Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

prawnsambo · 03-09-2019 03:58PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Is his majority also counting the labour rebels like Hoey?

They're still Labour party members. Unless they actually join the Troy party. Or the DUP (Kate Hoey obvs.).

is_that_so · 03-09-2019 03:59PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Is his majority also counting the labour rebels like Hoey?

Actual majority who are part of or who support the government(DUP).

Shelga · 03-09-2019 03:59PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Is his majority also counting the labour rebels like Hoey?

I’m surprised she hasn’t crossed the floor to embrace the Tories yet, actually.

LeinsterDub · 03-09-2019 04:00PM

What in the name of god is Corbyn talking about? This speech should have been

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54and56 · 03-09-2019 04:00PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

I think it's zero unless I missed another defection?

No, a defection of 1 has a double effect as it reduces the govt by 1 AND increases the opposition by 1.

EG. Govt has 50, Opposition 49.

54and56 defects from the Govt to the Opposition.

New numbers are:-

Govt 49, Opposition 50.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-09-2019 04:01PM

Can someone clarify something?

Bercow said there is no vote tonight but a motion...

So that means the crucial vote is not tonight?

farmchoice · 03-09-2019 04:01PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Can someone clarify something?

Bercow said there is no vote tonight but a motion...

So that means the crucial vote is not tonight?

motion to take control of parliment tonight
take control tomorrow, put forward bill, vote on bill

is_that_so · 03-09-2019 04:03PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Can someone clarify something?

Bercow said there is no vote tonight but a motion...

So that means the crucial vote is not tonight?

It was never tonight just the mechanism for it to be debated and voted on , probably tomorrow.

JeffKenna · 03-09-2019 04:03PM

54and56 wrote: »

No, a defection of 1 has a double effect as it reduces the govt by 1 AND increases the opposition by 1.

EG. Govt has 50, Opposition 49.

54and56 defects from the Govt to the Opposition.

New numbers are:-

Govt 49, Opposition 50.

But if 54 and 56 defects to the opposition is that not 2 defectors?

Govt has 50, Opposition 49 - Original position

Govt now 48, Opposition 51 - New position

Infini · 03-09-2019 04:04PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1168896364648062976

The government's majority becomes - 1. Looks like GE time!

Not necessarily if they're smart they can simply have the government removed via a VONC then nominate a neutral MP to lead temporarily. Thry got 14 days once that happens to decide a replacement. All they need to do is basically say to Jeremy: You need to let someone else take up being a caretaker PM long enough to remove the Brexit Gun poined at everyone as you wont win a majority big enough to be PM while its there.

Dyr · 03-09-2019 04:05PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

What in the name of god is Corbyn talking about? This speech should have been
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He can't resist, he's like the oul lad at the tenants association meeting who always to shoehorn his hobby horses into everything

lennymc · 03-09-2019 04:06PM

JeffKenna wrote: »

But if 54 and 56 defects to the opposition is that not 2 defectors?

Govt has 50, Opposition 49 - Original position

Govt now 48, Opposition 51 - New position

i thought that too, but then realised 54and56 is the one person - see OP's username

Stop moaning ffs · 03-09-2019 04:08PM

Bambi wrote: »

He can't resist, he's like the oul lad at the tenants association meeting who always to shoehorn his hobby horses into everything

He was addressing all the points in Johnson’s statement which he was given before hand. To be fair.

Water John · 03-09-2019 04:09PM

For many, the bread and butter issues matter a lot in the UK. EU membership is not tangible to many.

_Puma_ · 03-09-2019 04:09PM

Bojo to parachute into Dublin on Monday for a last throw of the dice.

Shelga · 03-09-2019 04:10PM

The way the House of Commons conducts its business is just disgraceful. Obviously, emotions are running high and time is of the essence, but the way they scream and jeer and shout at each other like drunken louts is so undignified.

It’s like some nightmarish back to school scenario. Oh well, at least that sociopath Raab got a nice tan on his holidays.

