Fire in Douglas - See Mod note in post #506

snotboogie · 13-09-2019 02:18PM

mean gene wrote: »

I worked there up to last week I know the footfall where do you work there

I'm the bald lad who wears the Vince McMahon suits

pwurple · 13-09-2019 02:33PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

None.

If walking 5 or 10 minutes to the shops a few times a week is deemed impossible for people with children, then we are rightly fcuked regarding traffic and transport.

I was just wondering what basis you were pontificating, and if you were just having a dig at someone for going about their normal business.

Sure, it's not impossible at all if you are not working, or have no commute and have the time to do it, or are living in the 1950's.

Here's a fairly typical set up for working parents these days.

You're out of the house at 6:30am to do your drops and commute, work all day, home around 7pm, have creche or childminder drop offs and pick up, have to sort dinner for the whole family, check homework, and maybe talk to your own kids. Put them to bed, read the stories. And then generally can't leave the house when the kids are in bed.

You do a "big shop" once a week, and have to be fairly organised to manage to get enough food to cover breakfast, lunch, dinner, fruit for 7 days for 4, 5 or 6+ people. But you think nipping to the shops multiple times a week to haul back the 30 apples and bananas the blighters go through, gallon or so of milk and multiple loafs of bread is easy peasy. Maybe pay a babysitter is it?

I hear what you're saying about transport, and here's what we do. Dry food and basic groceries (milk, loo roll etc) is delivered once a week to our house, evening time, no rush hour pressure. Then we do a fresh food trip to the butchers, small shops etc on the weekend... bus, on foot, cycle, whatever.

beer enigma · 13-09-2019 03:15PM

pwurple wrote: »

I was just wondering what basis you were pontificating, and if you were just having a dig at someone for going about their normal business.

Sure, it's not impossible at all if you are not working, or have no commute and have the time to do it, or are living in the 1950's.

Here's a fairly typical set up for working parents these days.

You're out of the house at 6:30am to do your drops and commute, work all day, home around 7pm, have creche or childminder drop offs and pick up, have to sort dinner for the whole family, check homework, and maybe talk to your own kids. Put them to bed, read the stories. And then generally can't leave the house when the kids are in bed.

You do a "big shop" once a week, and have to be fairly organised to manage to get enough food to cover breakfast, lunch, dinner, fruit for 7 days for 4, 5 or 6+ people. But you think nipping to the shops multiple times a week to haul back the 30 apples and bananas the blighters go through, gallon or so of milk and multiple loafs of bread is easy peasy. Maybe pay a babysitter is it?

I hear what you're saying about transport, and here's what we do. Dry food and basic groceries (milk, loo roll etc) is delivered once a week to our house, evening time, no rush hour pressure. Then we do a fresh food trip to the butchers, small shops etc on the weekend... bus, on foot, cycle, whatever.

Fairly similar to ours and I am just off the Well Road. To feed a family of 5 with school lunches and both of us working all day means we have to do a weekly main shop

I've really felt the pinch since the fire as it was on my was home. I know Dunnes is there but I'm so used to Tesco it seems to take an age to find things in there!

Padraig Mor · 14-09-2019 10:17AM

New update from the centre this morning: "it may be summer 2020 before the centre is rebuilt and ready to open".

Atlantic Dawn · 14-09-2019 10:20AM

Padraig Mor wrote: »

New update from the centre this morning: "it may be summer 2020 before the centre is rebuilt and ready to open".

I'd say even that is optimistic.

Cork Trucker · 14-09-2019 10:28AM

Padraig Mor wrote: »

New update from the centre this morning: "it may be summer 2020 before the centre is rebuilt and ready to open".

Yup

https://twitter.com/douglasvillage/status/1172798369678483457?s=21

TheChizler · 14-09-2019 11:00AM

Surprised at that. The car park is essentially a different structure to the original part. I would have thought that once it was made safe the shops could reopen.

I wonder is it insurance reasons. The pharmacy and nail bar on the street with no connection to the rest of the centre opened the day after the fire but they were told to shut because they were technically part of the same property and the public couldn't be let in because insurance.

road_high · 14-09-2019 11:04AM

Padraig Mor wrote: »

New update from the centre this morning: "it may be summer 2020 before the centre is rebuilt and ready to open".

I’ve no idea of the extent of the damage but isn’t the damage to the shopping area mainly smoke damage which although very pervasive could surely be sorted in a few month with a major clean up and restoration?

TheDriver · 14-09-2019 11:15AM

By sounds of the reports, you wouldn't even walk on the floor of level 2 so it's a very uncertain situation

road_high · 14-09-2019 11:48AM

TheDriver wrote: »

By sounds of the reports, you wouldn't even walk on the floor of level 2 so it's a very uncertain situation

That’s in the car park right?

Chuck Noland · 14-09-2019 12:15PM

Can’t see those store owners hanging around 8 or 9 months waiting for the Centre to re open

kub · 14-09-2019 12:18PM

TheChizler wrote: »

Surprised at that. The car park is essentially a different structure to the original part. I would have thought that once it was made safe the shops could reopen.

I wonder is it insurance reasons. The pharmacy and nail bar on the street with no connection to the rest of the centre opened the day after the fire but they were told to shut because they were technically part of the same property and the public couldn't be let in because insurance.

