Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

thesaturdayman · 03-09-2019 12:11PM

Lingoweet913 wrote: »

thesaturdayman wrote: »

5 year term. Can seek to go again, not sure if it's contested or not in that case.

Not the case I believe. His contract was made permanent some court case challenging contracted employees.

could be totally wrong but that’s what I was told.

thesaturdayman · 03-09-2019 01:12PM

CCC have upheld the ban on Sam Fitzgerald and Reece Power.

They should be ashamed of themselves.

I believe the referee offered to take the ban for the players also.

Deisegodeo · 03-09-2019 01:30PM

News and star reporting that Peter queally has been nominated for senior managers job.

Anyone know who else has been nominated?

Obi1mikal · 03-09-2019 01:51PM

thesaturdayman wrote: »

CCC have upheld the ban on Sam Fitzgerald and Reece Power.

They should be ashamed of themselves.

I believe the referee offered to take the ban for the players also.

Do you know if you get a yellow card in normal time and then receive one in extra time are you sent off?

thesaturdayman · 03-09-2019 02:24PM

Obi1mikal wrote: »

Do you know if you get a yellow card in normal time and then receive one in extra time are you sent off?

He was only person nominated by clubs seemingly.

Is the remit of the new committee to source the manager or merely interview who is nominated?

How pres tell would an external mgr apply if he didn’t have a link to county?

Expect the co secretary to ring them?

Obi1mikal · 03-09-2019 03:32PM

thesaturdayman wrote: »

He was only person nominated by clubs seemingly.

Is the remit of the new committee to source the manager or merely interview who is nominated?

How pres tell would an external mgr apply if he didn’t have a link to county?

Expect the co secretary to ring them?

Huh??? Didnt really answer my question there ha

PTH2009 · 03-09-2019 03:35PM

thesaturdayman wrote: »

He was only person nominated by clubs seemingly.

Is the remit of the new committee to source the manager or merely interview who is nominated?

How pres tell would an external mgr apply if he didn’t have a link to county?

Expect the co secretary to ring them?

If this is true than were in some state as a whole.

No interest outside the county???

Quelly could be good but needs a strong backroom team.

tommylad1212 · 03-09-2019 05:18PM

Obi1mikal wrote: »

Do you know if you get a yellow card in normal time and then receive one in extra time are you sent off?

Yes

cul beag · 03-09-2019 06:13PM

Deisegodeo wrote: »

News and star reporting that Peter queally has been nominated for senior managers job.

Anyone know who else has been nominated?

Nobody else remotely interested because of player power and lack of finances.

Obi1mikal · 03-09-2019 08:48PM

tommylad1212 wrote: »

Yes

Ok so how would the players be allowed back on.

The referee and club officials should of known that, nothing to do with the players obviously.

The ref and club officials should be banned

mountgomery burns · 03-09-2019 09:18PM

thesaturdayman wrote: »

CCC have upheld the ban on Sam Fitzgerald and Reece Power.

They should be ashamed of themselves.

I believe the referee offered to take the ban for the players also.

Shameful stuff, really disappointed to hear it. Was it the CHC of Croke Park that upheld it?

thesaturdayman · 03-09-2019 11:14PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Shameful stuff, really disappointed to hear it. Was it the CHC of Croke Park that upheld it?

No. The local Waterford CCC.

Same gombeens just a different name on them.

And re the ref, the ref vetted his decision by two board officers on the night, who also didn’t know the rules.

thesaturdayman · 03-09-2019 11:19PM

Obi1mikal wrote: »

Ok so how would the players be allowed back on.

The referee and club officials should of known that, nothing to do with the players obviously.

The ref and club officials should be banned

What are you on about man?

Two lads same and Reece went off on two yellows in normal time.

Game ended in a draw.

Both teams are allowed to go back up to 15 players, but not allowed to use same players.

Therein lies the issue that subsequently unfolded. Nothing to do with getting yellows in normal or extra time.

PTH2009 · 04-09-2019 02:50AM

Should have a New Jersey for 2020/21

Obi1mikal · 04-09-2019 06:28AM

thesaturdayman wrote: »

What are you on about man?

Two lads same and Reece went off on two yellows in normal time.

Game ended in a draw.

Both teams are allowed to go back up to 15 players, but not allowed to use same players.

Therein lies the issue that subsequently unfolded. Nothing to do with getting yellows in normal or extra time.

It has everything to do with getting yellows that is the whole point of the situation, I am trying to make the point that yellow cards carry into extra time so why would the double yellows that were received in normal time be wiped clean.

There is more to this then meets the eye, both clubs playing innocent I dont believe it for one minute that not one person from any of the clubs knew the rule.

Someone for the referee team, county board officials or club officials should of known what was happening.

