Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

Forty Seven wrote: »

BBC scotland. It's a fly on the wall documentary about a roma gang from Poland operating a slavery ring with over 300 foreign nationals. It will have the leavers foaming at the mouth.

In Scotland? Both of the leavers?

prawnsambo wrote: »

you think that they can't be that vacuous, there has to be a cunning plan behind the bluff and bluster. Unfortunately not. It's just bluff and bluster.

I saw several journos on Twitter say early on that their sources in Whitehall told them people were overestimating the amount of thought that had gone into Boris's plans.


He really did think that just going at it with more oomph would move things along.

Peregrinus wrote: »

(And there is the added incentive that doing so puts Johnson in a terrible bind - go back on his word not to request an A50 extension, resign to avoid doing so, or go to prison?)

There is no way the opposition are going to pass up this opportunity to have a dead man walking fronting the Tory re-election campaign. "do or die" by Oct 1st, but here, vote for me on the 15th November where we are still in the EU. It's a massive chunk of his credibility gone up front.

The ironing is delicious. :pac:

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Unionsts would feel isolated if left alone.

And also the UK can't be bound into a union that they want to leave.

Unionists should have thought about that before voting for Brexit.

No sympathy.

VinLieger wrote: »

Ahh yes the poor unionists, so accepting of other beliefs and opinions that for their biggest celebrstion of the year they spend it burning flags and effigies of everyone they disagree with....

As others have pointed out the unionist projection that in a UI they would be treated in a similar way to how they would want to treat nationalists if unionists had 100% power is just incorrect. It simply wouldnt happen because we are not bitter old troglodytes but also ironically the laws of the EU wouldnt let it happen either.

They'd probably have more freedoms to express their culture in a UI.

Akrasia wrote: »

That same document was denounced as ‘project fear’during the referendum campaign

Leave voters voted based on promises from the leave campaign that all the warnings from the remains side were exaggerated and untrue...

Exactly. This BS argument that leavers knew their vote would mean leaving the SM because the government pamphlet said so, while at the time same time the leave campaign said the pamphlet was project fear and could be ignored. We are expected to believe that leave voters actually did not actually believe this leave campaign position and assumed it was a lie but still voted for the liars?!

murphaph wrote: »

Exactly. This BS argument that leavers knew their vote would mean leaving the SM because the government pamphlet said so, while at the time same time the leave campaign said the pamphlet was project fear and could be ignored. We are expected to believe that leave voters actually did not actually believe this leave campaign position and assumed it was a lie but still voted for the liars?!

And I've yet to see any interview where they're taken to task on this. The journalist either give the Brexiters a free pass or brush over the usual project fear reply. If they do happen to ask again they're hit with the 'but the people voted' or 'do you not believe in democracy' bs.

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

It's not something that comes naturally to us in Ireland, we hear a plummy English accent and think "w@nker", but I was watching a Stephen Fry show about language at one stage, and he was visiting a call centre. The boss was explaining to him that they set up in the North East because the Geordie accent is the most liked in the UK, it's seen as the most friendly.


But, said the boss, if the person calling isn't happy and wants to speak to a supervisor to sort out a problem, Stephen Fry would be perfect for that role because his Oxbridge accent tells the caller that he has authority.


So yes, lots of ordinary people across the UK are used to thinking that an important person, a person who should naturally be in charge, sounds like Boris. It's just part of their class system from birth.

I can see that, but I wonder what effect it will have that the posh accents has caused the problems for the last 9 years? It's all good and well when such a person tells you he knows what is wrong and he can fix it by doing, A B and C, but to have such a person waffle and have no plan should surely play a role. Cameron would be someone with a posh accent and a sense of authority that would play well with people and why he easily beat Ed Miliband. He just looked and sounded like he knew what he was doing.

For Johnson part of his charm is that he isn't like Cameron, he makes mistakes and says the wrong things which is charming. But when it comes to sorting out people's problems this may not be the right person they are looking for right now. Johnson's plan was perfect, take over from Cameron when things were still going to be stable after the UK stayed in the EU, but to have his style try to navigate them out of a crises?

gmisk wrote: »

What did Mogg apologise for?

I hope he apologised for sleeping on the job and taking up three seats in the HoC while he was doing it.
He could also apologise for showing contempt for the important debate that was taking place at the time.

Roger_007 wrote: »

I hope he apologised for sleeping on the job and taking up three seats in the HoC while he was doing it.
He could also apologise for showing contempt for the important debate that was taking place at the time.

Nope. I had no idea which one of his sh#tty statements it would be there are so many
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/05/brexit-lords--blow--boris-johnson-pass-bill-stopping-no-deal-politics-live

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Jacob Rees-Mogg has apologised after comparing a consultant who helped draw up no-deal medical plans to the disgraced anti-vaxxer Andrew Wakefield.
Rees-Mogg had told MPs that, in warning about the possible effects of a no-deal Brexit on medical supplies, Nicholl was being as irresponsible as Wakefield, who was struck off the medical register in 2010 after suggesting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism. Rees-Mogg apologised after intense pressure from the medical profession, as well as Westminster colleagues.

Forty Seven wrote: »

This referendum came about and was voted in because of immigration. There would be no support for the single market as it comes with free movement of people.

Sorry but that's a ridiculous notion. Voter's were poisoned to think immigration in the final days of the campaign. It was a ploy by the unhonourable Cummings.


You nor the other 30 odd million voters in that referendum gave a crap about the EU before it. In fact I'd say it came up in conversation never.

Roger_007 wrote: »

I hope he apologised for sleeping on the job and taking up three seats in the HoC while he was doing it.

I have seen it suggested that this is a Cummings special for Search Engine Optimization.

A Tory lies on the Government benches so that when someone googles "Tory Government Lies" they get a comical image instead of what they wanted.

Same as Boris invented a hobby of painting model buses so that when people google Brexit bus boris they get that instead of the 350m red bus.