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Zubeneschamali · 09-09-2019 04:09PM

josip wrote: »

Quite all encompassing although I doubt if Cummings has been as careless as to leave a trace, some others might have.

They are not doing this on spec - someone has leaked something, and they are going after the proof, possibly already in the hands of the Govt. lawyers on that Scottish court case.

J Mysterio · 09-09-2019 04:11PM

I've clipped his resignation speech here.

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/912439c0-627c-4f85-a4ba-14c533a880dd?in=15:37:30&out=15:46:04

As pointed out, the Tory front bench are absolutely loathsome. They can't even give a little clap for a man for 22 years of service to their national parliament (10 years as Speaker). Whether you like him or not, for gods sake have some decency.

Itssoeasy · 09-09-2019 04:14PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

I've clipped his resignation speech here.

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/912439c0-627c-4f85-a4ba-14c533a880dd?in=15:37:30&out=15:46:04

As pointed out, the Tory front bench are absolutely loathsome. They can't even give a little clap for a man for 22 years of service to their national parliament (10 years as Speaker). Whether you like him or not, for gods sake have some decency.

And especially when he was giving a personal thank you to his family when you could see he was emotional.

quokula · 09-09-2019 04:15PM

robinph wrote: »

It needs to be said now or it will never get recorded in Hansard. Not a whole lot else for them to do today though other than vote against Johnson again.

There are a couple other debates and votes to be held today, which the Guardian this morning was reporting would be run through quicker than normal as otherwise the votes would run well into the early hours.

Having lots of MPs making sycophantic statements, including many of the brexiters who spent the last few months villifying him, just seems pointless, and I don't know what the point of getting it recorded in Hansard is other than massaging some egos.

It all just seems incredibly self indulgent for a parliament that went on holiday for most of the article 50 extension, has only been back for a few days, and now has precious few hours before it's shutting down again.

Professor Moriarty · 09-09-2019 04:18PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

I've clipped his resignation speech here.

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/912439c0-627c-4f85-a4ba-14c533a880dd?in=15:37:30&out=15:46:04

As pointed out, the Tory front bench are absolutely loathsome. They can't even give a little clap for a man for 22 years of service to their national parliament (10 years as Speaker). Whether you like him or not, for gods sake have some decency.

Surprisingly, Bone was very supportive.

Itssoeasy · 09-09-2019 04:31PM

I couldn’t have even told you how the chaplain of the House of Commons even though I’d have guessed there was one. Does the Dail have a similar person ?

Tell me how · 09-09-2019 04:32PM

Bercow is going to be a big loss.
The fact that he is going under more shenanigans by the nether regions of the Tory party is indicative of everything that has gone on for the last 3 years.

A Dub in Glasgo · 09-09-2019 04:35PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

I've clipped his resignation speech here.

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/912439c0-627c-4f85-a4ba-14c533a880dd?in=15:37:30&out=15:46:04

He done well with that speech, 7 minutes and always looking at the audience

VinLieger · 09-09-2019 04:36PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Bercow is going to be a big loss.
The fact that he is going under more shenanigans by the nether regions of the Tory party is indicative of everything that has gone on for the last 3 years.

Are they still continuing with the petty petty sh1t that May started in trying to stop the tradition where a retiring speaker is appointed to the house of lords?

gmisk · 09-09-2019 04:37PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

I've clipped his resignation speech here.

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/912439c0-627c-4f85-a4ba-14c533a880dd?in=15:37:30&out=15:46:04

As pointed out, the Tory front bench are absolutely loathsome. They can't even give a little clap for a man for 22 years of service to their national parliament (10 years as Speaker). Whether you like him or not, for gods sake have some decency.

He is also a member of the conservative party....disgusting really

BorneTobyWilde · 09-09-2019 04:39PM

Was shameful for the Tories to sit there while the rest of the house applauded Bercow. It was nothing to do with politics in that moment, it was about being a decent human being and acknowledging his service.

lawred2 · 09-09-2019 04:39PM

weemcd wrote: »

I'm pretty gutted Bercow is leaving, I can't blame him as the Tories were lining up to make his life a misery during the next election so he's just right to leave on his own terms. He's one of the very few members in the HOC with some integrity, and he's performed excellently in what must have been a terribly difficult job trying to mediate the clown court that is the British Commons.

I'd love to buy him a pint.

There was a natural warmth to him. Something lacking from a lot of that Tory front bench.

A collection of long sold souls.

Cork Boy 53 · 09-09-2019 04:40PM

gmisk wrote: »

He is also a member of the conservative party....disgusting really

Technically he isn`t. He was obliged to resign from the party when he became the HOC Speaker.

Itssoeasy · 09-09-2019 04:41PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Tell me how wrote: »

Bercow is going to be a big loss.
The fact that he is going under more shenanigans by the nether regions of the Tory party is indicative of everything that has gone on for the last 3 years.

