Robert Mugabe RIP

The Tetrarch · 06-09-2019 06:55PM

I spent two years in Zambia (formerly Northern Rhodesia) in the late 1970s.
A nice old man, Dismas, brought me a cup of tea mid-morning.
When chatting to him he said it was better in the old days when the British ruled. They were tough, but there was little corruption. He thought the poor people were worse off since independence.

AudreyHepburn · 06-09-2019 07:00PM

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

He started out with good intentions. Freedom and justice for his country.

Like many countries, it ended up with mass corruption, nepotism and suppression of democracy.

The Zimbabweans traded racist white rule for incompetent local rule.

There’s a saying that the road to bell is paved with good intentions.

Good his intentions may have been at the start but they don’t justify what he became or how he destroyed his people and country.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 06-09-2019 07:29PM

Woke Hogan wrote: »

“Waaaaa waaaa waaaa”

“Reeeee reeeee reeeee”

Come back to me when you can use your words.

Raconteuse wrote: »

Yes, they're the only terms I use. I don't write any others.

Poor.

Mod note: Take it elsewhere, the two of you, it's neither needed nor wanted here

Buford T. Justice

nacho libre · 06-09-2019 07:35PM

touts wrote: »

That's certainly Mickey D's view.

Of course most reasonable people would say peace be upon the victims of the likes of Castro, Mugabe, Mao, Stalin and the many other great socialist icons that have stalked this world.

And Pinochet tout. I am sure you are even handed in your condemnation, no matter what flag a dictator wraps around himself.

DellyBelly · 06-09-2019 07:44PM

Genuinely shocked when I heard this news. I didn't even know he was ill. A figure who won't be forgotten

Hande hoche! · 06-09-2019 08:31PM

Been too long since I have had a Nandos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls1VCPoN9GI

blinding · 06-09-2019 08:40PM

He was mis-understood .

He should have been killed years ago !

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2019 09:04PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I’m not so sure you really know a thing about our President to be honest.

Again any support he showed for any despot would have been shown before said despot showed himself for what he really was.

Michael D described Castro as one of the greats after his death. I'm pretty sure Mickey was aware of Castro's past .

mikeym · 06-09-2019 09:10PM

If he had his way he would have wanted to still be in power up until his death.

JohnnyFlash · 06-09-2019 09:25PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Michael D described Castro as one of the greats after his death. I'm pretty sure Mickey was aware of Castro's past .

What's authentic about Michael is the belief that he actually meant it. It's what's makes him such a good President - that and his adorably pompous voice and short stature.

MDH found himself in the heady world of Galway in the 60's. He became a minor intellectual within his sect, and soon became enamoured with the ideas that were coming out of the political arm of the disbanded OIRA (see also: Charlie Bird, Eoghan Harris, Marian Finucane, the lad who writes in the back of the Sindo, Trevor Gregory et al). All ideas about the need to not get engaged in armed conflict up North, and to look towards the success of the Soviet Union in seeing how we could somehow reach having a 32 county Socialist Republic.

Castro would have been very much a hero to the Maxwell House coffee drinking sorts of the era. He gave the socialist raised fist to an era of Nixon. And you can never forget the chutzpah he demonstrated when getting involved in that missile crisis stuff.

Turns out that Castro was just your regular nasty dictator. He didn't particularly care for the plight of his people, but he did sort of believe in socialism. Didn't like gay people, or gay journalists in particular, but that's the sort of thing that gets fudged when trying to make a saint out of a sinner.

El Presidente never got over his love for Castro though. The sort of mild-mannered dictator that wouldn't offend anyone when talking about hypotheticals. And he was a buddy of young Che as well.

Cool.

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2019 09:55PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

What's authentic about Michael is the belief that he actually meant it. It's what's makes him such a good President - that and his adorably pompous voice and short stature.

I would have described Higgins as a deluded little gob****e for his views on Castro. Even when Castro's abhorrent behaviour was evident the gob****e still called him 'one of the greats'. You are far more eloquent than I would care to be.

c.p.w.g.w · 06-09-2019 10:15PM

Good Riddance to a Facist bag of sh!t

JohnnyFlash · 06-09-2019 10:26PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I would have described Higgins as a deluded little gob****e for his views on Castro. Even when Castro's abhorrent behaviour was evident the gob****e still called him 'one of the greats'. You are far more eloquent than I would care to be.

