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Larbre34 · 03-09-2019 11:12PM

Pro Brexit Tory on Tonight Show claims to be a "moderate person" until Cooper calls Boris a serial liar then its "IRELAND DID WHAT IT WAS TOLD TO HAVE A SECOND REFERENDUM UNTIL IT GOT THE RIGHT ANSWER. WE RESPECT DEMOCRACY IN THIS COUNTRY, IRELAND SHOULD BE MORE SUPPORTIVE, OUR PEOPLE VOTED LEAVE AND THATS UPSETTING PEOPLE IN IRELAND"

Good job pal.

SharpshooterTom · 03-09-2019 11:12PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Perhaps, but I doubt Boris will be in charge then.

That is, if they can find someone to replace him.

Nah the Tory membership loves Boris, he can do no wrong in their eyes, its a cult complex very much in the mould of Trump.

McGiver · 03-09-2019 11:12PM

Infini wrote: »

gmisk wrote: »

Ok question why is Kate hoey still in labour? Is she not pretty much aligned with the DUP these days?

Think the real question is why havent Labour dumped her for being an obious troll and 5th Column, shes little more than a UKIP infiltrator.

Worse than that. Ukip DUP hybrid. Scary stuff, nasty.

gmisk · 03-09-2019 11:12PM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

I think the Tories would win the next election.

Id probably agree...but might need some of the brexit party for a majority again along with the DUP? In other words a hard brexit incoming.
Then again weren't they miles ahead on polling before last GE and just about got over the line?

if Labour had a unified message and a better leader they would walk it, just look how much the Lib Dems have picked up.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-09-2019 11:13PM

Ken Clarke no longer a Tory

https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1169002119451611142

is_that_so · 03-09-2019 11:13PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

They'll have the most seats more than likely, but they won't "Win".

Projections from a few days ago had them losing 5-7 seats from current levels

And if the current opposition work out pacts and other strategies the Tories could end up as the opposition.

Water John · 03-09-2019 11:13PM

21 are being contacted and told they have lost the Tory whip.

prawnsambo · 03-09-2019 11:13PM

I think the JRM phone in from the neurosurgeon who worked on project yellowhammer was posted here yesterday. Well guess what? Dr. Philip Lee who walked to the LibDem benches today heard it...

Snorlaxx · 03-09-2019 11:14PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Oh it’s kicking off on virgin media with a conservative MP. He’s not happy that Boris Johnson was called a serial liar.

He makes a good point though, the British public voted for Brexit so they will deliver it. Over here in Ireland when we didn't vote for Lisbon, we bowed before the EU and done another vote until we got the result the EU wanted. No words from Ivan/Matt on that truth.

gmisk · 03-09-2019 11:15PM

Limpy wrote: »

Why have a second referendum. In that case then run every referendum that was close in previous year's. Just like Lisbon treaty when the EU don't have it the way they want they cry foul.

Remoaners... perfectly fitting

I am not sure the EU were allowed to vote on brexit so they aren't crying foul...also the Lisbon treaty that was voted on a second time had changes.

BorneTobyWilde · 03-09-2019 11:15PM

If there was a new peoples vote I think they'd vote to leave with a ''No Deal Brexit'' , the stupid are well motivated and would outnumber the people with a bit of sense.
N.I would vote to Remain, as would Scotland and London, but the rest of the country would outnumber them, the uneducated, and the people on the dole their whole lives would win the day. Those idiots think it's a football match, Eng v EU and they're cheering for England.

Quin_Dub · 03-09-2019 11:15PM

gmisk wrote: »

Id probably agree...but might need some of the brexit party for a majority again along with the DUP? In other words a hard brexit incoming.
Then again weren't they miles ahead on polling before last GE and just about got over the line?

if Labour had a unified message and a better leader they would walk it, just look how much the Lib Dems have picked up.

The Brexit party will not win a single seat.

They'll cost the Tories a few, but because of FPTP they have next to no chance of taking a seat.

Shelga · 03-09-2019 11:16PM

Stupid question but I just want to be absolutely clear- does having the whip removed mean you’re essentially kicked out of the party?? So will these 21 MPs now sit as Independents?

To remove the whip from Ken Clarke- simply incredible what is happening tonight.

is_that_so · 03-09-2019 11:17PM

Snorlaxx wrote: »

He makes a good point though, the British public voted for Brexit so they will deliver it. Over here in Ireland when we didn't vote for Lisbon, we bowed before the EU and done another vote until we got the result the EU wanted. No words from Ivan/Matt on that truth.

That was because parties didn't bother their rear ends to explain what it was about and allowed Ganley to run riot with all manner of false claims.

FrancieBrady · 03-09-2019 11:17PM

Shelga wrote: »

Stupid question but I just want to be absolutely clear- does having the whip removed mean you’re essentially kicked out of the party?? So will these 21 MPs now sit as Independents?

To remove the whip from Ken Clarke- simply incredible what is happening tonight.

No...they go to the backbenches.
They face been 'deselected' to stand next time out as well.