Leroy42 · 03-09-2019 04:10PM

briany wrote: »

Referring to the post just deleted, I wouldn't put it past the current British administration to clash with the WTO after a no-deal Brexit if they follow through on their claim their side of the Irish border will be left open. You can make the same type of claims against the WTO as you would against the EU. It's a supranational organisation that bosses the UK around. What right has it got? The UK should form its own trade organisation and convince Commonwealth countries to join. The WTO needs the UK more than the UK needs the WTO. etc. etc.

If they follow through with the attempt to get a trade deal with the US, I would not be surprised if they joined the US in attempting to dismantle the WTO. It is many times more complicated to deal with the WTO than it is the EU, and the UK will have less say, so if they had a problem with EU then they will look to get as far away from WTO as possible.

Water John · 03-09-2019 04:13PM

Johnson will be coming to Dublin to blame Varadkar. That's his only purpose.

Infini · 03-09-2019 04:15PM

Shelga wrote: »

The way the House of Commons conducts its business is just disgraceful. Obviously, emotions are running high and time is of the essence, but the way they scream and jeer and shout at each other like drunken louts is so undignified.

It’s like some nightmarish back to school scenario. Oh well, at least that sociopath Raab got a nice tan on his holidays.

I believe this is one of the major issues with the HoC that it ends up being close to a shouting match and trying to shout louder than the other guy instead of actually debating the issues and counterpointing. Hell wasnt their a EUparl session a while back with one of the MEPs taking a snipe at a Brexiteer saying this isnt the house of commons? Cant find it while on a mobile :X

L1011 · 03-09-2019 04:16PM

The "opposition" also includes ex-Labour MP Jared O'Mara who doesn't turn up and is meant to resign today. That by-election will definitely go Lib Dem but won't be held that quickly.

Seth Brundle · 03-09-2019 04:16PM

Water John wrote: »

Johnson will be coming to Dublin to blame Varadkar. That's his only purpose.

I presume that is completely anticipated by the Irish Govt

Christy42 · 03-09-2019 04:19PM

_Puma_ wrote: »

Bojo to parachute into Dublin on Monday for a last throw of the dice.

Not even. Like May all his foreign trips are simple pr exercises. What is he going to say? "I come offering a hard border"?

For tonight's vote it seems like there were already enough rebels for him to lose. While it does count outgoing MPs for labour, Boris' side also includes people like Hanmond who have been massively anti Boris.

L1011 · 03-09-2019 04:19PM

Dodds comes on the Sky stream. Have to turn off as his voice is intolerable. Its like being in the worst Belfast taxi basically.

is_that_so · 03-09-2019 04:20PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

I presume that is completely anticipated by the Irish Govt

At some point yes, photo op at best and some mutual back-slapping but no substance.

prawnsambo · 03-09-2019 04:20PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

I presume that is completely anticipated by the Irish Govt

He's sounding so incoherent in parliament right now, that I'm not sure any message he tries to release will get further than the microphone.

declanflynn · 03-09-2019 04:21PM

Water John wrote: »

Johnson will be coming to Dublin to blame Varadkar. That's his only purpose.

My, how the great empire has fallen, the pm of great britian coming cap in hand to the Irish

gooch2k9 · 03-09-2019 04:21PM

L1011 wrote: »

Dodds comes on the Sky stream. Have to turn off as his voice is intolerable. Its like being in the worst Belfast taxi basically.

Dodds calling it an undemocratic backstop. The man's hypocrisy knows no bounds!

L1011 · 03-09-2019 04:22PM

gooch2k9 wrote: »

Dodds calling it an undemocratic backstop. The man's hypocrisy knows no bounds!

What I did notice was that he was speaking against an NI-only backstop not the UK-wide one in the WA. Then it just became angry taximan.

is_that_so · 03-09-2019 04:23PM

Leo's latest comments on it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49563469

Mr.Nice Guy · 03-09-2019 04:25PM

Dodds wants the Taoiseach to sit down with unionists to discuss removal of the backstop. He knows full well that the EU is looking after its border with a third country and that can't be settled by the Irish state alone. We're back to the old 'divide and rule' tactic from two years ago. Didn't work then, won't work now.

What is notable from the exchange is Johnson said they are at one on the removal of the backstop, which makes it seem unlikely he'll ditch them and go with an NI only backstop. (Unless his plan is to cobble together something that does the same thing and call it something else. Who knows what the agenda is.)

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