100% renewable electricity companies, bull****.

tom1ie

Sse, energia. How can they brag about providing 100% clean electricity when their electricity is “mixed in” with fossil fuel generated electricity, in the transmission and distribution network? Surely this is misleading customers.
Some people seem to think the electricity they are using in their house comes straight from a wind farm exclusively!

Fart

They use fuel from the fossils of vegan dinosaurs.

Xterminator

how did they mislead you?

do you think they have a completely separate electricity infrastructure for the delivery of renewable electricity? If you thought that, i would suspect it was a 'you' problem.

tom1ie

Fart wrote: »

They use fuel from the fossils of vegan dinosaurs.

Still not renewable.

tom1ie

Xterminator wrote: »

how did they mislead you?

do you think they have a completely separate electricity infrastructure for the delivery of renewable electricity? If you thought that, i would suspect it was a 'you' problem.

Didn’t mislead me. They are misleading others.

Deebles McBeebles

tom1ie wrote: »

Still not renewable.

Will be once Jurassic Park gets up and running.

tom1ie

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Will be once Jurassic Park gets up and running.

When? Where? How much?

Deebles McBeebles

tom1ie wrote: »

When? Where? How much?

I hear Inis Mor is a possibility. Planning to take the ferry over and just throw all my money at them once confirmed.

blackbox

They can only sell the electricity they buy, and they claim to only buy it from renewable sources.
The actual electrons in the transmission network are irrelevant.

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tom1ie

blackbox wrote: »

They can only sell the electricity they buy, and they claim to only buy it from renewable sources.
The actual electrons in the transmission network are irrelevant.

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But of course its relevant.
They say they are selling 100% renewable electricity.
The electricity they are selling is NOT 100% renewable.
It’s false advertising.

kneemos

blackbox wrote: »

They can only sell the electricity they buy, and they claim to only buy it from renewable sources.
The actual electrons in the transmission network are irrelevant.

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Do they shut down on calm days?

Stevieluvsye

OP there is a greta thread you'd be most welcome on to vent your fury. Just be veryyyyyyyyyyy careful

the beer revolu

tom1ie wrote: »

But of course its relevant.
They say they are selling 100% renewable electricity.
The electricity they are selling is NOT 100% renewable.
It’s false advertising.

Assuming that 100% of the electricity that they sell into the grid is from renewable sources, how is it false advertising?

mickdw

tom1ie wrote: »

Sse, energia. How can they brag about providing 100% clean electricity when their electricity is “mixed in” with fossil fuel generated electricity, in the transmission and distribution network? Surely this is misleading customers.
Some people seem to think the electricity they are using in their house comes straight from a wind farm exclusively!

Well I dont agree with the advertising either but to be fair if they were to produce x amount of power per year from wind and sold the same amountof of power to customers, all there electricity would be renewably produced. The mixing it onto the grid isnt such an issue. I doubt they just sell exactly what they produce though, more likely they just resell electricity like Bord Gais etc and the renewable only makes up a portion of sales.

tom1ie

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

OP there is a greta thread you'd be most welcome on to vent your fury. Just be veryyyyyyyyyyy careful

Ah no I’m not furious, it’s just I thought this was false advertising 101.
What’s a Greta thread?

Stevieluvsye

tom1ie wrote: »

Ah no I’m not furious, it’s just I thought this was false advertising 101.
What’s a Greta thread?

Just pop in to current affairs, it's generally at the top of latest posts

tom1ie

mickdw wrote: »

Well I dont agree with the advertising either but to be fair if they were to produce x amount of power per year from wind and sold the same amountof of power to customers, all there electricity would be renewably produced. The mixing it onto the grid isnt such an issue. I doubt they just sell exactly what they produce, more likely they just resell electricity like Bord Gais etc.

But the company is misleading customers, who don’t know how the network works, into thinking they are getting 100% renewable electricity out of their network meter.

99problems1

the beer revolu wrote: »

Assuming that 100% of the electricity that they sell into the grid is from renewable sources, how is it false advertising?

If they generate 100MWH of electricity in total and then 50MWH of that is renewable, yet companies who are supplied use the full 100MWH, then every company supplied will claim their electricity is 100% renewable.

the beer revolu

I thought the schools were back?

NaFirinne

Where is the 100% renewable energy being advertised?

tom1ie

NaFirinne wrote: »

Where is the 100% renewable energy being advertised?

On the radio.

tom1ie

the beer revolu wrote: »

I thought the schools were back?

You thought correct.

Raconteuse

Can see the OP's point. I don't get the issue people have with it.

As far as I know, they put money only towards the renewable energy sources involved in the mix for electricity production. Still misleading though.

facehugger99

It's like when Dick Roche claimed in 2006 that we wouldn't import any nuclear-generated electricity from the inter-connectors back in 2006.

He was a right fcuking idiot though.

