as issue of major concern

sabat · 18-09-2019 4:31pm

In Dublin alone there are about 2000 mainly college age women voluntarily prostituting themselves on one of those "arrangement" sites-mainly it seems to buy designer clothes and go on trips abroad. It's a bit rich to single out one old sleazebag when there's a general culture of amorality.

James Brown · 18-09-2019 4:35pm

sabat wrote: »

In Dublin alone there are about 2000 mainly college age women voluntarily prostituting themselves on one of those "arrangement" sites-mainly it seems to buy designer clothes and go on trips abroad. It's a bit rich to single out one old sleazebag when there's a general culture of amorality.

:rolleyes:

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Feisar · 18-09-2019 4:38pm

Why are people making a housing issue out of this?

18-09-2019 4:38pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Answering a direct question 'whatboutery' now? Yes, that would be a new level :rolleyes:

Matt Barrett wrote: »

If it were a male landlord? What if he grabbed your arse and told you you looked very pretty?
Not a stones throw from the aul' 'Rape? sure who wouldn't like surprise sex?' theory with that OP

That was answering a direct question?!

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It's being used as an example of how bad the rental market is. The harm would it being the behaviour of a scumbag I suppose and having to deal with it.

Having to refuse someone sex? From the evidence I have seen, the guy made a proposal, got refused and that was the end of it.

18-09-2019 4:40pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The harm is in the fact that the housing market is in such a state that people are having to pay with their bodies.

They don't have to. The woman refused.

18-09-2019 4:41pm

Homeless Guy wrote: »

Has a landlord ever gotten lucky doing this?

From your username, I take it you are interested?

Feisar · 18-09-2019 4:42pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It's sexual exploitation. Selling sex in an unregulated market in exchange for something as basic as a roof over your head, is a serious issue and it's very much a government issue.

I've no issue with sex work if it's regulated. But this is just exploitation.

It's government's job to keep housing stocks within reasonable bounds and they're failing at the moment.

If you can't separate the issue from the politician who raised it then that's really just a problem for you.

And they sex worker, what do they use their earnings on? Accommodation, food and drugs. Just because it's not the punter that provides the accommodation directly it's basically the same.

18-09-2019 4:45pm

Feisar wrote: »

And they sex worker, what do they use their earnings on? Accommodation, food and drugs. Just because it's not the punter that provides the accommodation directly it's basically the same.

All of them?

18-09-2019 4:46pm

Homeless Guy wrote: »

Find me a hot aryan blonde goddess and she can rape me every night.

Jesus man! Using Aryan and the "r" word together in a sentence?! You'll have the usual suspects deplatforming you before long!

Feisar · 18-09-2019 4:46pm

Deleted User wrote: »

All of them?

Sorry, some are kept in apartments.

James Brown · 18-09-2019 4:47pm

Feisar wrote: »

Why are people making a housing issue out of this?

Because it was raised as an example of the state of the rental market.

Deleted User wrote: »

That was answering a direct question?!

Assetbacked wrote: »

.... My point is that, as a guy, if the roles are reversed it is just not an issue. Therefore, I'm trying to understand how this could be as big a deal as to warrant raising it in the Dail.

Many have said same including the OP.

Deleted User wrote: »

Having to refuse someone sex? From the evidence I have seen, the guy made a proposal, got refused and that was the end of it.

If you don't see a problem, that's just dandy.

18-09-2019 4:48pm

Feisar wrote: »

Sorry, some are kept in apartments.

I'm in no way saying that there isn't a high percentage of sex workers who are doing so under duress, but do you honestly think that some people don't just do it out of their own free will?

Feisar · 18-09-2019 4:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus man! Using Aryan and the "r" word together in a sentence?! You'll have the usual suspects deplatforming you before long!

Ve have vays of making you not talk.

18-09-2019 4:50pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Many have said same including the OP.

I still don't see how that was in any way answering a direct question.

James Brown · 18-09-2019 4:52pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I still don't see how that was in any way answering a direct question.