Feel sorry for both players and their respective bans should be overturned as they dont have to know the rules they just followed orders but somebody needs to be banned for this that is why I said ref and club officials should be

thesaturdayman · 04-09-2019 08:26AM

Obi1mikal wrote: »

It has everything to do with getting yellows that is the whole point of the situation, I am trying to make the point that yellow cards carry into extra time so why would the double yellows that were received in normal time be wiped clean.

There is more to this then meets the eye, both clubs playing innocent I dont believe it for one minute that not one person from any of the clubs knew the rule.

Someone for the referee team, county board officials or club officials should of known what was happening.

Feel sorry for both players and their respective bans should be overturned as they dont have to know the rules they just followed orders but somebody needs to be banned for this that is why I said ref and club officials should be

The referee made his decision ultimately on advice he was given by 2 x county board officials.

That said I know for a fact he is fully accepting he was wrong and offered to take the bans on behalf of players. Mistakes happen it’s what you do to rectify them is what counts.

What the county board have done after - banning the lads & then upholding of the ban is absolute gombeenery and incompetence. The ppl that are upholding & pushing for ban are the same ppl advised the referee incorrectly.

Upholding the rules when it suits them.

HelloHello1234 · 04-09-2019 08:48AM

Obi1mikal wrote: »

It has everything to do with getting yellows that is the whole point of the situation, I am trying to make the point that yellow cards carry into extra time so why would the double yellows that were received in normal time be wiped clean.

There is more to this then meets the eye, both clubs playing innocent I dont believe it for one minute that not one person from any of the clubs knew the rule.

Someone for the referee team, county board officials or club officials should of known what was happening.

Feel sorry for both players and their respective bans should be overturned as they dont have to know the rules they just followed orders but somebody needs to be banned for this that is why I said ref and club officials should be

yellow cards dont carry into extra time

mountgomery burns · 04-09-2019 11:31AM

It took me 5 seconds to Google "GAA extra time red card" and returned the below:

"(a) Any fifteen players may start Extra Time (In Inter County the players must be from the Official Team List) except that a player ordered off in Normal Time (Black or Red) is not permitted to play in Extra Time. ... (e) A Caution (Yellow Card) issued during Normal Time shall not carry over into Extra Time."

No excuse for any officials present not to be able to check the same if unsure, besides the fact that they should know anyway. But it's outrageous that the players now suffer for this incompetence. And in fairness, if the ref offered to serve the ban in their place then fairplay to him he's owned up to it though I think that offer should be taken up if that's the case.

debok · 04-09-2019 01:56PM

thesaturdayman wrote: »

CCC have upheld the ban on Sam Fitzgerald and Reece Power.

They should be ashamed of themselves.

I believe the referee offered to take the ban for the players also.

Thought twas being decided in a meeting tonight

hardybuck · 04-09-2019 04:07PM

I'd be prepared to cut the referee some slack here. They've made a mistake and admitted it.

It's difficult enough to find people willing to referee, and the GAA rule book is way too complicated - teams going back to 15 men in injury time is just another example of unnecessary complications in the rules.

Stopitwillya · 04-09-2019 05:47PM

hardybuck wrote: »

I'd be prepared to cut the referee some slack here. They've made a mistake and admitted it.

It's difficult enough to find people willing to referee, and the GAA rule book is way too complicated - teams going back to 15 men in injury time is just another example of unnecessary complications in the rules.

Agree and fair dues to the ref for offering to take the ban.
Any chance some of our county board officials can be given a 24 week ban to stop them making more of a hames of things.

tonc76 · 04-09-2019 06:43PM

I heard earlier that the 24 week ban also means that Sam Fitzgerald is unable to line out for a county team and his school also which makes this even more of a farce.

PTH2009 · 04-09-2019 08:12PM

Colm Bonner staying with Carlow

Mastermcgrath · 05-09-2019 04:02AM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

It took me 5 seconds to Google "GAA extra time red card" and returned the below:

"(a) Any fifteen players may start Extra Time (In Inter County the players must be from the Official Team List) except that a player ordered off in Normal Time (Black or Red) is not permitted to play in Extra Time. ... (e) A Caution (Yellow Card) issued during Normal Time shall not carry over into Extra Time."

No excuse for any officials present not to be able to check the same if unsure, besides the fact that they should know anyway. But it's outrageous that the players now suffer for this incompetence. And in fairness, if the ref offered to serve the ban in their place then fairplay to him he's owned up to it though I think that offer should be taken up if that's the case.

