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White Water pin restoration

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭BGOllie


    Would love to have the knowledge,tools and confidence to even attempt a pinball restore.

    well I'm still making it up as I go too really. I'm kinda amazed it's working out.
    ...
    Also I'm French , which means I've the arrogance to think I might actually pull it off :D:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    BGOllie wrote: »
    well I'm still making it up as I go too really. I'm kinda amazed it's working out.
    ...
    Also I'm French , which means I've the arrogance to think I might actually pull it off :D:D

    It's amazing what you can you do when you just plunge in, fair play :)


  • Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I just set my whitewater (Wh2o) up after 9/10 months of being folded.
    If you need any reference pics hit me up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭BGOllie


    thanks I should be ok, I too pics of pretty much everything I disconnected or needed to move and I've picked up some photos of some of the missing items But you never know so I might hit you up at some point :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭eddhorse


    Battle of the Whitewaters..


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  • Registered Users Posts: 30,123 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    eddhorse wrote: »
    Battle of the Whitewaters..

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  • Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BGOllie wrote: »
    thanks I should be ok, I too pics of pretty much everything I disconnected or needed to move and I've picked up some photos of some of the missing items But you never know so I might hit you up at some point :)

    Shove it so :D

    I'd love to do a full cabinet resto on mine.
    I have a pinsound board for it and considering a colour DMD.
    Are you happy with the new decals?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭BGOllie


    yeah , I went with that guy that had them for sale for £50 because the blue was slightly darker. When it came to sending it, he realised the glue had gone bad on it so he reprinted a new fresh set, with the right blue, for the same price. very decent.

    I'm never too happy putting decals on but this went ok. It does look better than the old one anyways


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭BGOllie


    lots of cleaning, sanding, de-rusting, re-painting, polishing on this one. But I'm almost done with the body itself. Just waiting for the final clear coat to dry properly on the coin door front panel.
    When for a clear white finish on the inside , which should make things more visible for future maintenance.
    Got some legs protectors on the way too. However the legs are far too gone for me to be able to restore them with what I have, so I'll have them sandblaster and powder coated black next week.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,772 ✭✭✭Jack burton


    You're an inspiration Ollie.

    Quick one for the legs, did you try diet Coke and tinfoil on them. Could be worth a shot. Wear gloves though if you do try it


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭BGOllie


    Jack Burton : haven't tried but the issue is the legs are so pitted with deep rust it's hard to remove even with heavy sanding other than sand blasting.

    that's a wrap on the body.
    Coin door cleaned, de rusted and resprayed . I tied the sponge thing with the spray paint to add some texture with limited success. It doesn't show much on the photo but there's a wee bit of texture on the coin door :)

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    started taking apart and cleaning the playfield. There's a good bit of cleaning and most screws and metal parts on the top part will have to get cleaned and polished. I spotted a handful of screws missing but I think I have spares left for these and 2 of them I had to cut out as they were too rusted to be removed normally. But that should be a simple fix ... but tedious :)
    Most of the rock formation parts have breaks or cracks in them (esp the screw whole place) . I'm confident I can fix those with resin and fiber glass and I'll colour match them then .

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    Got new bulbs and rubbers kits, couple of new coil springs and some rejuv kits , leg protectors from Pinball Center.
    All in all, with the new wood pieces, paint, art , sand papers and other bits I'm still around a 250 budget as of now. Not bad


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭BGOllie


    so a couple of weeks for cleaning, removing oxidation and rust on the metals, and polishing and the playfield is getting ready to be re-assembled.

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    had to redo some bits, like the ramp flaps (used the metal from some biscuit tins containers I had as it's the same gauge and used some gun blue to blaken em.) Also had to fix some of the plastics with, especially the rocks that had a lot of cracks and broken parts. I used some leftover fiberglass and resin and then color match them

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    also I don't think I'd posted it here but here's the second video for that headbox resto :



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    Pm sent


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭BGOllie


    playfield is DONE! this took a while . A lot of cleaning . Every screw and botl and nut got de-rusted and re polished . Tedious work and if felt like it took for ever but nothing too complicated . Plastics (like the mountains and some parts of the ramps ) got repaired with fiberglass/resin and colour matched. Only had to replace the 2 green targets and got the extra cover for the left flipper exit ramp , which, as far as I can tell, is not in the original but looks great.

