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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,338 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    This guy should be PM


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,083 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    If this bill does pass what is the likelihood an extension is granted by the EU?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    VinLieger wrote:
    If this bill does pass what is the likelihood an extension is granted by the EU?

    The UK would have to ask for one and Bojo says he won't so it would need a few other things to happen as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,752 ✭✭✭Bigus


    VinLieger wrote: »
    If this bill does pass what is the likelihood an extension is granted by the EU?

    The E.U. will grant an extension under these genuine circumstances, it’s not personal like a divorce.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,160 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This is in keeping with the clueless amateurishness of the whole Brexit debacle to this point.

    https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1169192794289856512

    If you are a political journalist live from outside Westminster, there are some things you really should know.
    He saw the opening, and nailed it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    VinLieger wrote: »
    If this bill does pass what is the likelihood an extension is granted by the EU?

    Boris has to ask for one and there needs to be a good reason. A new parliament with Brexiteers in the minority might be one scenario. Some real alternatives is another but that's probably a complete no-hoper.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 459 ✭✭Dytalus


    This is in keeping with the clueless amateurishness of the whole Brexit debacle to this point.

    https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1169192794289856512

    If you are a political journalist live from outside Westminster, there are some things you really should know.
    He saw the opening, and nailed it.

    Well, that must have been embarrassing. But it's not the first time over the course of the Brexit debacle that journalists (and politicians for that matter) covering it in the UK have fallen for soundbites and 'alternative facts' simply because some high profile members of parliament repeat them ad nauseum. The "Sinn Féin take their pay but not their seats" talking point has been around for years, and yet is painfully easy to disprove.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Another Superb report from Peter Foster

    https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1169255491211595777

    Rising to Tony Connelly levels of excellence here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    The EU need to wait until after any election before looking at an extension. No point unless one side or the other come back with a strong majority.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    Can Johnson simply ignore the request for an extension?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    This is in keeping with the clueless amateurishness of the whole Brexit debacle to this point.

    https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1169192794289856512

    If you are a political journalist live from outside Westminster, there are some things you really should know.
    He saw the opening, and nailed it.
    That kind of shows you how clueless the UK media in general is when it comes to politics in northern ireland.


    There shock when they had to do some digging into the DUP and their policies etc....lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Bigus wrote: »
    The E.U. will grant an extension under these genuine circumstances, it’s not personal like a divorce.

    Issue as i see it is, though, that even assuming the EU grants an extension, what would likely change in that period if Boris Johnson remained as PM? Isn't getting Johnson out of Downing St a necessary part of that strategy? But that in turn entails getting Corbyn into Downing St so therein lies the crux.... Saw the headline on Danny Finkelstein's piece in the Times this morning: it's either No Deal or Jeremy Corbyn. That seems a fair summation from what i can see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭trellheim


    I suspect that if the Bill passes then some delaying tactic to Royal Assent is next. But it has to get through the House and the Lords tonight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,338 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Can Johnson simply ignore the request for an extension?

    If the bill gets passed tonight (it will) and he fails to secure a deal by 2 days after the next euro summit (oct 19th) he is compelled to ask for an extension until january 2020, as far as I understand it. Once the bill passes no deal brexit is no longer an option unless the EU refuse the extension. In which case the UK would crash out on oct 31st.

    Johnson has no choice but to obey the instructions of parliament.

    It's a well constructed bill and gives Johnson a chance to get the deal he claims he wants and claims he has been working towards, if you believe his lies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Can Johnson simply ignore the request for an extension?
    Yes. If he gets the numbers on the 15th October he'll repeal what they're doing today and most likely go for No Deal. If he doesn't others will.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch




  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    Does any politician or anyone listen to those protesters shouting loudly in the background of every TV interview?

