Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

is_that_so · 08-09-2019 06:44PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Because it is undemocratic.

Parliament were honour bound to implement the result but not under any legal obligation to do so. Not doing so would have been electorally hugely damaging to a government.

Sonny678 · 08-09-2019 06:50PM

Danzy wrote:

Pretending Brexit is rooted in WW2 or Empire is part of the reason, Remain lost, despite having nearly everyone who was anyone in politics, business and society backing them.

Danzy wrote:

Presumption is a blinding thing.

But World War 2 is a massive part of British identity. To say not is just factually wrong. Look at the list of greatest brits ever who wins World War 2 Prime minister Churchill. If u have ever lived in Britian u will see World war 2 there is an obsession with World War 2. Its understandable it was global event which Britian was central to. But if you keep looking back even a person who keeps looking back its counterproductive. Britians best days is behind it. England should go it alone. England on its own could re imagine itself and find a place in the world. But Uk. The UK RIP. Its over. Brexit is the dying kick of Great Britain. It had a good run. But Scotland will leave sometime in next 20 or 30 years and maybe very soon. And Northern Ireland also will be gone in our lifetime. Wales will stay. But United Kingdom is finished. And brexit is the reason Uk will come apart..Brexit is not Scottish or Northern Irish it is not london or Manchester. It is England. England of old Industrial north and midlands and south east. Brexit is an English phenomenon. So English separate state is the best for all. And the only way England will flourish again.

Sonny678 · 08-09-2019 06:56PM

Danzy wrote:

Pretending Brexit is rooted in WW2 or Empire is part of the reason, Remain lost, despite having nearly everyone who was anyone in politics, business and society backing them.

So World War 2 means nothing to the Brits. Name an event more talked about celebrated ate important to the Brits then World War 2 ?..Name one event just one.

Name one event that is more connected to British identity then World War 2? Name one event .

World war 2 is the single most important event in British history. Name one other event more important then WW2 Brits.

What were doing in World war 2..At war with Germany. Don't tell me this extraordinary event in British history has no impact what is going on in Brexit. Its not credible to say that.

First Up · 08-09-2019 07:37PM

Sonny678 wrote:

What were doing in World war 2..At war with Germany. Don't tell me this extraordinary event in British history has no impact what is going on in Brexit. Its not credible to say that.

It has everything to do with Brexit. That is obvious.

The sad bit is that while the UK wallows in the nostalgia of it all, the other parties to the conflict (including countries occupied and abused) have moved on and now enjoy the fruits of cooperation.

davedanon · 08-09-2019 07:48PM

Danzy wrote: »

Pretending Brexit is rooted in WW2 or Empire is part of the reason, Remain lost, despite having nearly everyone who was anyone in politics, business and society backing them.

Presumption is a blinding thing.

This may be the stupidest statement I've read in a very long time, and I've been glued to political goings-on since Trump was elected.

You have it exactly, totally, about-face, 100% WRONG. Brexit is rooted in WW2 and loss of empire, and remain losing has nothing to do with any of it. You are wronger than a wrong thing named Wrongy McWrongface, to utilise a popular Anglo-Saxon comedy trope.

McMurphy · 08-09-2019 07:52PM

Sonny678 wrote: »

So World War 2 means nothing to the Brits. Name an event more talked about celebrated ate important to the Brits then World War 2 ?..Name one event just one.

Name one event that is more connected to British identity then World War 2? Name one event .

World war 2 is the single most important event in British history. Name one other event more important then WW2 Brits.

What were doing in World war 2..At war with Germany. Don't tell me this extraordinary event in British history has no impact what is going on in Brexit. Its not credible to say that.

21 years later, winning the world cup.

08-09-2019 07:54PM

Getting bailed out by the IMF 10 years later again?

They seem to have managed to wipe that one from their collective consciousness though, to be fair, so we'll go with beating the World Power of Argentina

knipex · 08-09-2019 08:09PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

You are wrong. In the UK there is what is called "parliamentary sovereignty". Meaning that any government formed after a general election can disregard laws made by the previous parliament. A new government would not be "bound" by the previous parliament. Look it up, I am right and you are wrong.

So any law made by the Cameron Government or the previous labor government can now be ignored ??

An MP caught speeding cannot be prosecuted ? What about if they commit murder ?

Any trade agreement signed by a government is that also invalid after the next election ???

Padre_Pio · 08-09-2019 08:14PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

You are wrong. In the UK there is what is called "parliamentary sovereignty". Meaning that any government formed after a general election can disregard laws made by the previous parliament. A new government would not be "bound" by the previous parliament. Look it up, I am right and you are wrong.

The bolded piece is right, but you're mistaken.

A parliament can make or unmake any law they want, even the laws of the predecessors.
They cannot "disregard" laws and pretend they don't exist. They need to repeal these laws.

For instance, they can repeal any trade deal or treaty they want, but they must be aware there are plenty of consequences to their actions and parliaments rarely act rashly.

There are instances however where successor parliaments are bound by their predecessors and cannot repeal a particular law.
https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/sovereignty/

FunLover18 · 08-09-2019 08:59PM

'Leaked WhatsApps Reveal Some Tory MPs Are Urging Boris Johnson To Break The Law To Deliver Brexit'

https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/alexwickham/tory-mps-urge-boris-johnson-break-law?__twitter_impression=true

I suppose the Justice Secretary doesn't know what he's talking about when he says "For anyone who has any doubt, this Government, like its predecessors, observes the rule of law at all times and for all seasons."

