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  • #5582
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    It is really funny that the Tories are telling everyone that the one thing that the country needs, that people really want is an end to the government. I mean they are basically saying that they are incapable of running the country, on the basis that hopefully the people really want them in power to run the country!

    On a separate issue, why do MP's allow other MP's to continue this line that Johnson needs to be able to threaten No Deal on the EU as this will force them to give in to avoid the chaos it will bring yet at the same time continually claim that No Deal will have little negative impact on the UK. It makes no sense.


  • #5583
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    In a nutshell

    If sneaky tricks continue to be used then a GE won't deliver a new government until it's too late to stop a Hard Brexit.


  • #5584
    Elsa Stocky Pocketful
    Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Elsa Stocky Pocketful


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Does John Bercow sound utterly feed up calling the name of Caroline Lucas ? It certainly wasn't with the normal energy.

    I thought he had been subbed out. Certainly didn't call on her with the same vigour.


  • #5585
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,160 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Does John Bercow sound utterly feed up calling the name of Caroline Lucas ? It certainly wasn't with the normal energy.

    He's been no more than rudimentary for the last hour.


  • #5586
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,293 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They said a lot of this stuff last night.


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  • #5587
    Elsa Stocky Pocketful
    Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Elsa Stocky Pocketful


    And golly gosh, Corbyn has torn Boris assunder. Decimated him.


  • #5588
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,335 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    What's funny about this is that if the Tories had not decided to prorogue parliament none of this would be happening now!


    Surely that's a capital offence for Cummings who should get the boot?


  • #5589
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,894 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    BBC News confirm two-thirds majority required, so the Opposition can go AWOL.

    Is there a trap here though.
    If it 'wins' but without 2/3rds majority I wonder do they have a plan to take that to Buckingham Palace with something archaic that overrides the FTPA.


  • #5590
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Sorry, but Ken Clarke has been beaten in the zinger stakes by Jess.
    "I'm meant to believe that the PM is really doing this because he has a vision for the people in the this country? HE has a vision that comes to him every night and it is his own face"


  • #5591
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Tell me how wrote: »
    That is the crux of why this is so so fascinating.

    The Brexiteers talk so much about undemocratic EU and yet are ok with Cummings dictating national policy and parliament being prorogued. They talk about honour and respect and then JRM behaves as he did on the front bench yesterday during the debate.

    It's incredibly interesting.

    “The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.”

    ― Ralph Waldo Emerson


    On one hand there is the thing about loudspeakers being low on the benches. But he could have squatted.

    But lording it over a 93 year old to prorogue parliament. Has also defied the whip frequently. Scumbag in a suit.


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  • #5592
    sjb25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭sjb25


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Sorry, but Ken Clarke has been beaten in the zinger stakes by Jess.

    Zing


  • #5593
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Thinking back to my history lessons... If the house of Lords blocks it what happens?


  • #5594
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,457 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Once parliament is prorogued, all bills die. If the old guard Tories can talk it out, it dies.


  • #5595
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Although the SNP MP (didn't catch his name) also had a great line.
    "If Ruth Davidson cannot stomach the PM, why should Scotland"

    That made me laugh


  • #5596
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    Thinking back to my history lessons... If the house of Lords blocks it what happens?

    Most likely leads to a vote in the commons that takes that power away from the lords.


  • #5597
    RickBlaine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    I like Jess Philips a lot. It is always good to see raw passion and genuine concern for her constituents in the HoC. And she completely obliterated Johnson in that speech.

    But the whole "I don't understand parliamentary procedure" bit was a bit annoying. She's been an MP for over 4 years, and while I wouldn't expect her to have the same parliamentary knowledge as Bercow, she is working in the HoC, and everyone no matter where they work would be expected to know the rules of their workplace, especially after being there for four years.


  • #5598
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Once parliament is prorogued, all bills die. If the old guard Tories can talk it out, it dies.

    There is talk of the House of Lords sitting 24/7 until it passes.


  • #5599
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Doubt the house of Lords will block it when it comes to votes etc.

    However the clear tactic being used with all the amendments is for the Tory lords to fillibuster it for as long as possible in the hope that either they run out of time to schedule a vote, or to buy time for Boris to go all out to manufacture an election whilst the fillibusting is going on.

    Boris needs to get an election voted through before the bill becomes law or the time runs out essentially, so anything that delays the bill becoming law gives Boris more time to engineer an election.


  • #5600
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,299 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Tell me how wrote: »
    He's been no more than rudimentary for the last hour.

    Well maybe he's conserving his energy or maybe it hard to keep going when as part of your job is to listen to people saying the same things over and over again.


  • #5601
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,984 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    RickBlaine wrote: »
    I like Jess Philips a lot. It is always good to see raw passion and genuine concern for her constituents in the HoC. And she completely obliterated Johnson in that speech.

    But the whole "I don't understand parliamentary procedure" bit was a bit annoying. She's been an MP for over 4 years, and while I wouldn't expect her to have the same parliamentary knowledge as Bercow, she is working in the HoC, and everyone no matter where they work would be expected to know the rules of their workplace, especially after being there for four years.

    its a very archaic system with everyone needing legal advice about anything going on


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  • #5602
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    JeffKenna wrote: »
    Thinking back to my history lessons... If the house of Lords blocks it what happens?

    Most likely leads to a vote in the commons that takes that power away from the lords.
    For home rule it was the house of Lords only had 3 turns to reject it and then it passed automatically. What's the situation now do you know?


  • #5603
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,299 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    Most likely leads to a vote in the commons that takes that power away from the lords.

    The commons took the power away from the Lords in the 1910's and the Lords can only delay any bill three times(I think it is) and then have to pass it.


  • #5604
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,299 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    For home rule it was the house of Lords only had 3 turns to reject it and then it passed automatically. What's the situation now do you know?

    It's still the same.


  • #5605
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 30,002 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    beggars_bush wrote: »
    its a very archaic system with everyone needing legal advice about anything going on

    It is archaic and to be honest frequently stupid. It is the equivalent of idiotic rules like not wearing brown shoes in the City which simply give the opportunity for those who were schooled in these things to mock those who weren't.


  • #5606
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    The commons took the power away from the Lords in the 1910's and the Lords can only delay any bill three times(I think it is) and then have to pass it.

    Won't be enough time for that.


  • #5607
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,335 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Once parliament is prorogued, all bills die. If the old guard Tories can talk it out, it dies.

    92 amendments to the delay bill.

    And they describe the backstop as "undemocratic".


  • #5608
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,299 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    devnull wrote: »
    Won't be enough time for that.

    Well given the time before Proroguing of parliament it won't get three cracks at it. But as far as I know that is the procedure in normal times but the UK parliamentary system is not in normal times.


  • #5609
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,268 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    House of Lords will adopt a guillotine if necessary, for its first time ever.

    As Lord Archer said, how could they unelected block a Bill from those elected.


  • #5610
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,299 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    There is talk of the House of Lords sitting 24/7 until it passes.

    When are they starting ? Some of the peers aren't in the summer of their lives.


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  • #5611
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,527 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Bambi wrote: »
    Jess Phillips is some clueless gawm. Product of Labours gender quotas no doubt.

    No insults please.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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