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    I made new ramp flaps as the 4 old ones were too rusted and pretty much gone, using ... metal from biscuit tins darkened with some gun blue gel. worked out great

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    Other than that, I changed the rubbers, springs on the flippers, new set of lights a couple of cone posts where the plastic had crumbled but that's about it, I was able to fix the rest myself.

    I can start putting the pin back together and see if it still fires up :)


  • Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Looking good ollie.
    Look up the "mantis" protectors for the ramp ends behind the green targets. You can make your own versions for free.
    That and the missing mountain mod.
    What's the left. Flipper plastic you're taking about?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭BGOllie


    thanks . that missing rock mod looks nice. might go that way, thanks.
    For the left flipper, when I looked at photos of other pins online I don't see any plastic covering the metal above the left flipper , where the swirling ramp is :
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    I got one from Pinball Center but I seems this is an added mod and was missing in most of the original photos I can find :
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  • Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ah yea,
    I got that plastic too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭BGOllie


    aaaand it's alive again :

    https://www.facebook.com/olonguet/videos/10157580260568276/?permPage=1

    still have a few things to fix. couple of bumpers not quite working and one of the eject coils having trouble + need new full set of lights (the few ones I have there are just random leftovers )


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    Looking at the start and finish...that's a proper restoration!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭BGOllie


    sugarman wrote: »
    Fair play Ollie, you made light work of that! Looks quality.

    thanks. It did take 3 months though all in all and I worked on it for a couple of hours most days. the cleaning and derusting on the wire wheel was the tedious part.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭BGOllie


    alright this now a working an playable cab. I had two coils not working that I finally fixed and two of the service switches were broken and now replaced. But this resto is technically done now since the goal was to restore the cab and get the game back into working state. There's a couple more things to be done but I prob won't document them here (I'll do it on the channel )

    - I still have to finalize the lights. I have some GI led in there and some in the target lights as test and haven't noticed any ghosting. I'll go for a fill led setup, but will prob replace some of the more visible GI lights by standard target lights (like around the lanes entries and exit lanes. I tried it as test and it made it look a lot more vintage than the usual super bright overly colorful stuff out there.
    - I need to re align the flipper coils.
    - The game rom is currently rev.2 so I need to burn a new rom to rev 6 (waiting on a couple of 27c080 to do that so I'll do these three next weekend)
    - The lock knocker seem to trigger 3 times even though the ball exits normally. It doesn't affect gameplay but Is still need to look into it.
    - I still need to get a topper dome. Prob next month.
    - I'll do the missing rock and grizzly mod after that

    but it's playing fine and already being enjoyed :)

    https://www.facebook.com/olonguet/videos/vb.725398275/10157585200728276

    I'll keep posting vids on the channel as I edit them . Here's the latest & final one on the body resto :



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭Shapey Fiend


    Good lord that's a lot of work. Well done Ollie the end result looks fantastic. The vintage Williams machines pins are something I wouldn't get tired of in a hurry. They look and sound glorious.


  • Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have my whitewater coming up on 5 years now .
    Top tier game


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭BGOllie


    enjoying it so far, I mean this was an incredible find to start with and having taken it completely appart given it a second life does make it that much more special.
    I enjoyed the Gladiator pin already but I think this one has prob sent me over the edge of pinball collection and I'm considering selling a couple of cabs to fund another pin now :D:D


  • Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BGOllie wrote: »
    enjoying it so far, I mean this was an incredible find to start with and having taken it completely appart given it a second life does make it that much more special.
    I enjoyed the Gladiator pin already but I think this one has prob sent me over the edge of pinball collection and I'm considering selling a couple of cabs to fund another pin now :D:D

    I told ya! :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭BGOllie


    yeah you did...




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    .









    ...you monster


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