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How to exit with grace and dignity.. and regain self respect

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭Redderthanever


    tara73 wrote: »
    he just used you for his sexual needs. nothing more. that's all you need to realise. praising you to other people just served this aim. it's a crass reality there are a lot of people out there who are that perfidious. thank god there are also some out there who are not like that.

    glad the words here helped and you are about to kick him to the kerb.

    but also realise, as pointed out a lot already, you played your part in this too because you let him treat you like that. you won't get respect if you don't respect yourself. Old saying but always true and not only for romantic relationships, for life in general.

    Definitely think a bit of self love is in order here or I wouldn't have stayed as long!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭Redderthanever


    I don't think it's even as relatively benign as him just not really caring about you, that thing with bringing other women along etc is the behaviour of someone who's actively manipulating people.

    You can't "make" him respect you, or see how crap his actions have been. Maybe some day he'll hit some bottom and realise it himself but it certainly sounds like he has a long way to go, if he'll ever get there.

    I understand the frustration on that front, and the difficulty you're having. I see someone above said this isn't hard, I disagree. Just because it's simple doesn't mean it isn't difficult.

    So, while making the decision to walk away from this is great, you need to set yourself up to succeed. From what I can see here the only thing that's successfully kept him out of your head for any period was removing yourself to a different country, which is presumably not sustainable.

    It sounds dramatic, but basically treat this like an addiction. Which means to break free of it you need to reorganise your life to limit your exposure, avoid triggers, and have support and accountability.

    Delete and block him. Forget about that killer last line, the absolute max communication there should be beforehand is like "I've decided I don't want to spend time with you anymore, please don't contact me from now on". And the max communication afterwards is ZERO.

    Where do you usually see him (including online)? What feelings or states (including drunkenness) or events usually prompt you to seek or consent to his company? These things have to change.

    I understand you're not feeling great about yourself off the back of all this but is there a close friend or group of friends in whom you could confide? It's crazy how effective it can be to have people who will (metaphorically!) smack you across the head for romantic/sexual backsliding. Don't talk the heads off them about it, but don't minimise how awful his carry on was, and be explicit about the fact that you are done with him.

    And also, just take a few minutes to yourself this evening and really really sit in how bad you feel right now. Have a little wallow. Notice the physical sensations of it (heaviness in your chest, feeling tears, stomach in knots that sort of thing), name your emotions. You need to remember, very clearly, how you're feeling right now. Because guarantee you if you run into him in 3 months and the charm is back on, you'll waver.

    You also need to remember it if you ever find yourself being treated like this again. We are often drawn to the same kinds of people again and again without realising, a bit of soul searching on that front.


    Look we've all gone out with an asshole probably. Don't beat yourself up too much, just start moving on. Good luck with it.

    Thank you for the stellar advice, really appreciate it. I definitely need to do some soul searching as go why I let him **** with my head for so long, when I had ample material to let him go earlier..

    The whole thing is slightly complicated by the fact that I'm bound to bump into him at some point as we frequent the same places. Also, slightly more disturbing is that a close friend of mine and him have been 'liking' a lot of each others posts and things.. Which makes me feel strange as she knows most of the details of the ****ty behaviour. Obviously she can be friends with whomever she wants, it's not for me to say, but it makes me feel a little betrayed? and a little isolated too.. It doesn't really help the self esteem to be honest and makes me wonder am I the problem. I really don't know how to address it with her without seeming like I'm telling her what to do or seeming controlling.
    Anyway folks, once again thanks, you've make me make the break for good I feel this time. Thanks for taking your time to reply.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,407 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout



    The whole thing is slightly complicated by the fact that I'm bound to bump into him at some point as we frequent the same places. Also, slightly more disturbing is that a close friend of mine and him have been 'liking' a lot of each others posts and things.. Which makes me feel strange as she knows most of the details of the ****ty behaviour. Obviously she can be friends with whomever she wants, it's not for me to say, but it makes me feel a little betrayed? and a little isolated too.. It doesn't really help the self esteem to be honest and makes me wonder am I the problem. I really don't know how to address it with her without seeming like I'm telling her what to do or seeming controlling.
    Anyway folks, once again thanks, you've make me make the break for good I feel this time. Thanks for taking your time to reply.


