Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

martingriff · 03-09-2019 08:05PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

One might say you ended up echoing his post:p

I am glad i had my drink down before reading that or I would have accidentally christened another keyboard:P within 2 weeks

Dyr · 03-09-2019 08:06PM

devnull wrote: »

JRM is turning on Bercow now and questioning his impartiality and trying now to get the rules changed and stating that they are not consistent and the motion should be amended.

Honestly the more I hear from JRM the more I hate the guy, it's just his voice and the manner of speaking and the fake portrayal of innocence.

He's has been shown up for what he is. It's all cosplay with him.

He presents himself as old school true blue arch conservative where everything is about values and the institutions above all else but was quite happy to ride roughshod over their constitution when it suited his book.

For Forks Sake · 03-09-2019 08:15PM

Thatdoesnt looksafe tome AHHHHH!! wrote: »

What Parnell did was for the greater good, so why did he raise it as an example? Some might say he is in the same league..

Mogg is a stupid persons idea of a clever person.
Nonsense and lies delivered with a plummy accent are still nonsense and lies.

Itssoeasy · 03-09-2019 08:17PM

I never thought I’d say it but I really like Kenneth Clarke.

theguzman · 03-09-2019 08:18PM

Sinn Fein should stand down their MP's in the event of an election and allow the SDLP to run for the 7 seats instead. It won't happen but it would allow the Nationalist voice to enter the HoC and veto whatever. However like I have always maintained is that I would like the hardest of Brexits and turn the screw on the North and force a United Ireland which I feel is now inevitable as a direct result of all this.

devnull · 03-09-2019 08:19PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I never thought I’d say it but I really like Kenneth Clarke.

I used to really detest the guy to be honest but on everything related to Brexit I have agreed with him and become a fan of him. Also my impression of John Major has improved during the whole Brexit debate.

Itssoeasy · 03-09-2019 08:20PM

North Korea getting on the record of the house.

L1011 · 03-09-2019 08:20PM

Thatdoesnt looksafe tome AHHHHH!! wrote: »

So what, if the SoS is having a good day and personally things it will pass he can just say go ahead? Or is there a set of guidelines on what he has to go by to show a majority?

Slightly ridiculously, yes.

“if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland”

From the legislation.

sjb25 · 03-09-2019 08:20PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I never thought I’d say it but I really like Kenneth Clarke.

Was just about to say the same

listen to him.for the night

Itssoeasy · 03-09-2019 08:22PM

devnull wrote: »

I used to really detest the guy to be honest but on everything related to Brexit I have agreed with him and become a fan of him. Also my impression of John Major has improved during the whole Brexit debate.

Just to be clear I’m not saying I do/would agree with many of his views, as you say on brexit he seems to talk unbelievable sense.

Stop moaning ffs · 03-09-2019 08:22PM

Clarke doing a class act send up of Mogg. Love it

And then They cut him off midflow

Thargor · 03-09-2019 08:22PM

FFS Ken Clarke basically calling Mogg a liar to his face and the whole prorogation a scam and Sky News cuts to a break...

Itssoeasy · 03-09-2019 08:23PM

Thargor wrote: »

FFS Ken Clarke basically calling Mogg a liar to his face and the whole prorogation a scam and Sky News cuts to a break...

Go to YouTube and type in House of Commons live and there are a few live feeds.

sdanseo · 03-09-2019 08:23PM

No ads here (and all on the UK tax payer's dime rather than paying Sky for what's free)

UK Parliament Website

https://parliamentlive.tv/Commons

dublinman1990 · 03-09-2019 08:24PM

Tory MP Henry Smith said on Twitter tonight that it was outrageous that No-Deal opponents from the UK opposition are going through with chances to block any attempt of No Deal Brexit in Parliament, after a record majority voted Leave 3 years ago, as a true denial of democracy.

https://twitter.com/HenrySmithUK/status/1168955279029014528

He also said that their plans would allow Brussels to decide on what is best for Brexit. Whether it occurs or not it seems from his perspective.

devnull · 03-09-2019 08:24PM

Thargor wrote: »

FFS Ken Clarke basically calling Mogg a liar to his face and the whole prorogation a scam and Sky News cuts to a break...

No breaks on the web feed dedicated to the debate (different from broadcast)
https://news.sky.com/story/live-mps-prepare-to-launch-efforts-to-block-no-deal-brexit-11801143

Thargor · 03-09-2019 08:25PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Go to YouTube and type in House of Commons live and there are a few live feeds.

