The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

irishguitarlad · 14-09-2019 09:28PM

Road-Hog wrote: »

Man U and mr Ferguson dominated their ****e sport for circa 20 years......did rival supporters call for disbandonmnent of the ‘saw-ker’ in favor of rugby or cricket don’t think so......

Soccer is different though as there are many leagues and then you have the Champions League, uefa cup and various other continental trophies at the top level.

irishguitarlad · 14-09-2019 09:31PM

Padre_Pio wrote: »

The only thing that matters is turning up on the day and winning.

Dublin do that.

Kerry had more chances to score in this final. They didn't score, and they lost.
They were a man up 2 weeks ago and still couldn't get the ball over the bar.

Saying that's Dublin's fault is pure deflection.

And how do they do that? With all the advantages, playing at home every game, milliones pumped into them, massive population, no long distances to cover to go to training, everything is in their favor. And all these things add up to get them over the line.

irishgeo · 14-09-2019 09:31PM

Padre_Pio wrote: »

You're picking matches where they won decisively. I'm picking matches where they won by the skin of their teeth.

Granted they're still winning, but it's not consistent. They're they most talented team with the most money and the greatest population and all the other blah blah advantages people point out.
They're still taken to task regularly.

Look at the Connaught championship. It's been Roscommon and Galway in the final every year for the last 4.

Munster, it's Kerry and Cork for 6 of the last 7 years. Kerry won them all.

Donegal has been Ulster senior championship final for 8 of the last 9 years.

The same counties dominating their respective championship is nothing new.

If people are getting bored of Dublin winning, then how are they not bored of the same counties getting to provincial finals every year for the last decade?

Falling attendances and the fact rte covered the hurling most of the year would suggest they are.

As someone said the super 8 isnt a success because there isnt 8 super teams in the country.

possibly 6
Dublin kerry, tyrone , donegal , mayo, galway are you big teams consistently the rest are a step below.

aodomhnaill · 14-09-2019 09:32PM

Dublin dominance thread pretty much silent for two weeks after a draw Dublin dominance thread alive and kicking after a win. F*ckin pointless discussion.

bennyl10 · 14-09-2019 09:33PM

Road-Hog wrote: »

Man U and mr Ferguson dominated their ****e sport for circa 20 years......did rival supporters call for disbandonmnent of the ‘saw-ker’ in favor of rugby or cricket don’t think so......

I didn’t know there was a central Fa ran fund for every team. That was being given in the majority to fergies United, who were allowed to play every single game in their home stadium.

It’s not even comparable. It’s absolute BS

odyssey06 · 14-09-2019 09:33PM

Road-Hog wrote: »

Man U and mr Ferguson dominated their ****e sport for circa 20 years......did rival supporters call for disbandonmnent of the ‘saw-ker’ in favor of rugby or cricket don’t think so......

If Uruguay or Chile called for Brazil to be split at soccer theyd be a laughing stock.
Instead they go out and win 17 copa americas to Brazils 9. Even though Brazil has ten times the population.

irishguitarlad · 14-09-2019 09:33PM

aodomhnaill wrote: »

Dublin dominance thread pretty much silent for two weeks after a draw Dublin dominance thread alive and kicking after a win. F*ckin pointless discussion.

It was only a draw because Dublin played nearly 40 minutes with 14 men.

bobbysands81 · 14-09-2019 09:35PM

The high horse brigade wrote: »

There's players on that Dublin team like Fenton have never lost a championship game. The GAA have ruined the competition when there's a monster nobody can beat

The reek of begrudgery off some folk is immense. Always blaming someone else as to why you’re deficient.

In every sport it’s pretty much accepted that some teams are better than others. In GAA traditionally it’s been Cork, Kerry, Tipp, Kilkenny... but there’s only ever a problem when the Dubs are going through a purple patch.

I’ve never heard an argument that the All Blacks are destroying rugby cos they’re so good, or that Brazil in their heyday destroyed soccer or that Tiger ruined golf.

What Dublin are achieving is completely unsustainable, Dublin will drift back into the pack, but until then why don’t we just try and enjoy the greatest Gaelic football team of all time?

bennyl10 · 14-09-2019 09:37PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

The reek of begrudgery off some folk is immense. Always blaming someone else as to why you’re deficient.

In every sport it’s pretty much accepted that some teams are better than others. In GAA traditionally it’s been Cork, Kerry, Tipp, Kilkenny... but there’s only ever a problem when the Dubs are going through a purple patch.

I’ve never heard an argument that the All Blacks are destroying rugby cos they’re so good, or that Brazil in their heyday destroyed soccer or that Tiger ruined golf.