SEPT 23 1989 · 08-09-2019 09:26PM

Leo having a wander around Dinnys warehouse down on the docks

davedanon · 08-09-2019 09:35PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Leo having a wander around Dinnys warehouse down on the docks

?

McMurphy · 08-09-2019 09:39PM

davedanon wrote: »

?

I assume they're implying that Dennis O'Brien has some warehousing facilities in and around the docks that might be used for customs checks etc in a no deal scenario.

pinkyeye · 08-09-2019 09:40PM

declanflynn wrote: »

That's not the EU's fault.
it's only the t brits that are stopping britian from leaving, everyone else can't wait for them to go

Okay Declan, now you're just annoying everyone with your t brits. :rolleyes:

davedanon · 08-09-2019 09:41PM

pinkyeye wrote: »

Okay Declan, now you're just annoying everyone with your t brits. :rolleyes:

To be honest, it doesn't bother me. I just assume illiteracy. There's plenty of it around here anyway.

Odhinn · 08-09-2019 09:41PM

WWII was the last big "win" they had internationaly. After that its a series of defeats, retreats and realising who the new master of the globe is (The US, via the Suez disaster), so yes, WWII has great emotional significance to an element within british society.

davedanon · 08-09-2019 09:43PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I assume they're implying that Dennis O'Brien has some warehousing facilities in and around the docks that might be used for customs checks etc in a no deal scenario.

Well, Dennis is who really runs the country, of course. Him and Soros.

Timberrrrrrrr · 08-09-2019 09:44PM

davedanon wrote: »

To be honest, it doesn't bother me. I just assume illiteracy. There's plenty of it around here anyway.

Same here, as an English man i find it hilarious that he feels the need to add the idiotic t as if it bothers people, kids these days hey, so cool, so edgy :pac:

Timberrrrrrrr · 08-09-2019 09:45PM

davedanon wrote: »

Well, Dennis is who really runs the country, of course. Him and Soros.

And the idiotic posts get more idiotic :pac:

Kidchameleon · 08-09-2019 10:04PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

I've never read anything so stupid in all my life.

Well done you.

Eh, you are completely wrong but I dont think your stupid.

Kidchameleon · 08-09-2019 10:05PM

FunLover18 wrote: »

'Leaked WhatsApps Reveal Some Tory MPs Are Urging Boris Johnson To Break The Law To Deliver Brexit'

https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/alexwickham/tory-mps-urge-boris-johnson-break-law?__twitter_impression=true

I suppose the Justice Secretary doesn't know what he's talking about when he says "For anyone who has any doubt, this Government, like its predecessors, observes the rule of law at all times and for all seasons."

Lol buzzfeed

Allinall · 08-09-2019 10:07PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Eh, you are completely wrong but I dont think your stupid.

They’re not wrong.

08-09-2019 10:11PM

Odhinn wrote: »

WWII was the last big "win" they had internationaly. After that its a series of defeats, retreats and realising who the new master of the globe is (The US, via the Suez disaster), so yes, WWII has great emotional significance to an element within british society.

It could be that, or it could be the fact the there are a lot of people in the UK who still remember the thousands of loved ones that were killed or injured and recognize the fact that for a large number of people, it is still in living memory.

Or the descendants of the 80,000 Jewish refugees that came to the UK still think it is a good idea to remember why they ended up there?

But yeah it could be some **** about nostalgia I guess.

Junkyard Tom · 08-09-2019 10:14PM

Kidchameleon · 08-09-2019 10:16PM

Allinall wrote: »

They’re not wrong.

Citations please. Many many times new governments have done what I am saying. Tony Blair was the last one

davedanon · 08-09-2019 10:27PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Citations please. Many many times new governments have done what I am saying. Tony Blair was the last one

You mean 'disregarding old laws'? You know it doesn't work that way, right? It was explained to you earlier. The laws have to be repealed. A vote is involved...it's a democratic process, not a fascistic/totalitarian one, such as you describe.

Allinall · 08-09-2019 10:33PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Citations please. Many many times new governments have done what I am saying. Tony Blair was the last one

You made the claim.

What exactly did Tony Blair do?

cryptocurrency · 08-09-2019 10:33PM

Boris masterplan is starting to show. Papers explaining how he plans to avoid the extension request.

Allinall · 08-09-2019 10:34PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Boris masterplan is starting to show. Papers explaining how he plans to avoid the extension request.

What papers?

Link?

Kidchameleon · 08-09-2019 10:37PM

davedanon wrote: »

You mean 'disregarding old laws'? You know it doesn't work that way, right? It was explained to you earlier. The laws have to be repealed. A vote is involved...it's a democratic process, not a fascistic/totalitarian one, such as you describe.

https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/glossary/parliamentary-sovereignty/

Its all in that link. Lets say Boris wins the election, he will have a huge majority. He can, using parliamentary sovereignty, remove the law being proposed. I might add, it is still not law yet. He could advise the queen tomorow not to pass it. It could be subject to legal challenge before it is passed.

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