Some people reversed the idea and asked would it be different. I suggested what if it were indeed a man but with a male landlord. Look, nothing to see here, don't worry about everything you don't get, we could be here a while.

Feisar · 18-09-2019 4:53pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm in no way saying that there isn't a high percentage of sex workers who are doing so under duress, but do you honestly think that some people don't just do it out of their own free will?

Ah the happy hooker. I'm sure there are however I'd say that's a minority. Plus sure it may be of their own free will and volition however I'd say most come from bad backgrounds. Pornstars for example, it's rarely the nice upbringing with white picket fence.

18-09-2019 4:55pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Some people reversed the idea and asked would it be different. I suggested what if it were indeed a man with a male landlord. Look, nothing to see here, don't worry about everything you don't get, we could be here a while.

Sorry absolutely my fault. I assumed when you said you were answering a direct question, that there was a direct question you were answering.

I didn't realise that by saying you were answering a direct question, what you actually meant was that you were putting forward ridiculous hypothetical "what if" scenarios and then bringing in "surprise sex" for some unknown reason.

sabat · 18-09-2019 4:55pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Cranberries...

Don't rolleyes me. By breaking that societal taboo and the lowest personal morality (on both sides of the transaction) being flaunted quite openly, a market has been created and prices are being established for the company of "a Dublin college girl." It then becomes natural for that to bleed through to normal society by making everyone either a potential product or consumer, even if they aren't participating or even have any knowledge of it.

James Brown · 18-09-2019 4:57pm

sabat wrote: »

Don't rolleyes me. By breaking that societal taboo and the lowest personal morality (on both sides of the transaction) being flaunted quite openly, a market has been created and prices are being established for the company of "a Dublin college girl." It then becomes natural for that to bleed through to normal society by making everyone either a potential product or consumer, even if they aren't participating or even have any knowledge of it.

You make it sound like prostitution for rent is common place and part of the selfie lifestyle. I was saying I think that's bollocks, but in a whimsical manner.

El_Duderino 09 · 18-09-2019 5:08pm

Feisar wrote: »

Why are people making a housing issue out of this?

Because it's a direct result of the current state of the housing market. Did you seriously not make that connection by yourself?

Eric Cartman · 18-09-2019 5:12pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm in no way saying that there isn't a high percentage of sex workers who are doing so under duress, but do you honestly think that some people don't just do it out of their own free will?

ahh schrodingers sex worker, feminists insist women are sexually equal to men and should be allowed do whatever they want and expose themselves however they want and sell pictures on the internet or sell sex if they want and its mens fault theyre oppressed, yet at the same time theres no way a woman would volountarily do it and men oppressing them is the only reason they do these things and so men must be punished for consuming these images / services.

osarusan · 18-09-2019 5:15pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Because it's a direct result of the current state of the housing market. Did you seriously not make that connection by yourself?

We don't know if that is the case though. It could be true that it's linked to the current accommodation shortage, but that hasn't been proven at all in this case.

El_Duderino 09 · 18-09-2019 5:21pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They don't have to. The woman refused.

That's true, that woman refused. But the point stands. The current state of housing has made survival sex prevalent. Including using sex as currency to pay for rent.

If you don't see that as an issue for government to address, then that's a very sad state indeed.

The UK government addresses this topic late last year. But it dealt with it by making rent sex illegal instead of trying to address their housing issue.

Ulysses Gaze · 18-09-2019 5:25pm

osarusan wrote: »

We don't know if that is the case though. It could be true that it's linked to the current accommodation shortage, but that hasn't been proven at all in this case.

It's Coppinger.

The same woman that has wanted to forcibly Nationalise private companies to solve employment relations issues and the same woman that presented womens underwear in the Dail to make some sort of statement on the legal system to Varadkar.

El_Duderino 09 · 18-09-2019 5:26pm

Feisar wrote: »

And they sex worker, what do they use their earnings on? Accommodation, food and drugs. Just because it's not the punter that provides the accommodation directly it's basically the same.