What Dublin are achieving is completely unsustainable, Dublin will drift back into the pack, but until then why don’t we just try and enjoy the greatest Gaelic football team of all time?

Becuase none of those other teams who dominate are given a huge advantage, up front, by the organizing body.

So much more funding from a central body, and every game at home?

Only the Dubs get that advantage.
Can’t compare them to any others.

Padre_Pio · 14-09-2019 09:37PM

irishguitarlad wrote: »

And how do they do that? With all the advantages, playing at home every game, milliones pumped into them, massive population, no long distances to cover to go to training, everything is in their favor. And all these things add up to get them over the line.

Pure bull.

Tell that to the Dublin senior and minor hurling team and minor football team.

They have all the same advantages. How come they're not winning everything in sight?

irishgeo · 14-09-2019 09:38PM

aodomhnaill wrote: »

Dublin dominance thread pretty much silent for two weeks after a draw Dublin dominance thread alive and kicking after a win. F*ckin pointless discussion.

Thats what pisses people off about dublin fans, they cant see the fact they are financially doped to win giving them every advantage possible over every other team.

They think its just hard work and great players.

Its the full time coaching, the phyisos the backroom staff other teams cant afford. The huge sponsorship.

Its easy beat teams when you are in peak physical condition because you can rest players and take it easy ion games. Then when a final comes you have the extra step and physical fitness to beat teams that are tiring.

LiamoSail · 14-09-2019 09:39PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

I didn’t know there was a central Fa ran fund for every team. That was being given in the majority to fergies United, who were allowed to play every single game in their home stadium.

It’s not even comparable. It’s absolute BS

Man Utd under Ferguson generated the most revenue which was then reinvested in their infrastructure. Much like Dublin, who through sponsorship, advertising, merchandise, gate receipts etc generate the greatest revenue.

ClanofLams · 14-09-2019 09:39PM

aodomhnaill wrote: »

Dublin dominance thread pretty much silent for two weeks after a draw Dublin dominance thread alive and kicking after a win. F*ckin pointless discussion.

Totally pointless.

Dublin winning five in a row men’s football
Dublin women going for three in a row tomorrow
Dublin hurlers improving from getting hidings against Westmeath to beating Galway
Cuala winning back to back club all Irelands when no Dublin club had won a Leinster before
Dublin under twenty/21 having their best decade ever

These things are all coincidentally happening fifteen to twenty years after massive resources were pumped in and a ridiculous financial disparity was created.

I mean who could deny that?!

irishguitarlad · 14-09-2019 09:40PM

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Pure bull.

Tell that to the Dublin senior and minor hurling team and minor football team.

They have all the same advantages. How come they're not winning everything in sight?

Because they don't have the huge backroom team that the Dublin senior team have with all the corporate money from aig and other sponsors pumped into them.

riemann · 14-09-2019 09:40PM

Dublin have their 5 in a row and we'll hear many a dub ranting and raving about how "we" are the best team in history.

Thankfully for most people this Dublin team will be marked with a large asterix due to the massive disparity in finances amongst other resources.

Long term the GAA will be the big losers as interest wanes in the sport as a whole.

Oh and yes I am a begrudger, as is anyone who points out the obvious.

The high horse brigade · 14-09-2019 09:41PM

ClanofLams wrote: »

I mean who could deny that?!

Dublin fans are the new flat earthers

Kermit.de.frog · 14-09-2019 09:41PM

Posted in the game thread - best keep it here

Yes, the same infiltration in the county as every other county had prior for their size.

So it's fair, for the potential playing numbers, that Dublin gets much higher funding. Whether it's gone too far - I actually doubt that as GAA is not popular everywhere in Dublin and has yet to get a foothold in certain areas.

Fundamentally those complaining are looking for Dublin to be treated unfairly simply due to it's population size.

But that's a gamble for the GAA who would be putting at risk their penetration in the largest potential market for their game.

I don't know what the solution is to be honest.

bennyl10 · 14-09-2019 09:41PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

Man Utd under Ferguson generated the most revenue which was then reinvested in their infrastructure. Much like Dublin, who through sponsorship, advertising, merchandise, gate receipts etc generate the greatest revenue.

So from central funding and use of a supposedly neutral stadium as their own?
No.

The GAA have done everything in their power to ensures dublin we’re winning AI’s and have in tune destroyed interest in the sport.

ArielAtom · 14-09-2019 09:42PM

Great times we are witnessing. You don’t see near perfection that often.

riemann · 14-09-2019 09:42PM

ClanofLams wrote: »

Totally pointless.

