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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,858 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,267 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I presume offering a free pass in the HOL of the Benn Bill in return for a GE on Oct 14th.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Interesting question raised on Tom Swarbick on LBC just now where it was asked what is stopping Boris bringing forward his porogue tomorrow and none could say it could not be done but noted that it would trigger a vote of no confidence in him...which would trigger an election.

    Now they are talking about the tories triggering a vote of no confidence in themselves ...strange times indeed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,858 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Can someone explain the deal it's been 'whispered'(according to Newsnight) that Boris might offer Corbyn?
    I wouldn't put much store in it, but it seems like stop the filibuster in the Lords and Corbyn gets an election in late October. But it's the BBC who seem; rather than have journalists, have people who are willing and useful leak conduits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,858 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Interesting question raised on Tom Swarbick on LBC just now where it was asked what is stopping Boris bringing forward his porogue tomorrow and none could say it could not be done but noted that it would trigger a vote of no confidence in him...which would trigger an election
    Because he can't. The Queen allowed specific dates. He'd have to go back to have it changed. I think she'd set the corgis on him. Or Philip in his Range Rover. Or both.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Because he can't. The Queen allowed specific dates. He'd have to go back to have it changed. I think she'd set the corgis on him. Or Philip in his Range Rover. Or both.

    now they are talking about tories triggering a no confidence vote themselves


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,858 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    now they are talking about tories triggering a no confidence vote themselves
    Imagine if Johnson lost (won) a vote of no confidence that he proposed himself. The ultimate mark of failure. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,272 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    now they are talking about tories triggering a no confidence vote themselves
    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Imagine if Johnson lost a vote of no confidence that he proposed himself. The ultimate mark of failure. :D

    As much money as I'd love to pay to see that - they're desperate so let them squirm.

    The mad irony being that they would probably still win an election based on an antique method of voting that, despite being antique, just over half the world (granted most of them faux democracies) still insist on using.

    Madness.


  • Administrators Posts: 55,187 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Losing a vote of no confidence doesn't automatically trigger an election if I remember right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Ronin247


    Would everyone else vote confidence in Boris and he wins by 329 to 300?. Now that wouldbe funny. Libdem, labour,SNP all voting confidence in him and the conservatives voting against him.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,689 ✭✭✭Infini


    https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1168949410832797697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1168949410832797697&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fczji4b%3Fresponsive%3Dtrue%26is_nightmode%3Dtrue

    Posted on reddit.com/r/brexit

    Pretty much sums ups Boris's attitude, he's only interested in smashing the place with no interest in the collateral damage or lives it could cost.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,858 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    awec wrote: »
    Losing a vote of no confidence doesn't automatically trigger an election if I remember right.
    I think it just gives that option to the government of the day. But Westminster is such an archaic institution, it's hard to know facts from conjecture. It's currently Wednesday in the House of Lords. If the filibuster continues tomorrow, it will still be Wednesday. In fact it can be Wednesday all week if they continue. Until they say otherwise. In the face of that insanity, what's a VoNC?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,858 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Infini wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1168949410832797697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1168949410832797697&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fczji4b%3Fresponsive%3Dtrue%26is_nightmode%3Dtrue

    Posted on reddit.com/r/brexit

    Pretty much sums ups Boris's attitude, he's only interested in smashing the place with no interest in the collateral damage or lives it could cost.
    And they're in Brussels drinking coffee or something. They're definitely not negotiating anything. Pretty blunt assessment from Philipe Lamberts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,689 ✭✭✭Infini


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/04/more-than-100000-people-apply-register-vote-youth-uk-general-election

    From Guardian. Surge in younger voters registering to vote. Potential wildcard maybe in enough numbers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    prawnsambo wrote: »

    That was great. He's spot on with everything he said.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭maebee


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    And they're in Brussels drinking coffee or something. They're definitely not negotiating anything. Pretty blunt assessment from Philipe Lamberts.