Spanish Eyes · 03-09-2019 11:17PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

I think the JRM phone in from the neurosurgeon who worked on project yellowhammer was posted here yesterday. Well guess what? Dr. Philip Lee who walked to the LibDem benches today heard it...

The response from JRM on that was just as I expected. Prat. But there will be no sanction will there?

Meanwhile the medics have to cope.

You really do have to question this type of thing.

ZX7R · 03-09-2019 11:18PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No...they go to the backbenches.
They face been 'deselected' to stand next time out as well.

Will they still be able to vote tomorrow

Shelga · 03-09-2019 11:18PM

Actually this is useful in understanding this whip business:

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/whip-party-what-withdrawn-mean-boris-johnson-tory-mps-no-deal-brexit/

gmisk · 03-09-2019 11:18PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

The Brexit party will not win a single seat.

They'll cost the Tories a few, but because of FPTP they have next to no chance of taking a seat.

We will see I suppose probably pretty soon.

Imreoir2 · 03-09-2019 11:18PM

Snorlaxx wrote: »

He makes a good point though, the British public voted for Brexit so they will deliver it. Over here in Ireland when we didn't vote for Lisbon, we bowed before the EU and done another vote until we got the result the EU wanted. No words from Ivan/Matt on that truth.

That is not the truth. Our Government favoured the Lisbon treaty, after the first referendum they made a political calculation that if some of the issues raised in the referendum campain were addressed, such as Tax, EU army etc, then they could swing the result in a re-run. History proved them to be correct.

The people expressed concerns, those concerns were addressed, the people gave their consent. What exactly is the problem with that?

gmisk · 03-09-2019 11:19PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Will they still be able to vote tomorrow

Yes they are still MPs

Limpy · 03-09-2019 11:19PM

Snorlaxx wrote: »

He makes a good point though, the British public voted for Brexit so they will deliver it. Over here in Ireland when we didn't vote for Lisbon, we bowed before the EU and done another vote until we got the result the EU wanted. No words from Ivan/Matt on that truth.

It's amazing there was no Russian meddling in the first no vote. The crusty lefties love using that ones.

Enzokk · 03-09-2019 11:19PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ken Clarke no longer a Tory

https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1169002119451611142

Rees-Mogg rebelled against the Whip almost 100 times, someone like David Gauke did it once and one of them is in government and the other kicked out of the party. Welcome to the Tories 2019,

https://twitter.com/MonarchyUK/status/1168870905587609605?s=20

Snorlaxx wrote: »

He makes a good point though, the British public voted for Brexit so they will deliver it. Over here in Ireland when we didn't vote for Lisbon, we bowed before the EU and done another vote until we got the result the EU wanted. No words from Ivan/Matt on that truth.

Not this again. The EU listened to the views from Ireland and gave concessions and this subsequent deal with changes passed. If you are going to spread misinformation you have to at least pick a topic that doesn't even need investigation. F for execution, try better next time.

As for the Cummings incident, seems like the information from Tim Shipman is somewhat disputed.

https://twitter.com/CatSmithMP/status/1169009732117512192?s=20

prawnsambo · 03-09-2019 11:19PM

Shelga wrote: »

Stupid question but I just want to be absolutely clear- does having the whip removed mean you’re essentially kicked out of the party?? So will these 21 MPs now sit as Independents?

To remove the whip from Ken Clarke- simply incredible what is happening tonight.

Yep. They are independents. Some may well be deselected from their constituencies, but Philip Hammond was just re-selected. So there could be all kinds of Tories kicking about after the next election.

Podge_irl · 03-09-2019 11:20PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Will they still be able to vote tomorrow

Yes, voters elect people not parties. As of now they are not Conservative MPs however.

Shelga · 03-09-2019 11:20PM

So hasn't Johnson just reduced his majority by a further 21?? Not that I should be surprised by him cutting off his nose to spite his face :rolleyes:

devnull · 03-09-2019 11:20PM

Daily Express is very understated on Wednesday

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Lots of problems with that, that apparently handling control to MPs is giving it to the EU, and apparently voting is anti-democratic.

Quin_Dub · 03-09-2019 11:21PM

gmisk wrote: »

We will see I suppose probably pretty soon.

There isn't a single projection out there showing them taking a seat, not even Farage, the only one that anyone has ever heard of.

They are Ross Perot to Boris' George Bush snr.

A Dub in Glasgo · 03-09-2019 11:21PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No...they go to the backbenches.
They face been 'deselected' to stand next time out as well.

Not what they are saying

https://twitter.com/BBCVickiYoung/status/1169010482495311875

Limpy · 03-09-2019 11:22PM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

That is not the truth. Our Government favoured the Lisbon treaty, after the first referendum they made a political calculation that if some of the issues raised in the referendum campain were addressed, such as Tax, EU army etc, then they could swing the result in a re-run. History proved them to be correct.

The people expressed concerns, those concerns were addressed, the people gave their consent. What exactly is the problem with that?

Then Ireland joins pesco.

All lies.

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