You don't like any politicians though, do you? It's that weird thing where shortcomings are projected onto others, so they don't need to be explored by the ego.

I love Michael D. Absolutely great President. Even if I don't agree with his long term love of socialist dictators. Those without sin should cast the first stone and all that.

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2019 10:32PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

You don't like any politicians though, do you? It's that weird thing where shortcomings are projected onto others, so they don't need to be explored by the ego.

My like or dislike of politicians is irrelevant. I have a right to judge someone as a deluded gob****e when they heap praise on a dictator.

I love Michael D. Absolutely great President. Even if I don't agree with his long term love of socialist dictators. Those without sin should cast the first stone and all that.

You have a right to your opinion it is no more or less valid than my own.

interactive · 07-09-2019 12:31AM

Spend a little time looking into Nelson Mandela, why was he in prison, he was not a good man, give it a few years and the Media will portrait Mugabe in the same light as Mandela.

Kristopherus · 07-09-2019 12:43AM

interactive wrote: »

Spend a little time looking into Nelson Mandela, why was he in prison, he was not a good man, give it a few years and the Media will portrait Mugabe in the same light as Mandela.

Hopefully not. Mugabe was a tyrant and had sfa good going for him. Should have been knocked off 20yrs ago.

Edgware · 07-09-2019 12:45AM

interactive wrote: »

Spend a little time looking into Nelson Mandela, why was he in prison, he was not a good man, give it a few years and the Media will portrait Mugabe in the same light as Mandela.

Mandela didnt behave in the corrupt criminal way Mugabe did. Unfortunately his wife Winnie and the rest of his comrades in the A.N.C. decided to get rich at the expense of the ordinary A.N.C. supporter. Not unlike Gerry (three houses) and the Peacemakers. They got rich by their rackeeering or by turning tout like Donaldson and Scapatticci

interactive · 07-09-2019 01:06AM

Edgware wrote: »

Mandela didnt behave in the corrupt criminal way Mugabe did. Unfortunately his wife Winnie and the rest of his comrades in the A.N.C. decided to get rich at the expense of the ordinary A.N.C. supporter. Not unlike Gerry (three houses) and the Peacemakers. They got rich by their rackeeering or by turning tout like Donaldson and Scapatticci

Mandela in later years had a good message for the masses, but he did a lot of wrong in the day , he enabled Winnie to do a tremendous amount of wrong, i believe he has a lot of credit in the Good column, but a substantial amount in the Bad column, he was not the saint the media paints him to be.

rossie1977 · 07-09-2019 02:08AM

interactive wrote: »

Spend a little time looking into Nelson Mandela, why was he in prison, he was not a good man, give it a few years and the Media will portrait Mugabe in the same light as Mandela.

Nonsense.

I think you might want to do a little research on apartheid at the time and what Mandela was fighting against. Maybe you think Michael Collins should be viewed in same light as Mugabe too?

Nobody is going to compare Mugabe to Mandela in 10, 20 or even 100 years..nobody outside his supporters in Zimbabwe that is.

I have been to South Africa and talked to black South Africans and they view Mugabe very negatively.

interactive · 07-09-2019 03:46AM

rossie1977 wrote: »

Nonsense.

I think you might want to do a little research on apartheid at the time and what Mandela was fighting against. Maybe you think Michael Collins should be viewed in same light as Mugabe too?

Nobody is going to compare Mugabe to Mandela in 10, 20 or even 100 years..nobody outside his supporters in Zimbabwe that is.

I have been to South Africa and talked to black South Africans and they view Mugabe very negatively.

I have met many, many Black South Africa in the last 10 years, i have asked them what was it like under apartheid compared to today, EVERY single one of them has said it was much better under apartheid, EVERY ONE OF THEM, none have said it is better now.
Poverty and crime is much worse.
Mandela is a media pushed myth, do your own research, come to your own conclusion

branie2 · 07-09-2019 07:36AM

Doesn't deserve an RIP

Edgware · 07-09-2019 06:47PM

interactive wrote: »

I have met many, many Black South Africa in the last 10 years, i have asked them what was it like under apartheid compared to today, EVERY single one of them has said it was much better under apartheid, EVERY ONE OF THEM, none have said it is better now.
Poverty and crime is much worse.
Mandela is a media pushed myth, do your own research, come to your own conclusion

You get the same response in some of the former Soviet Bloc countries, regions of Moldova, Romania even East Germany

Robert Mugabe RIP

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