Yeah, sure. So a regulated market would be the solution.

Ulysses Gaze · 18-09-2019 5:32pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah, sure. So a regulated market would be the solution.

With the current, pretty recent, regulation, the Government has turned its back on potentially regulating the market and making it safer. And also turned its back on potential tax income as well.

El_Duderino 09 · 18-09-2019 5:44pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

ahh schrodingers sex worker, feminists insist women are sexually equal to men and should be allowed do whatever they want and expose themselves however they want and sell pictures on the internet or sell sex if they want and its mens fault theyre oppressed, yet at the same time theres no way a woman would volountarily do it and men oppressing them is the only reason they do these things and so men must be punished for consuming these images / services.

You don't see that there are some kinds of prostitution that are grand (not for me but boney of my business) and so e kinds are coercive, some are out of desperation and in some cases there's survival sex. The latter three leave the seller vulnerable and ripe for exploitation.

Can you seriously say you don't see any difference between them? Or why the government would have more interest in some types, than others?

Eric Cartman · 18-09-2019 5:47pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You don't see that there are some kinds of prostitution that are grand (not for me but boney of my business) and so e kinds are coercive, some are out of desperation and in some cases there's survival sex. The latter three leave the seller vulnerable and ripe for exploitation.

Can you seriously say you don't see any difference between them? Or why the government would have more interest in some types, than others?

but you could say that working as a cleaner is a 'survival job' nobody would choose it if they had options.

I think human traficked people, drug addicts etc... working in the sex trade fall in to a vulnerable category alright , but if a woman is claiming that she was out of all other options except to trade her body for a room at the moment then she really wasn't thinking that hard.

El_Duderino 09 · 18-09-2019 5:49pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

With the current, pretty recent, regulation, the Government has turned its back on potentially regulating the market and making it safer. And also turned its back on potential tax income as well.

Pity.

James Brown · 18-09-2019 6:05pm

osarusan wrote: »

We don't know if that is the case though. It could be true that it's linked to the current accommodation shortage, but that hasn't been proven at all in this case.

We do know it was brought forward to stress the current state of the rental market.

osarusan · 18-09-2019 6:11pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

We do know it was brought forward to stress the current state of the rental market.

That's true but Coppinger would hardly be the first to misrepresent something for political gain.

It might be the case here, as struggling tenants being exploited for sex is something that does happen, but there needs to be more evidence in this case.

James Brown · 18-09-2019 6:17pm

osarusan wrote: »

That's true but Coppinger would hardly be the first to misrepresent something for political gain.

It might be the case here, as struggling tenants being exploited for sex is something that does happen, but there needs to be more evidence in this case.

We can say that about every politician. Where do we go from here?

It's at worst an anecdote on how bad the rental market has become. That's her goal, to raise awareness.

osarusan · 18-09-2019 6:19pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It's at worst an anecdote on how bad the rental market has become.

We don't know that's true either. This guy might have tried the same line with every female tenant he has ever had (and male too, sure why not) in good rental markets and bad.

suicide_circus · 18-09-2019 6:21pm

isnt sex a meaningless and trivial act? haven't we separated sex and commitment through technology, drugs and social change?

El_Duderino 09 · 18-09-2019 6:27pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

but you could say that working as a cleaner is a 'survival job' nobody would choose it if they had options.

I think human traficked people, drug addicts etc... working in the sex trade fall in to a vulnerable category alright , but if a woman is claiming that she was out of all other options except to trade her body for a room at the moment then she really wasn't thinking that hard.

LOL. Survival cleaning.

The people in survival sex might not have been thinking very hard, might be very stupid (learning disabled) might have drug addictions, might have been coerced. What difference does it make?

If you don't want to understand the issues around survival sex, then there's no point me explaining them to you, is there?

El_Duderino 09 · 18-09-2019 6:28pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

isnt sex a meaningless and trivial act? haven't we separated sex and commitment through technology, drugs and social change?