    Nothing complicated at all, you're still giving yourself excuses. If you see him out and about just a curt nod of the head is enough to acknowledge him if you must, you are not obliged to engage with him in any way.

    As for your friend, you are right, you can't control her actions, so let her off. If she wants to get involved with him she's had fair warning as to what he is like. It's something she might have to learn for herself. No point in feeling betrayed, you're not in a relationship with him, he treated you like crap, so you have nothing to feel jealous about. You feel betrayed because you had feelings for him, she might only be interested in him on a superficial level.

    Also as an aside, if you can see what he likes on social media, it's time to delete him from your social media, no point keeping tabs on what he is doing, you need a clean break.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 689 ✭✭✭zapper55


    I'm glad the posts have helped you. No harm to say to your friend next time you see her in person - hey I noticed you and x liking each others posts, you guys seeing each other? Though that would depend. If you thought shed say it back to him I wouldnt.

    If a guy treated me like he did I wouldnt be impressed with my friend seeing her and I'd be wary of her and certainly wouldnt be telling her private things. No wonder you feel a bit hurt and betrayed. But better for you not to see it, why not just block him on social media?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes






    Thanks for all advice guys xx

    .


    Honestly stop having any emotional reaction to him, that is what is controlling you.

    What is your goal with him?? Self respect can't come from another person.

    I will put this rather prosaically. What do you want to get from him?

    I mean he isn't all innocence and light etc. He isn't someone with the right qualities for friendship.

    The only person who gets to be an asshole to me is my boss. I need a paycheck.

    Friends have got to have the required personality traits to be good friends. He doesn't have those. You aren't getting anything from him.

    I know you will say you like him. Stop liking people and start liking how they treat you because people are their actions.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    For the original poster I highly recommend (1) reading up on narcissistic personality disorder and the effect on partners, they literally feed off your reactions, have no empathy whatsoever and are highly dangerous. (2) Cut off contact, just block them on everything, I would bet they are involved with your so called friend on Facebook (3) get a professional to help build your self esteem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 534 ✭✭✭flowerchild


    I’m sorry you’ve had this experience. Your confusion and hurt are very clear.

    Trust yourself, you know what to do. Your thread title says it all - exit with grace and dignity.

    You don’t have to do anything, have any conversations, explain anything at all. Just honour your own needs and your understanding of the situation you are in.

    Remember that you are a good person, otherwise you wouldn’t be shocked. Turn off the lights you lit for this man, kick off your shoes, read a good book, go to films, do what you enjoy, and delete any messages without reading them.

    You deserve to feel happy again. The first change comes from trusting your instinct and self-belief. Just walking away will build your sense of self. Let go self-criticism. We all make mistakes - the truly mature learn from them and move on, without punishing themselves or others. Best wishes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,819 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Forget about any ideas that will make him see the error of his ways or anything like that. Sticking around while trying to change him will just hurt you more. Above all, don't link your self-respect to what this guy thinks of you or how he treats you.

    Tell him to f**k off, then delete/block him on everything, and keep him deleted/blocked.

    Best way to regain your self-respect is to be able to look back, six months or a year from now, and see that you had the strength to get him out, and keep him out, of your life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Whitestripe


    OP, I am hardly in a position to give advice but I understand how you feel. Please put yourself first. If your friend knows the history and tries to go there she is not a real friend. I’d probably block him on social media so you can get a break


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭Redderthanever


    One month on and I'm really grateful for all the responses. I deleted him off everything and although feeling sad, I know it was the right thing to do. There hasn't been any contact other than to replace some expensive bike lights I broke (I didn't want to be indebted to him in any way). Dropped them into his work place on his day off.. He made sure to txt me to tell me they were the wrong ones while hoping I was well. Didn't mention anything else. My relationship with the friend definitely has grown more distant, to be honest I think she just prioritises the party scene in Dublin more than maybe our friendship which is fine, so no hard feelings.
    Once again, thanks for all the supportive, kind and sometimes frank words of advice. Yiz are legends


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 ldeayton


    OP, I’ve been there....as everyone else says just walk away and cut off contact. You know you deserve better.

