Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

cryptocurrency · 03-09-2019 11:44PM

Shelga wrote: »

Will the EU grant an extension just because Parliament ask for one, if it is not specifically tied to a GE?

Of course the EU will. The UK leaving is their worst nightmare. All this talk of transition and irish solidarity is a shame. It's all about "the level playing field" which they know without the UK will make utter mince meat of them on global trade.

prawnsambo · 03-09-2019 11:45PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Can you explain. I haven't a clue about gambling on anything.

Well it's an expression of a chance of something. 10/1 is ten to one odds. One chance in ten of it happening. 11/5 is five chances in eleven or close enough to 1 chance in 2.

Imreoir2 · 03-09-2019 11:46PM

Shelga wrote: »

Will the EU grant an extension just because Parliament ask for one, if it is not specifically tied to a GE?

Most likely, there is little enough reason to force the UKs hand while they are already in a state of near collapse. It would do nothing for the EU to create a credible perception, in the UK but also in member states and in the wider world, that no-deal is the EUs fault. Let the crisis in the UK come to a head by itself, the EU will hold the whip whenever the UK gets its act together enough to come to a decision.

Infini · 03-09-2019 11:46PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

A great day for Boris Johnson. He started the day with a majority of 1 and finished with a minority of 43. He managed to do this all by himself by painting red lines around a vote. They never learn.

Human Stupidity is the cancer of this existence after all.

Let's face it they kicked out people who voted on principal and because they have legitimate concerns including longstanding members. We also saw another MP defect to the Liberal Dem's ironically BECAUSE of Moggles little tantrum on LBC. I'd be honest though, how many of the remaining conservative MP's are there who actually are willing to continue to support this failure of a goverment because Boris and those who voted him in are little more than Pseudo-UKIP who hijacked the party at this point. It would be hillarious if kicking out those MP's leads to even more MP's reducing Boris's party to not even 150 MP's.

cryptocurrency · 03-09-2019 11:47PM

gmisk wrote: »

Ah good to hear.
But he still broke the whip didn't he so out of conservative party? Lib Dems might be a good fit...

He always was one. The Tories are moving to their natural position as more a dynamic free market party.

Panrich · 03-09-2019 11:47PM

Water John wrote: »

Cummings and his ilk are seeing the Tories being up in the polls areund 35% and also view the 12% Brexit voters as theirs to take, giving them 47%.

However they loose 11/12 in Scotland alone, some more in SW England to the Lib Dems.

I think this tactical disaster will affect how Johnson is perceived and will damage him electorally. The opposition and even his own erstwhile colleagues are pushing the untrustworthy line very strongly.

His missteps show rank bad judgement and a ‘strong’ leadership style is tenable while you’re winning but looks like petulance when you’re firing the likes of Kenneth Clarke in a fit of pique.

Spanish Eyes · 03-09-2019 11:48PM

gmisk wrote: »

Ah good to hear.
But he still broke the whip didn't he so out of conservative party? Lib Dems might be a good fit...

Does that mean another loss to the Tory majority now or what. Hard to keep up with all this now.

Imreoir2 · 03-09-2019 11:49PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

He always was one. The Tories are moving to their natural position as more a dynamic free market party.

Free market party? By choosing to leave every free trade agreement they are part of and erect WTO tarrifs with the vast majority of the world including its most important trade partners?

Are you feeling well?

BorneTobyWilde · 03-09-2019 11:50PM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Wish someone videoed this :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/pms-guru-dominic-cummings-goads-19400954.amp

"The oddball strategist had previously been seen conspicuously prowling the corridors of the Commons press gallery, clutching a glass of red wine."

They're losing it

He's like a drunk homeless man who just wandered in off the street.

Imreoir2 · 03-09-2019 11:51PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Does that mean another loss to the Tory majority now or what. Hard to keep up with all this now.

The opposition has a majority of 43 tonight.

03-09-2019 11:51PM

Teresa May leaving Parliament tonight.

I'd say she's loving this.

Popeleo · 03-09-2019 11:51PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Does that mean another loss to the Tory majority now or what. Hard to keep up with all this now.

He is still one of the 21 rebels, so he will lose the whip anyway.

But good to hear that he hasn't quit politics. Not too many younger tories that seem to have a conscience.

cryptocurrency · 03-09-2019 11:53PM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Free market party? By choosing to leave every free trade agreement they are part of and erect WTO tarrifs with the vast majority of the world including its most important trade partners?

Are you feeling well?

People oversell that but in reality the EU goes on about its size but is largely pretty inefficient and unsuccessful in modern global terms. UK is easy its most dynamic member and its leaving.

I found Mike Pence comments tonight interesting as despite all the fawning over him he still urged the EU to negotiate honestly with the UK. Washington has a view on the withdrawal agreement and its not positive.

Water John · 03-09-2019 11:54PM

Someone here doesn't understand what being a 'conservative' means.

FrKurtFahrt · 03-09-2019 11:55PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

He's like a drunk homeless man who just wandered in off the street.

Yes, but who are the two on the right?

cryptocurrency · 03-09-2019 11:55PM

Water John wrote: »

Someone here doesn't understand what being a 'conservative' means.

Most conservatives now idolise Thatcher, Adam Smith, Milton Friedman and the like.

Rory Stewart was always more of a Major/Blairite type

Infini · 03-09-2019 11:56PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

He's like a drunk homeless man who just wandered in off the street.