Dublin winning five in a row men’s football
Dublin women going for three in a row tomorrow
Dublin hurlers improving from getting hidings against Westmeath to beating Galway
Cuala winning back to back club all Irelands when no Dublin club had won a Leinster before
Dublin under twenty/21 having their best decade ever

These things are all coincidentally happening fifteen to twenty years after massive resources were pumped in and a ridiculous financial disparity was created.

I mean who could deny that?!

Such a begrudger.

irishgeo · 14-09-2019 09:43PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

The reek of begrudgery off some folk is immense. Always blaming someone else as to why you’re deficient.

In every sport it’s pretty much accepted that some teams are better than others. In GAA traditionally it’s been Cork, Kerry, Tipp, Kilkenny... but there’s only ever a problem when the Dubs are going through a purple patch.

I’ve never heard an argument that the All Blacks are destroying rugby cos they’re so good, or that Brazil in their heyday destroyed soccer or that Tiger ruined golf.

What Dublin are achieving is completely unsustainable, Dublin will drift back into the pack, but until then why don’t we just try and enjoy the greatest Gaelic football team of all time?

whats fair about this, how do you expect a teams to catch up to that.

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-receive-e15-million-more-than-any-other-county-in-games-development-grants-over-the-last-decade-149534

Tiger was playing among his equals. He wasnt getting paid by the PGA for extra coaching.

doc_17 · 14-09-2019 09:43PM

So, Dublin win again on their home patch. Be interesting and useful to see could they match what their rivals do, win an All Ireland final in their opponents home ground.

LiamoSail · 14-09-2019 09:44PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

Becuase none of those other teams who dominate are given a huge advantage, up front, by the organizing body.

So much more funding from a central body, and every game at home?

Only the Dubs get that advantage.
Can’t compare them to any others.

Do the non dubs living in Dublin not have some sort of home advantage when playing in Croke park too? Or is the number of non-Dubs living in Dublin only relevant as a point when it’s used to whine about them having to travel outside of Dublin for training?

odyssey06 · 14-09-2019 09:45PM

irishgeo wrote: »

Thats what pisses people off about dublin fans, they cant see the fact they are financially doped to win giving them every advantage possible over every other team.
They think its just hard work and great players.
Its the full time coaching, the phyisos the backroom staff other teams cant afford. The huge sponsorship.

If AIG are paying sponsorship money comparable to the media coverage received that is not financial doping.
Its not financial doping if a team with a higher profile eg Man Utd, gets more money in sponsorships, merchandise etc than say Oldham.
Or if Kerry get more than Leitrim.

irishgeo · 14-09-2019 09:45PM

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Pure bull.

Tell that to the Dublin senior and minor hurling team and minor football team.

They have all the same advantages. How come they're not winning everything in sight?

because all the money is going to the senior football team perhaps.

ClanofLams · 14-09-2019 09:46PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

Do the non dubs living in Dublin not have some sort of home advantage when playing in Croke park too? Or is the number of non-Dubs living in Dublin only relevant as a point when it’s used to whine about them having to travel outside of Dublin for training?

Unless they are playing fifteen games a year with their team every year there like Dublin are sleeping within a certain distance of the stadium probably isn’t much use.

irishguitarlad · 14-09-2019 09:47PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

If AIG are paying sponsorship money comparable to the media coverage received that is not financial doping.
Its not financial doping if a team with a higher profile eg Man Utd, gets more money in sponsorships, merchandise etc than say Oldham.
Or if Kerry get more than Leitrim.

Yes but gaa is supposed to be an amateur sport and so funds and sponsorship deals should be distributed fairly.

riemann · 14-09-2019 09:47PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

Great times we are witnessing. You don’t see near perfection that often.

All I see is a team who are fitter than their opponents and pull away in any close games towards the end.

Its easy to kick a point when you've the energy levels to gain a yard on a tired opponent.

I wonder is this due to the amount of physios / dietitians / conditioning coaches etc...

bobbysands81 · 14-09-2019 09:48PM

irishgeo wrote: »

whats fair about this, how do you expect a teams to catch up to that.

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-receive-e15-million-more-than-any-other-county-in-games-development-grants-over-the-last-decade-149534

Tiger was playing among his equals. He wasnt getting paid by the PGA for extra coaching.

All that money went to developing the skills of the Dublin senior county team did it?

LiamoSail · 14-09-2019 09:49PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

So from central funding and use of a supposedly neutral stadium as their own?
No.

Oh I thought Croke Park was Dublin’s home ground? Or is it only that when again, it’s a stick to beat Dublin with?

So GAA is like soccer or rugby or any other sport in that the side with the greatest fan base, that generate the greatest revenue end up with the greatest funding. It’s literally the case in every sport.

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