    Seems like an awful lot of wasted energy for zero gain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,338 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    MadYaker wrote: »
    If the bill gets passed tonight (it will) and he fails to secure a deal by 2 days after the next euro summit (oct 19th) he is compelled to ask for an extension until january 2020, as far as I understand it. Once the bill passes no deal brexit is no longer an option unless the EU refuse the extension. In which case the UK would crash out on oct 31st.

    Johnson has no choice but to obey the instructions of parliament.

    It's a well constructed bill and gives Johnson a chance to get the bill he claims he wants and claims he has been working towards, if you believe his lies.

    To add to this. Corbyn has said he won't agree to an election unless a no deal exit is off the table.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MadYaker wrote: »
    To add to this. Corbyn has said he won't agree to an election unless a no deal exit is off the table.
    Boris will have no problem agreeing to that as he really wants an election. The campaign will be all about leaving and if he gets numbers "the people have spoken" will trump this promise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,318 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Looks like there is a move among Conservative Lords to bog down the forthcoming Brexit extension bill with an absolute rake of amendments (approx. 90) so that it can't make it back to the Commons before the prorogation.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,300 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Yes. If he gets the numbers on the 15th October he'll repeal what they're doing today and most likely go for No Deal. If he doesn't others will.

    Where is he going to get the numbers from precisely?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    L1011 wrote: »
    Where is he going to get the numbers from precisely?
    Well he imagines he will in the election. I wouldn't even bet a euro on the outcome and I reckon the expulsions will come back and bite him.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    briany wrote: »
    Looks like there is a move among Conservative Lords to bog down the forthcoming Brexit extension bill with an absolute rake of amendments (approx. 90) so that it can't make it back to the Commons before the prorogation.

    They were turning up with sleeping bags and changes of clothes this morning prepared to hang around as long as required. There apparently isn't as many rules regarding how many amendments can be brought in the Lords and every thing has to be voted on. Seemed like there also wasn't any rules about when they stop so is just a case of who is prepared to hang around longest into the night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    briany wrote: »
    Looks like there is a move among Conservative Lords to bog down the forthcoming Brexit extension bill with an absolute rake of amendments (approx. 90) so that it can't make it back to the Commons before the prorogation.
    It will, Smith of Labour has tabled a motion for today to head that kind of thing off, but it may delay it a bit.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/04/tory-peers-accused-wrecking-tactics-bill-delay-brexit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,300 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well he imagines he will in the election. I wouldn't even bet a euro on the outcome and I reckon the expulsions will come back and bite him.

    He has to get an election called first. He has no ability to do so on his own.

    Even if this bill passes and Labour/SNP acede to an election it'll start to run out of time to hold it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,530 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    trellheim wrote: »
    Another Superb report from Peter Foster

    https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1169255491211595777

    Rising to Tony Connelly levels of excellence here.

    How he's still working for the Telegraph js one of life's greatest mysteries. His abilities and competencies are way beyond that rag of a paper.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    L1011 wrote: »
    He has to get an election called first. He has no ability to do so.
    Labour want one once they get the bill sorted so I think it will happen and they'll support his motion. The HoC would wrap up next week anyway through prorogation. The date for an election has been heavily leaked already - Oct 15th


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    So the extension until January Bill gets passed. Johnson requests an extension from the EU after failing to agree a new deal. Labour and Conservatives agree to an election. Johnson comes back with a clear majority.

    And the cycle begins again with Johnson threatening No Deal in January.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It will, Smith of Labour has tabled a motion for today to head that kind of thing off, but it may delay it a bit.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/04/tory-peers-accused-wrecking-tactics-bill-delay-brexit

    Except the motion to ensure that the new bill is passed before Monday is now the one that the Tory Lords are putting their daft amendments to. They are trying to cause the delay on the vote that is to prevent them causing the delay.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    How he's still working for the Telegraph js one of life's greatest mysteries. His abilities and competencies are way beyond that rag of a paper.
    In its defence it's never been a rag and it has always had some very good journalism, just very dubious positions on some things to many people.


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