The clubs are not entirely innocent either. I don't believe for a second that no one from either club involved could not have known this, you googled it in 5 seconds, no doubt plenty of people at the game done so aswell. You'd question what is the mindset of the club officials & selectors? Here it seems win at all costs and throw a ref under the bus instead of the spirit of the games. Well its backfired and they've let their own players down badly by sitting back and letting it happen.

thesaturdayman · 05-09-2019 08:20AM

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

The clubs are not entirely innocent either. I don't believe for a second that no one from either club involved could not have known this, you googled it in 5 seconds, no doubt plenty of people at the game done so aswell. You'd question what is the mindset of the club officials & selectors? Here it seems win at all costs and throw a ref under the bus instead of the spirit of the games. Well its backfired and they've let their own players down badly by sitting back and letting it happen.

Ah come on. Since when are the clubs responsible for implementing the rules!

It’s like a cop stopping you for being on the phone when driving and saying it’s a 90 euro fine & you telling actually it’s a 90 fine and 3 penalty points.

The ref is paid to do the game, should know the rules - In This instance , he didn’t know, so rightly he sought advice and was misinformed.

The county secretary is well paid & should know the rules

The treasurer is also well looked after and is a former county secretary also should know the rules.

Clubs don’t run fixtures / competitions administrators do.

In this instance & subsequent events that followed administrators made a total balls of it, again.

celt262 · 05-09-2019 08:24AM

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

The clubs are not entirely innocent either. I don't believe for a second that no one from either club involved could not have known this, you googled it in 5 seconds, no doubt plenty of people at the game done so aswell. You'd question what is the mindset of the club officials & selectors? Here it seems win at all costs and throw a ref under the bus instead of the spirit of the games. Well its backfired and they've let their own players down badly by sitting back and letting it happen.

It's not up to a referee to decide on the eligibility of a player anyway, it's up to the clubs to know the ruling. The secretary of the club should be getting suspension here also.

thesaturdayman · 05-09-2019 08:39AM

celt262 wrote: »

It's not up to a referee to decide on the eligibility of a player anyway, it's up to the clubs to know the ruling. The secretary of the club should be getting suspension here also.

Secretary of what club?

What rules did that person breach?

Or are you saying it because timmy o Keefe of clashmore is a former county secretary & in your opinion / that floated around by board stooges, knew the rule?

The same rule which changed since his time as secretary btw.

He is not responsible even if he did know to inform anyone.

In my experience as a player and a club secretary when your preparing for extra time in a do or die senior championship match advising officials on rules is not my top priority

Sounds like more deflectionist rubbish from board sources to me.

Obi1mikal · 05-09-2019 11:30AM

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Secretary of what club?

What rules did that person breach?

Or are you saying it because timmy o Keefe of clashmore is a former county secretary & in your opinion / that floated around by board stooges, knew the rule?

The same rule which changed since his time as secretary btw.

He is not responsible even if he did know to inform anyone.

In my experience as a player and a club secretary when your preparing for extra time in a do or die senior championship match advising officials on rules is not my top priority

Sounds like more deflectionist rubbish from board sources to me.

I am totally on your side in regards to the current county board, but if you think this whole mishap is the solely down to them then you are deluded.

People on the line from both clubs knew the rules, there are some very good gaa people on the line for both clubs and they asked the referee for clarification, which in turn he asked the county board members for clarification, all of whom did not not the rules. These people in the clubs knew they were chancing their arm in what they were doing.

But as i said in an earlier post both bans should be lifted from the players as they were just pawns in this and that the bans should be put on club officials and referee (who infainress to him has owned up to his mistake and is willing to take the ban).

thesaturdayman · 05-09-2019 11:34AM

Obi1mikal wrote: »

I am totally on your side in regards to the current county board, but if you think this whole mishap is the solely down to them then you are deluded.

People on the line from both clubs knew the rules, there are some very good gaa people on the line for both clubs and they asked the referee for clarification, which in turn he asked the county board members for clarification, all of whom did not not the rules. These people in the clubs knew they were chancing their arm in what they were doing.

But as i said in an earlier post both bans should be lifted from the players as they were just pawns in this and that the bans should be put on club officials and referee (who infainress to him has owned up to his mistake and is willing to take the ban).

How you can prove someone is chancing their arm or not is irrelevant? Total red herring.

The onus is on firstly the referee and secondly the safety net should be county board officials to implement the rules. Both failed here so why now are clubs getting blamed.

The clubs don’t run competitions or referee games officials do.

celt262 · 05-09-2019 11:58AM

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Secretary of what club? Secretary of club involved in playing eligible player - They take on a role they should know the rules

What rules did that person breach? What Person ?

Or are you saying it because timmy o Keefe of clashmore is a former county secretary & in your opinion / that floated around by board stooges, knew the rule? I don't know anyone involved

The same rule which changed since his time as secretary btw. When did it change?

He is not responsible even if he did know to inform anyone.

In my experience as a player and a club secretary when your preparing for extra time in a do or die senior championship match advising officials on rules is not my top priority Who do you think should be advising on rules then?

Sounds like more deflectionist rubbish from board sources to me. I dont know anyone involved

See my comments

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