    There is a problem: you will continue to desire this person and their company. That’s how normal people react to narcissists - it’s the trap. You will carry this burden for some time, a bit like a scar that never quite heals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭lainey_d_123


    ldeayton wrote: »
    OP, I’ve been there....as everyone else says just walk away and cut off contact. You know you deserve better.

    There is a problem: you will continue to desire this person and their company. That’s how normal people react to narcissists - it’s the trap. You will carry this burden for some time, a bit like a scar that never quite heals.

    The word narcissist seems to be overused these days. A true narcissist is quite dangerous and will go to extreme lengths to control and hurt you if you dump them (and even sometimes if they dump you and you don't go running back like they expected you to!) This guy just sounds like a spoiled, selfish idiot who is used to getting his own way and using people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭WIZWEB


    The word narcissist seems to be overused these days. A true narcissist is quite dangerous and will go to extreme lengths to control and hurt you if you dump them (and even sometimes if they dump you and you don't go running back like they expected you to!) This guy just sounds like a spoiled, selfish idiot who is used to getting his own way and using people.

    Narcissism is on a spectrum. He's not on the malignant end but he's shown several of the traits. Regarding the OP's original post this guy was obviously engaging in Triangulation. A typical trait of a narcissist where he involves a third party to initiate an emotional reaction and jealousy. Ideally among both to fuel him (Narcissistic Supply). He's also feigned ignorance which is a sign of Gaslighting another common dysfunctional trait Narcs utilise. They love their mindgames.

    Narcissists love to stay friends with 'ex's' to play such games. The OP was a good source of fuel for him. Yes he's selfish as narcissists are. Narcissists use, abuse and control others through manipulation so I agree with your further points around same.

    Very few narcissists are physically violent however emotionally and psychologically they can be extremely damaging. Yes they will often get into a Narcissistic Rage upon our escape. This may be the silent treatment for a awhile hoping the OP will disempower herself to make contact again. If that doesn't work then he's very likely to 'Hoover' again for more supply. They feed on our emotions whether it's affection or anger.

    Total Non Contact is the way to go. The OP has made a good start on this. The trick after blocking off all methods of communication including toxic third parties 'Flying Monkeys' is to emotionally disengage. If the OP comes upon the narcissist I suggest displaying no emotion and walking right by. Otherwise he will use the opportunity to cause further cognitive dissonance, triangulation, hoovering/lovebombing and ultimately drama. All this can be achieved in moments. Think of him as dead to you OP. Stay away or you'll be reeled back in again.

    Work on reducing your tolerance levels for disrespect towards you from others and build personal boundaries. That will help keep such predators away. If you were with him a long time there may be a Trauma Bond from your constant emotional highs and lows from your enmeshment with him. A good therapist will help you heal faster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Whitestripe


    Stay strong OP, you can do it :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭Redderthanever


    Stay strong OP, you can do it :)
    Followed your story top and hope you're on the other side too x x


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Whitestripe


    Followed your story top and hope you're on the other side too x x


    Kind of, it's gotten nasty. At least I know now. All the best :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Whitestripe if you need more advice or to talk through new developments I'm sure the mods would reopen your thread if you messaged them, or you could start a new one.

    You're under no obligation to of course, just know that the option is there.

    Ye can do this girls, both of ye x


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭ashes2014


    The word narcissist seems to be overused these days. A true narcissist is quite dangerous and will go to extreme lengths to control and hurt you if you dump them (and even sometimes if they dump you and you don't go running back like they expected you to!) This guy just sounds like a spoiled, selfish idiot who is used to getting his own way and using people.

    I agree-many people have a couple of narcissistic traits but not many are full blown narcissists.


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