You can make that argument if you want. I probably wouldn't agree.

weldoninhio · 18-09-2019 6:28pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

LOL. Survival cleaning.

They people in survival sex might not have been thinking very hard, might be very stupid (learning disabled) might have drug addictions, might have been coerced. What difference does it make?

If you don't want to understand the issues around survival sex, then there's no point me explaining them to you, is there?

Survival sex hahahahaha

El_Duderino 09 · 18-09-2019 6:30pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Survival sex hahahahaha

?

suicide_circus · 18-09-2019 6:31pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You can make that argument if you want. I probably wouldn't agree.

i dunno...i think its clear there has been a sustained effort over the last 40 years to make sex as inconsequential as possible.

LoughNeagh2017 · 18-09-2019 6:48pm

There is a lot of this carry on in England, students giving land lords blowjobs, etc for rent. I can't really comment, I would do the same, I probably would even give the blowjobs for free rent.

On second thoughts, it would be cheaper paying an escort as they would cost less than the money you lose on the rent.

ChikiChiki · 18-09-2019 6:55pm

I think she is right to raise it in the Dail. It's not the first case I have heard along these lines. It's a real unprecedented side effect of the rental market being the worst it's ever been.

Expect more if these stories. The power that the nastiest landlords (of which there are very few, not generalising) hold over their tenants is shocking.

ChikiChiki · 18-09-2019 7:00pm

Wedge of Lime wrote: »

osarusan wrote: »

That's true but Coppinger would hardly be the first to misrepresent something for political gain.

It might be the case here, as struggling tenants being exploited for sex is something that does happen, but there needs to be more evidence in this case.

If a tenant is failing to pay the agreed rent the landlord is being exploited.

Doesn't give the creep a right to prey on the tenants vulnerability. It's predator behavior.

James Brown · 18-09-2019 7:07pm

osarusan wrote: »

We don't know that's true either. This guy might have tried the same line with every female tenant he has ever had (and male too, sure why not) in good rental markets and bad.

We do know it was used to raise awareness of the rental sector situation because it was used to raise awareness of the rental sector situation. That's how it's in the news in the first place.

El_Duderino 09 · 18-09-2019 7:22pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

i dunno...i think its clear there has been a sustained effort over the last 40 years to make sex as inconsequential as possible.

I dunno much after reading your argument.

Ultimately, you can value sex as inconsequential as you want. It died t mean others have to.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 18-09-2019 7:26pm

There's literally thousands of Irish women on a particular website that'll suck you off for cash/jewelery/holidays, they're on it by choice, they're literally whoring themselves out.

Where's the outrage?

mrmorgan · 18-09-2019 7:27pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

There's literally thousands of Irish women on a particular website that'll suck you off for cash/jewelery/holidays, they're on it by choice, they're literally whoring themselves out.

Where's the outrage?

please share!!!

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 18-09-2019 7:29pm

mrmorgan wrote: »

please share!!!

Do you want genital warts?

suicide_circus · 18-09-2019 7:30pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I dunno much after reading your argument.

Ultimately, you can value sex as inconsequential as you want. It died t mean others have to.

i dont think it is inconsequential but the campaign to denigrate its "specialness" has certainly been successful in a lot of ways. A case like this and the resulting pearl clutching may give people pause.

suicide_circus · 18-09-2019 7:31pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Do you want genital warts?

he wants to check if his missus is on it

Eric Cartman · 18-09-2019 7:34pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

There's literally thousands of Irish women on a particular website that'll suck you off for cash/jewelery/holidays, they're on it by choice, they're literally whoring themselves out.

Where's the outrage?

Its a case of who's propositioning.
We've reached a point of such moral decay in our society that literally thousands of young women on this isle are listing themselves in a market place exchanging their bodies for money, and feminism has made that 'fine' and not to 'be judged for'
However men proposing the transaction is shameful and awful for some reason....

Sex for Rent - Raised in the Dail as issue of major concern

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