Meanwhile that Image of Moggles a few pages back has gone viral and they're really tearing into him for being so strung up

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That stuck up attitude he has towards peoples concerns is really coming back to bite him now.

maebee · 03-09-2019 11:59PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Of course the EU will. The UK leaving is their worst nightmare.

Watch tonight's TV. The UK government is a nightmare.

cryptocurrency · 03-09-2019 11:59PM

Can't see how attacking Boris, Cummings and Mogg with memes is going to change anything. It's happening.

Lucy8080 · 03-09-2019 11:59PM

The Tories are back in the game in regards to the next G.E. They have a single issue ticket to bring to all those Brexit voters. Boris " I want a good deal but will settle for no deal if the E.U. try to dictate to old Blighty" Vs. the opposition.

A few months ago the Tories were dead in the polls. They are rolling the dice,and I can't see Farrage standing in their way when the alternative is Corbyn and the Lib Dems.

It's the U.k.s version "make america great again". No in depth detail needed for the brexit believers . Boris is now there only man.

joe40 · 04-09-2019 12:00AM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

That is not the truth. Our Government favoured the Lisbon treaty, after the first referendum they made a political calculation that if some of the issues raised in the referendum campain were addressed, such as Tax, EU army etc, then they could swing the result in a re-run. History proved them to be correct.

The people expressed concerns, those concerns were addressed, the people gave their consent. What exactly is the problem with that?

The British government ratified the same treaty without asking the people at all. We had a referendum, which failed, but got improvements so passed second time.
Much more democratic than no vote in the first place so he can f*** right off

bilston · 04-09-2019 12:01AM

sabat wrote: »

Read his website https://dominiccummings.com/ - the man is cuckoo bananas. In that lengthy most recent entry he says that there is an "urgent" need to establish a base on the moon. The bulk of his musings, hidden amongst reams of rambling management jargon, are about pre-selecting the most intelligent people and training them to run the world. Basically his main influence seems to be Hugo Drax from Moonraker...

I actually agree with him on establishing a base on the Moon.

It's about time humanity didn't have all its eggs in one basket. The Basket is heating up and the eggs will soon be starting to boil.

Although the rest of the stuff is a bit odd.

Infini · 04-09-2019 12:02AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Can't see how attacking Boris, Cummings and Mogg with memes is going to change anything. It's happening.

It aint over till the fat lady sing's. And we havent past the point of no return yet.

bobmalooka · 04-09-2019 12:04AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Can't see how attacking Boris, Cummings and Mogg with memes is going to change anything. It's happening.

Ah yes, the ever elusive ‘it’.

The German car manufacturers will have a word with the rebel Tory’s tomorrow and make them change their minds

skimpydoo · 04-09-2019 12:05AM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

The opposition has a majority of 43 tonight.

Why is it 43?

declanflynn · 04-09-2019 12:05AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Wish someone videoed this :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/pms-guru-dominic-cummings-goads-19400954.amp

"The oddball strategist had previously been seen conspicuously prowling the corridors of the Commons press gallery, clutching a glass of red wine."

They're losing it

He's like a drunk homeless man who just wandered in off the street.

None of the above inspire confidence

Imreoir2 · 04-09-2019 12:06AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Can't see how attacking Boris, Cummings and Mogg with memes is going to change anything. It's happening.

The only thing I can see happening is the slow collapse of the UK.

Infini · 04-09-2019 12:06AM

Lucy8080 wrote: »

The Tories are back in the game in regards to the next G.E. They have a single issue ticket to bring to all those Brexit voters. Boris " I want a good deal but will settle for no deal if the E.U. try to dictate to old Blighty" Vs. the opposition.

A few months ago the Tories were dead in the polls. They are rolling the dice,and I can't see Farrage standing in their way when the alternative is Corbyn and the Lib Dems.

It's the U.k.s version "make america great again". No in depth detail needed for the brexit believers . Boris is now there only man.

It's still not a guaranteed strategy though, the opposition and expecially those in Labour and the Lib Dem's will look to try and maximise the anti brexit vote as much as possible, they'll likely need to adopt a strategy similar to the by election in Wales by not running candidates that split the vote, their only chance at winning is to make sure both Lib Dem's and Labour outnumber the pseudo UKIP group at this point. Scotland is all but nearly guaranteed to be SNP country thanks to all this. Ultimately comes down to the numbers on the day.

mcmoustache · 04-09-2019 12:07AM

Water John wrote: »

Someone here doesn't understand what being a 'conservative' means.

To be fair, I'm not even sure what it means anymore. I used to think that I leaned conservative because I was in favour of things like open trade, low taxes and balancing the books and against things like paying more for goods due to excessive taxes and heaps of red tape just to sell in another country.

It turns out that I was just some beta-cuck libtard commie this whole time. It's a tough world.

Shelga · 04-09-2019 12:07AM

So the Tory (Cummings) plan is:

- have a GE before October 31st (most likely after parliament has forced through legislation stopping no deal)
-have a purge of current MPs and only run ultra hardline Brexiters in the election
- Enter a pact with the Brexit Party- Nigel Farage promises not to run alongside the Tories.
-Get a majority in the HoC and leave without a deal ASAP.

Sad thing is, I think this has a medium to strong chance of succeeding.

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