Are they still continuing with the petty petty sh1t that May started in trying to stop the tradition where a retiring speaker is appointed to the house of lords?

I haven't heard anything about it recently but I had heard that was possibly the plan.

Itssoeasy · 09-09-2019 04:42PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Was shameful for the Tories to sit there while the rest of the house applauded Bercow. It was nothing to do with politics in that moment, it was about being a decent human being and acknowledging his service.

I agree that moment was a personal one from him to his family and they couldn't even pretend to be decent people.

Itssoeasy · 09-09-2019 04:46PM

Ian paisley Jr I think it is misrepresenting the fact that nationalist politicians "no longer take their seats here" but sinn fein never have and the SDLP along with the UUP cant win seats so it's not a case of the SDLP not taking their seats.

Tell me how · 09-09-2019 04:47PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I agree that moment was a personal one from him to his family and they couldn't even pretend to be decent people.

To be fair, Michael Gove did turn around and acknowledge Bercow's family and did speak very decently to him as the chief commentator from the government benches.

J Mysterio · 09-09-2019 04:49PM

gmisk wrote: »

He is also a member of the conservative party....disgusting really

I think he hasn't been a Tory since when he became Speaker - 2009.

gmisk · 09-09-2019 04:49PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Technically he isn`t. He was obliged to resign from the party when he became the HOC Speaker.

Ah your right my apologies, he was previously conservative

robinph · 09-09-2019 04:51PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Are they still continuing with the petty petty sh1t that May started in trying to stop the tradition where a retiring speaker is appointed to the house of lords?

Blair and Brown are overdue their normally issued knighthoods as well.

Enzokk · 09-09-2019 05:01PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

I've clipped his resignation speech here.

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/912439c0-627c-4f85-a4ba-14c533a880dd?in=15:37:30&out=15:46:04

As pointed out, the Tory front bench are absolutely loathsome. They can't even give a little clap for a man for 22 years of service to their national parliament (10 years as Speaker). Whether you like him or not, for gods sake have some decency.

The astonishing thing is that he was fair to eurosceptic politicians as well, but they are throwing their toys out of the pram because some of his decisions has gone against them. It is ridiculous really.

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1171079036472369152?s=20

Christy42 · 09-09-2019 05:02PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

Nightmare for Bercow to step down. Would have loved for him to stay until there was some resolution one way or another.
Who the hell might be next?

It should be labour if precedent is anything to go by (they keep switching and the speaker was a conservative before becoming speaker).

Under this regime, who knows?

ZX7R · 09-09-2019 05:14PM

With every loophole legal or not been reported in the public domain,it seems that Boris will have no choice but to put a deal in if he wants out on October 31

looksee · 09-09-2019 05:15PM

I have been watching parliamentlive.tv for the last half hour or so and it is class entertainment.

An Ciarraioch · 09-09-2019 05:15PM

Interesting comment here, is Boris preparing to backpedal?

https://twitter.com/GeorgeWParker/status/1171089035902758912

J Mysterio · 09-09-2019 05:17PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Interesting comment here, is Boris preparing to backpedal?

https://twitter.com/GeorgeWParker/status/1171089035902758912

BS is an unfortunate acronym. As far as I can see, BJ has no intention of dropping his BS.

farmchoice · 09-09-2019 05:18PM

looksee wrote: »

I have been watching parliamentlive.tv for the last half hour or so and it is class entertainment.

me too. did you spot who bercow lost the head with on the government bench? i couldn't tell, i thought it was Williamson but he seemed to be gone, was it Gove?

woejus · 09-09-2019 05:22PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Surprisingly, Bone was very supportive.

Probably because of the way Bercow pronounced his name over the years, to wit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBxr2_w5ga8

Disappointing to see the Tory frontbenchers sit on their hands, courtesy costs nothing.

Strazdas · 09-09-2019 05:28PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Interesting comment here, is Boris preparing to backpedal?

https://twitter.com/GeorgeWParker/status/1171089035902758912

I've a funny feeling an NI only backstop is firmly in play. It's the one thing that gets Johnson out of the EU by Oct 31.

prawnsambo · 09-09-2019 05:38PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I've a funny feeling an NI only backstop is firmly in play. It's the one thing that gets Johnson out of the EU by Oct 31.

It's a feeling I've had almost since he became PM. Everything he's done with his 'no deal' threats, seemed more aimed at a domestic audience than the EU. It's parliament that's prevented a deal and the one obstacle that he needs to get past, regardless of what deal he's pursuing. So wind down the clock, wind up the rhetoric and frighten them into a corner where they feel thay have no choice.

Parliament has been surprisingly resilient though. So still up in the air.

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