I dont need to know whats going on I follow it all day long, its the Sky News viewership and all the people who might have it on with their dinner I was thinking of.

ath262 · 03-09-2019 08:26PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I never thought I’d say it but I really like Kenneth Clarke.

was just about to post something similar

". says it would be "quite horrendous" for Parliament to "allow itself to be sidelined". He congratulates the Leader of the House Jacob Rees-Mogg for "keeping a straight face" while he is making "incredible" arguments.."

prawnsambo · 03-09-2019 08:27PM

They haven't gone away you know.

It's all getting too much for Johnson. Nowhere to go and Dom Cummings looking more and more like a flop.

Spanish Eyes · 03-09-2019 08:27PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I never thought I’d say it but I really like Kenneth Clarke.

Why wouldn't you like someone who is honest and has tons of years of experience, and is still prepared to object to No Deal. There has to be some admiration of those who say it as it is, Tory or not.

Listen to his interview with James O'Brien on the "Full Disclosure" podcast. Just the same as J oB's interview with Rory Stewart on the same podcast series.

Doesn't matter if you like J O'B or not, I found these interviews very interesting and enlightening. Take it or leave it! Just saying.

Itssoeasy · 03-09-2019 08:27PM

Kenneth Clarke talking massive sense on the Irish backstop.

sjb25 · 03-09-2019 08:28PM

Mogg steaming at clarke can see it his face

Have to say Ken Clarke best speaker so far so much sense

dublinman1990 · 03-09-2019 08:29PM

Nigel Farage has now come out to say in the British media that if BJ goes back to the WA by forcing it through Parliament. The BP will be "fighting" for every seat against the Tories at the next GE.

Itssoeasy · 03-09-2019 08:31PM

Is JRM laying down on the front bench ? He’s not sitting up straight anyway.

MadYaker · 03-09-2019 08:31PM

A lot of question dodging and sh!te talking from Mogg. Still talking about WTO rules after the gov have lost it's majority. Mad stuff. Also, looks like some craic outside westminister!

Spanish Eyes · 03-09-2019 08:36PM

Well Kenneth Clarke is the Father of the House, he is not standing in the next election, so he can say what he likes, in fact I think he always did anyway.

The newer cohort are always looking behind their backs for the Knives and are probably not so brave. Their futures may be lanced by one bad word.

Some democracy alright. And honestly, the shouting and roaring that goes on in the Commons is just unreal. WTAF? Must be tradition, but Bercow must need honey and lemon drops to keep his voice audible amongst that rabble. Fair dues to him.

Rees Mogg is a caricature of himself. His mellifluous tones might just impress some, but to me he is just a stick insect with a mission to make millions on the back of Brexit. He is ERG after all, you know, that party within a party, that along with 10 DUP is more dictatorial about Brexit than we probably will ever know.

Forget about the people.

steddyeddy · 03-09-2019 08:39PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Johnson's performance at the dispatch box earlier in the Commons was dreadful. Like some randomer from off the street. Think the Tories looked shocked at how actually bad this guy is.

All of the Tories, including Phil Hammond and Ken Clarke had a go at him. It's unprecedented how bad BJ is. It was nice to see something united the whole house.

Joe_ Public · 03-09-2019 08:39PM

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Tory MP Henry Smith said on Twitter tonight that it was outrageous that No-Deal opponents from the UK opposition are going through with chances to block any attempt of No Deal Brexit in Parliament, after a record majority voted Leave 3 years ago, as a true denial of democracy.

https://twitter.com/HenrySmithUK/status/1168955279029014528

He also said that their plans would allow Brussels to decide on what is best for Brexit. Whether it occurs or not it seems from his perspective.

Sorry but that record majority vote line does tend to get on my wick a bit and i must have heard it mentioned at least 10 times over the past couple of days alone. When people say the biggest vote ever voted to leave the EU, it conveniently omits the equally relevant fact that the second biggest vote ever voted to remain in the EU. It was 52-48, a slim majority, not the unambiguous, huge mandate they seek to imply.

Headshot · 03-09-2019 08:41PM

Tony Connelly got a shout out on Sky news

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Go wan Tony, doing us proud

Leroy42 · 03-09-2019 08:41PM

JRM is fast finding out that there is a massive difference between hurling from the ditch and being at the front.

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