There is just butt covering going on there in wholesale measures, it is a joke that the chemist and nail bar and indeed the Bank out on the street side cannot open.
Considering that there were articulated trucks parked alongside the side door of Marks ( on the car park side ) yesterday with guys in and out of M&S loading up the stock into the trucks.
These people were humans just like the rest of us and were a hell of lot closer to the dangerous part of the car park.
Pity common sense cannot be measured.

road_high · 14-09-2019 12:30PM

Whole thing sounds like overkill but I’ve not seen the damage firsthand

Acosta · 14-09-2019 12:34PM

''Mr Love revealed that the plan is to rebuild the car park as it was before the fire.''

Should they not use it as an opportunity to fix what has to be one of the most badly designed car parks in the country?

TheChizler · 14-09-2019 01:30PM

Acosta wrote: »

''Mr Love revealed that the plan is to rebuild the car park as it was before the fire.''

Should they not use it as an opportunity to fix what has to be one of the most badly designed car parks in the country?

Go on...

PreCocious · 14-09-2019 01:46PM

road_high wrote: »

Whole thing sounds like overkill but I’ve not seen the damage firsthand

I'm not an engineer, or don't know anything on the subject and I too haven't seen the damage firsthand, but, I think you could be right.

pwurple · 14-09-2019 03:53PM

PreCocious wrote: »

I'm not an engineer, or don't know anything on the subject and I too haven't seen the damage firsthand, but, I think you could be right.

:pac::pac::pac:

beer enigma · 14-09-2019 04:28PM

The concern is that even though the car park is a seperate structure, it's in danger of collapse and it if does it could cause untold damage to the shopping centre. For that reason insurers won't allow the centre to open.

Cork Trucker · 14-09-2019 06:00PM

beer enigma wrote: »

The concern is that even though the car park is a seperate structure, it's in danger of collapse and it if does it could cause untold damage to the shopping centre. For that reason insurers won't allow the centre to open.

The centre will be lucky to have tenants left at this stage, i wouldn't be surprised if there was a get out clause in contracts for a situation of long term closure like this. Douglas loss could be the gain of other places as a result of this.

Darc19 · 14-09-2019 06:04PM

Cork Trucker wrote: »

The centre will be lucky to have tenants left at this stage, i wouldn't be surprised if there was a get out clause in contracts for a situation of long term closure like this. Douglas loss could be the gain of other places as a result of this.

There would be a get out clause for such an event and standard retail insurance would cover loss of trade and wages for a period of up to six months and in some cases 12 months.

Padre_Pio · 14-09-2019 06:39PM

Darc19 wrote: »

There would be a get out clause for such an event and standard retail insurance would cover loss of trade and wages for a period of up to six months and in some cases 12 months.

Depends on what type of loss.

Loss of trade due to fire has a much higher limit than loss due to denial of access.

Most shops are well able to trade, they just can't get in the front door.

beer enigma · 14-09-2019 08:35PM

Darc19 wrote: »

There would be a get out clause for such an event and standard retail insurance would cover loss of trade and wages for a period of up to six months and in some cases 12 months.

Most tenants have loss of profits up to 12 months as part of the tenancy agreement. The only one I know of who didn't is the car valet, but they can probably relocate easily

Mardyke · 14-09-2019 09:40PM

Acosta wrote: »

''Mr Love revealed that the plan is to rebuild the car park as it was before the fire.''

Should they not use it as an opportunity to fix what has to be one of the most badly designed car parks in the country?

What's wrong with it? Curious.

Dermo123 · 14-09-2019 10:15PM

Well Fire Engines can't get in there.
Blackpool multistory they can.

Cork Trucker · 14-09-2019 10:19PM

Dermo123 wrote: »

Well Fire Engines can't get in there.
Blackpool multistory they can.

I was laughed out of it over saying this on here recently in connection with a similar post i put up on twitter.

road_high · 14-09-2019 10:27PM

beer enigma wrote: »

The concern is that even though the car park is a seperate structure, it's in danger of collapse and it if does it could cause untold damage to the shopping centre. For that reason insurers won't allow the centre to open.

Why not make the car park secure via partial demolition or whatever then re open the shopping centre

TheChizler · 14-09-2019 10:29PM

Cork Trucker wrote: »

I was laughed out of it over saying this on here recently in connection with a similar post i put up on twitter.

Because it's typically standard. Unless you're (previous poster) saying most car parks are the most out designed in the country.

Is Blackpool tall enough for trucks to drive around in? Maybe the ramps but I don't think the rest is tall enough.

TheChizler · 14-09-2019 10:31PM

beer enigma wrote: »

The concern is that even though the car park is a seperate structure, it's in danger of collapse and it if does it could cause untold damage to the shopping centre. For that reason insurers won't allow the centre to open.

That makes sense that they would wait until i's safe, for the areas near the fire, but they're not planning on reopening until the rebuild is complete according to that last announcement.

beer enigma · 14-09-2019 10:54PM

TheChizler wrote: »

That makes sense that they would wait until i's safe, for the areas near the fire, but they're not planning on reopening until the rebuild is complete according to that last announcement.

Its a very loose statement based on the timeline for the car park rebuild. I would imagine they still don't know what they are facing until the demolition starts

TheDriver · 14-09-2019 11:34PM

Dermo123 wrote: »

Well Fire Engines can't get in there.
Blackpool multistory they can.

What fire engine is ever going to drive in there? I have that vision of Steve mcQueen in towering Inferno when they look up and see the skyscraper on fire.

Fire in Douglas - See Mod note in post #506

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