    He's spot on - English Nationalist Party - Hard Brexit :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,858 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Infini wrote: »
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/04/more-than-100000-people-apply-register-vote-youth-uk-general-election

    From Guardian. Surge in younger voters registering to vote. Potential wildcard maybe in enough numbers.
    Well that should screw up the polls. :)


    Good to see though, seeing some tweets about younger kids glued to the telly, riveted to the likes of Jess Philips and Jo Swinson. If people haven't seen Jess Philips' speech, you can see it here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,858 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    That was great. He's spot on with everything he said.
    maebee wrote: »
    He's spot on - English Nationalist Party - Hard Brexit :(
    Just proves; if it needed proving, that nothing escapes the notice of people in other European countries. They're shouting away in the HoC and it's heard, parsed and understood in Europe. And yet the British Tory establishment treat us as fools and continue their foolish games, seemingly oblivious to the fact that we're all watching them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭maebee



    As Lamberts said, There's no negotiations, never mind "intense negotiations"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    Lords finished up, govt caved in and stopped the filibustering. bill back to commons now where they'll probably remove that lexit ammendment and pass the bill


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭Rain Ascending


    It seems that the filibuster in the House of Lords has failed and the Benn Bill will pass Friday afternoon, before going back to the House of Commons:

    https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1169405594496831488

    Unless a back-room deal has been done -- and there's no hint of that from Stephen Bush's twitter feed -- Johnson has lost one of his few points of leverage to get an early general election. If the opposition stay united, they now control the timing of the inevitable election that is coming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭Rain Ascending


    Lords finished up, govt caved in and stopped the filibustering. bill back to commons now where they'll probably remove that lexit ammendment and pass the bill

    I'm not an expert in this space, but my understanding is that if the House of Commons remove the amendment then it has to go back to the House of Lords again for approval. And of course, there is no time for that before Johnson prorogues. So that amendment from Kinnock et al. will stand. The opposition parties can live with it, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,689 ✭✭✭Infini


    Unless a back-room deal has been done -- and there's no hint of that from Stephen Bush's twitter feed -- Johnson has lost one of his few points of leverage to get an early general election. If the opposition stay united, they now control the timing of the inevitable election that is coming.

    Or the crap that Boris and Mogg's along with Cummings along with the sword over their heads that they'd be blamed for a crash out if Boris gets his way probably meant it wasn't worth fighting it expecially since they have no majority in the Lords to oppose it anyways.

    They know the way the wind is blowing with this and Boris is politically and morally bankrupt there's no point in being dragged down with the sinking ship for the sake of vainglory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭fash


    Infini wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1168949410832797697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1168949410832797697&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fczji4b%3Fresponsive%3Dtrue%26is_nightmode%3Dtrue

    Posted on reddit.com/r/brexit

    Pretty much sums ups Boris's attitude, he's only interested in smashing the place with no interest in the collateral damage or lives it could cost.
    I only saw clips of Boris speaking yesterday but he was brexit sound-biting like crazy- reveling in brextremist terminology: "surrender bill", "will of the people" etc. "brexitier than thou" .
    There clearly is no way back from that for him. I get the Impression that there is a coordinated push from Europe to let the UK opposition know the reality that there is no negotiation - to strengthen the resolve to defeat him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elfy4eva


    Yea it's quite rich that he has regularly made a point of calling the EU "Our european friends" And now is using buzz terms like "the surrender bill" as though they're an enemy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,006 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    I don't know if I am imagining it but it seems like Labour is trying to make a point that Johnson is not to be trusted with anything he says. Just like the buzzwords from no.10 that will be how Labour will approach the election. Just keep hammering that Johnson cannot be trusted to keep his word and there is ample amount of evidence out there to reinforce their point.

    As for Labour and why we are seeing different dates for an election, seems they are still to reach consensus and that is why you have some mixed messages.

    https://twitter.com/tamcohen/status/1169493636926644224?s=20

    https://twitter.com/tamcohen/status/1169494636223770624?s=20

    So there still needs to be a firm plan on the next election and when to call it from Labour and they will talk to the other parties as well. At least there is one bright spot that the opposition parties are talking now, so if there is a pact then at least the communication lines are open already and making a plan to at least stop Johnson from getting a majority should be possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    This is a very sobering piece from Peter Obourne about the border, it’s about 3 years too late though.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,518 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    In other news, it looks like Philip Hammond has been reselected:

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    Interesting given that the constituency voted Remain by the smallest possible margin. This is something I would expect of a more pro-EU constituency but it's good news nonetheless.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,744 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    In other news, it looks like Philip Hammond has been reselected . . .

    Interesting given that the constituency voted Remain by the smallest possible margin. This is something I would expect of a more pro-EU constituency but it's good news nonetheless.
    Also interesting to see if Conservative Central Office attempts to veto or override this.


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