Gregor Samsa

NaFirinne wrote: »

Where is the 100% renewable energy being advertised?

It's all here.

https://www.sseairtricity.com/ie/home/about-us/fuel-sources/

They only generate/buy renewal energy. They can only supply what they buy/generate. So what they supply is 100% renewable.

This doesn't mean that every electron that oscillates in the wires of your home once came from a renewable energy source. Electricity isn't like water. You can't trace the origin of a bit of it back through the grid to source.

sbsquarepants

tom1ie wrote: »

But the company is misleading customers, who don’t know how the network works, into thinking they are getting 100% renewable electricity out of their network meter.

I think you're missing the point.

If you buy your electricity off energia say - they don't especially filter out only the energia electricity for you. It's not like they can store it in a big tank and run it to your house down your own dedicated electricity hose!

Markcheese

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I think you're missing the point.

If you buy your electricity off energia say - they don't especially filter out only the energia electricity for you. It's not like they can store it in a big tank and run it to your house down your own dedicated electricity hose!

Aaaawwwwhhhhh, I was kinda liking the idea of an energy hose,
Is the op an sse airtricity customer..?

tom1ie

sbsquarepants wrote: »

tom1ie wrote: »

But the company is misleading customers, who don’t know how the network works, into thinking they are getting 100% renewable electricity out of their network meter.

I think you're missing the point.

If you buy your electricity off energia say - they don't especially filter out only the energia electricity for you. It's not like they can store it in a big tank and run it to your house down your own dedicated electricity hose!

That's kinda my point! They are saying 100% renewable. That's impossible to have for the consumer unless they are off grid or the providers supply their own transmission and distribution network to supply that house.

tom1ie

Markcheese wrote: »

Aaaawwwwhhhhh, I was kinda liking the idea of an energy hose,
Is the op an sse airtricity customer..?

Nope.

Dakota Dan

tom1ie wrote: »

Sse, energia. How can they brag about providing 100% clean electricity when their electricity is “mixed in” with fossil fuel generated electricity, in the transmission and distribution network? Surely this is misleading customers.
Some people seem to think the electricity they are using in their house comes straight from a wind farm exclusively!

Electricity can never be 100% renewable.

Blanc von lobster

tom1ie wrote: »

Still not renewable.

No. But it is recycling.

mickoneill31

I think it's a pity that people get incensed over this kind of thing. If the company has 1000 customers they have to produce enough energy from renewable sources to put that into the grid. If they increase to 10,000 customers then they have to increase their supply accordingly.

Expecting this to be filtered out and supplied in a seperate cable would be ludicrous. Most people of average intelligence would figure out that it's connected up to the existing grid and the electricty I'm using to power my device typing this post may or may not have been from a renewable source.

Sir Osis of Liver.

facehugger99 wrote: »

It's like when Dick Roche claimed in 2006 that we wouldn't import any nuclear-generated electricity from the inter-connectors back in 2006.

He was a right fcuking idiot though.

Yeah,wtf would Dickie Rock know about the electric...Stick to the cabaret singing big ears.

Dakota Dan

Sir Osis of Liver. wrote: »

Yeah,wtf would Dickie Rock know about the electric...Stick to the cabaret singing big ears.

boombang

Think the OP has a fair point. No consistent supply at the time of required use currently relies solely on either direct or stored renewable energy, but relies on fossil fuel supply to a degree (AFAIK).

OP, write to whatever lame advertising regulator we have and tell us how you get on

tom1ie

Dakota Dan wrote: »

tom1ie wrote: »

Sse, energia. How can they brag about providing 100% clean electricity when their electricity is “mixed in” with fossil fuel generated electricity, in the transmission and distribution network? Surely this is misleading customers.
Some people seem to think the electricity they are using in their house comes straight from a wind farm exclusively!

Electricity can never be 100% renewable.

Well, theoretically if you have a big enough battery bank plus solar and wind you live "off grid" and live on 100% electricity. But on a large scale we are not there at the moment and companies are misleading their customers.

tom1ie

mickoneill31 wrote: »

I think it's a pity that people get incensed over this kind of thing. If the company has 1000 customers they have to produce enough energy from renewable sources to put that into the grid. If they increase to 10,000 customers then they have to increase their supply accordingly.

Expecting this to be filtered out and supplied in a seperate cable would be ludicrous. Most people of average intelligence would figure out that it's connected up to the existing grid and the electricty I'm using to power my device typing this post may or may not have been from a renewable source.

Yes agreed. However the company are not advertising this. They advertise 100% renewable. Which is ridiculous

tom1ie

boombang wrote: »

Think the OP has a fair point. No consistent supply at the time of required use currently relies solely on either direct or stored renewable energy, but relies on fossil fuel supply to a degree (AFAIK).

OP, write to whatever lame advertising regulator we have and tell us how you get on

Exactly. I could write to the regulator......but really I just came on here to moan!!