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100% renewable electricity companies, bull****.

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  • 05-09-2019 1:09pm
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    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,164 ✭✭✭✭


    Sse, energia. How can they brag about providing 100% clean electricity when their electricity is “mixed in” with fossil fuel generated electricity, in the transmission and distribution network? Surely this is misleading customers.
    Some people seem to think the electricity they are using in their house comes straight from a wind farm exclusively!


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    Fart
    Registered Users Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭Fart


    They use fuel from the fossils of vegan dinosaurs.


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    Xterminator
    Registered Users Posts: 4,722 ✭✭✭Xterminator


    how did they mislead you?

    do you think they have a completely separate electricity infrastructure for the delivery of renewable electricity? If you thought that, i would suspect it was a 'you' problem.


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    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,164 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Fart wrote: »
    They use fuel from the fossils of vegan dinosaurs.

    Still not renewable.


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    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,164 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Xterminator wrote: »
    how did they mislead you?

    do you think they have a completely separate electricity infrastructure for the delivery of renewable electricity? If you thought that, i would suspect it was a 'you' problem.

    Didn’t mislead me. They are misleading others.


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    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users Posts: 5,754 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Still not renewable.


    Will be once Jurassic Park gets up and running.


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    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,164 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Deebles McBeebles wrote: »
    Will be once Jurassic Park gets up and running.

    When? Where? How much?


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    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users Posts: 5,754 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    tom1ie wrote: »
    When? Where? How much?


    I hear Inis Mor is a possibility. Planning to take the ferry over and just throw all my money at them once confirmed.


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    blackbox
    Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭blackbox


    They can only sell the electricity they buy, and they claim to only buy it from renewable sources.
    The actual electrons in the transmission network are irrelevant.

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    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,164 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    blackbox wrote: »
    They can only sell the electricity they buy, and they claim to only buy it from renewable sources.
    The actual electrons in the transmission network are irrelevant.

    .

    But of course its relevant.
    They say they are selling 100% renewable electricity.
    The electricity they are selling is NOT 100% renewable.
    It’s false advertising.


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    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,414 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    blackbox wrote: »
    They can only sell the electricity they buy, and they claim to only buy it from renewable sources.
    The actual electrons in the transmission network are irrelevant.

    .


    Do they shut down on calm days?


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    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    OP there is a greta thread you'd be most welcome on to vent your fury. Just be veryyyyyyyyyyy careful


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    the beer revolu
    Registered Users Posts: 16,823 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    tom1ie wrote: »
    But of course its relevant.
    They say they are selling 100% renewable electricity.
    The electricity they are selling is NOT 100% renewable.
    It’s false advertising.


    Assuming that 100% of the electricity that they sell into the grid is from renewable sources, how is it false advertising?


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    mickdw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,293 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Sse, energia. How can they brag about providing 100% clean electricity when their electricity is “mixed in” with fossil fuel generated electricity, in the transmission and distribution network? Surely this is misleading customers.
    Some people seem to think the electricity they are using in their house comes straight from a wind farm exclusively!

    Well I dont agree with the advertising either but to be fair if they were to produce x amount of power per year from wind and sold the same amountof of power to customers, all there electricity would be renewably produced. The mixing it onto the grid isnt such an issue. I doubt they just sell exactly what they produce though, more likely they just resell electricity like Bord Gais etc and the renewable only makes up a portion of sales.


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    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,164 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    OP there is a greta thread you'd be most welcome on to vent your fury. Just be veryyyyyyyyyyy careful

    Ah no I’m not furious, it’s just I thought this was false advertising 101.
    What’s a Greta thread?


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    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Ah no I’m not furious, it’s just I thought this was false advertising 101.
    What’s a Greta thread?

    Just pop in to current affairs, it's generally at the top of latest posts


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    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,164 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    mickdw wrote: »
    Well I dont agree with the advertising either but to be fair if they were to produce x amount of power per year from wind and sold the same amountof of power to customers, all there electricity would be renewably produced. The mixing it onto the grid isnt such an issue. I doubt they just sell exactly what they produce, more likely they just resell electricity like Bord Gais etc.

    But the company is misleading customers, who don’t know how the network works, into thinking they are getting 100% renewable electricity out of their network meter.


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    99problems1
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    the beer revolu wrote: »
    Assuming that 100% of the electricity that they sell into the grid is from renewable sources, how is it false advertising?

    If they generate 100MWH of electricity in total and then 50MWH of that is renewable, yet companies who are supplied use the full 100MWH, then every company supplied will claim their electricity is 100% renewable.


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    the beer revolu
    Registered Users Posts: 16,823 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I thought the schools were back?


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    NaFirinne
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    Where is the 100% renewable energy being advertised?


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    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,164 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    NaFirinne wrote: »
    Where is the 100% renewable energy being advertised?

    On the radio.


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    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,164 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    the beer revolu wrote: »
    I thought the schools were back?

    You thought correct.


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    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Can see the OP's point. I don't get the issue people have with it.

    As far as I know, they put money only towards the renewable energy sources involved in the mix for electricity production. Still misleading though.


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    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    It's like when Dick Roche claimed in 2006 that we wouldn't import any nuclear-generated electricity from the inter-connectors back in 2006.

    He was a right fcuking idiot though.


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    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,944 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    NaFirinne wrote: »
    Where is the 100% renewable energy being advertised?

    It's all here.

    https://www.sseairtricity.com/ie/home/about-us/fuel-sources/

    They only generate/buy renewal energy. They can only supply what they buy/generate. So what they supply is 100% renewable.

    This doesn't mean that every electron that oscillates in the wires of your home once came from a renewable energy source. Electricity isn't like water. You can't trace the origin of a bit of it back through the grid to source.


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    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    tom1ie wrote: »
    But the company is misleading customers, who don’t know how the network works, into thinking they are getting 100% renewable electricity out of their network meter.

    I think you're missing the point.

    If you buy your electricity off energia say - they don't especially filter out only the energia electricity for you. It's not like they can store it in a big tank and run it to your house down your own dedicated electricity hose!


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    Markcheese
    Registered Users Posts: 8,432 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    I think you're missing the point.

    If you buy your electricity off energia say - they don't especially filter out only the energia electricity for you. It's not like they can store it in a big tank and run it to your house down your own dedicated electricity hose!

    Aaaawwwwhhhhh, I was kinda liking the idea of an energy hose,
    Is the op an sse airtricity customer..?

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,164 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    tom1ie wrote: »
    But the company is misleading customers, who don’t know how the network works, into thinking they are getting 100% renewable electricity out of their network meter.

    I think you're missing the point.

    If you buy your electricity off energia say - they don't especially filter out only the energia electricity for you. It's not like they can store it in a big tank and run it to your house down your own dedicated electricity hose!

    That's kinda my point! They are saying 100% renewable. That's impossible to have for the consumer unless they are off grid or the providers supply their own transmission and distribution network to supply that house.


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    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,164 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Markcheese wrote: »
    Aaaawwwwhhhhh, I was kinda liking the idea of an energy hose,
    Is the op an sse airtricity customer..?

    Nope.


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    Dakota Dan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,764 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Sse, energia. How can they brag about providing 100% clean electricity when their electricity is “mixed in” with fossil fuel generated electricity, in the transmission and distribution network? Surely this is misleading customers.
    Some people seem to think the electricity they are using in their house comes straight from a wind farm exclusively!

    Electricity can never be 100% renewable.


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    Blanc von lobster
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭Blanc von lobster


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Still not renewable.

    No. But it is recycling.


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