The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

thomond2006 · 31-08-2019 09:57PM

The prevailing opinion is the Texans got fleeced but those first rounders are likely to be high picks. Tunsil better develop into a Joe Thomas mind.

Oat23 · 31-08-2019 10:14PM

Guffy wrote: »

They have a premier left tackle who is going to keep their franchise qb alive for the next 10 years (they'd want to hope)

They've still given up far too much. Tunsil is a good player but he's not worth anything close to 2 first rounders. Not a hope.

If they had a proper GM I don't see that trade happening.

thomond2006 wrote: »

Tunsil better develop into a Joe Thomas mind.

This is it. They've traded the house in the hope he develops into an all-pro tackle who will be there for a decade. I don't agree that trading two 1sts for potential is a good idea. You trade that for a superstar.

The_Honeybadger · 31-08-2019 10:59PM

Spare a thought for Fitzmagic and Josh Rosen. Their line was already terrible, one of them will likely be killed now with Tunsil gone.

Miami following the Browns model of purging the roster and accumulating draft picks it seems.

el Fenomeno · 31-08-2019 11:02PM

I don't get it. Tunsil is good but is he even top 10? I doubt it.

phatkev · 31-08-2019 11:28PM

Is Tunsil still on a rookie contract? Are the Texans going to have to turn around and give him a massive payday in a year or 2 as he will have a tonne of leverage when it comes to contract talks!

CardinalJ · 31-08-2019 11:30PM

phatkev wrote:

Is Tunsil still on a rookie contract? Are the Texans going to have to turn around and give him a massive payday in a year or 2 as he will have a tonne of leverage when it comes to contract talks!

Yep

The_Honeybadger · 31-08-2019 11:34PM

phatkev wrote: »

Is Tunsil still on a rookie contract? Are the Texans going to have to turn around and give him a massive payday in a year or 2 as he will have a tonne of leverage when it comes to contract talks!

He is on his rookie deal until the end of 2020 but they’ll probably pay him at the end of this season. He had better work out after this

the baby bull elephant · 31-08-2019 11:35PM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

I don't get it. Tunsil is good but is he even top 10? I doubt it.

He gave up one sack last year.

Foxtrol · 31-08-2019 11:51PM

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

He is on his rookie deal until the end of 2020 but they’ll probably pay him at the end of this season. He had better work out after this

Likely another mistake not to sort out a contract extension before the trade. Tunsil has so much leverage now.

The trades today show why it is a bad idea in most situations to have your coach also taking the GM role.

The_Honeybadger · 01-09-2019 12:00AM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Likely another mistake not to sort out a contract extension before the trade. Tunsil has so much leverage now.

The trades today show why it is a bad idea in most situations to have your coach also taking the GM role.

Yes, bad day at the office for the Texans I think. I really don’t like what they have done at all, although I don’t like a team trading first round picks away under any circumstances.

I suppose the Texans are going ‘win now’ but the problem is they are not good enough to do so imo, too many pieces missing. Surely they could have gotten a better deal for Trent Williams?

Foxtrol · 01-09-2019 12:33AM

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Yes, bad day at the office for the Texans I think. I really don’t like what they have done at all, although I don’t like a team trading first round picks away under any circumstances.

I suppose the Texans are going ‘win now’ but the problem is they are not good enough to do so imo, too many pieces missing. Surely they could have gotten a better deal for Trent Williams?

I'd say the rumours are true that the Redskins aren't listening to offers for Williams yet but they should have just waited it out, as that stance will likely change as he holds out into the season.

The terrible statement of 'no deal is better than a bad deal' is true here and is similar with Clowney. If they had no intention of extending him then either trade him when he could still sign a contract, like Ford and Clark, or hold tight in the hope that he doesn't want to lose a year of salary.

There looks like there's no planning at all, just what is needed right now with no sense of value.

The_Honeybadger · 01-09-2019 12:40AM

Foxtrol wrote: »

I'd say the rumours are true that the Redskins aren't listening to offers for Williams yet but they should have just waited it out, as that stance will likely change as he holds out into the season.

The terrible statement of 'no deal is better than a bad deal' is true here and is similar with Clowney. If they had no intention of extending him then either trade him when he could still sign a contract, like Ford and Clark, or hold tight in the hope that he doesn't want to lose a year of salary.

There looks like there's no planning at all, just what is needed right now with no sense of value.

Don’t forget they also probably overpaid for Hyde not long ago, third round pick next year. How are they going to keep building the roster? The Texans off season business has been highly questionable overall.

Christy42 · 01-09-2019 09:48AM

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Don’t forget they also probably overpaid for Hyde not long ago, third round pick next year. How are they going to keep building the roster? The Texans off season business has been highly questionable overall.

Source? I am just seeing them give up a former 3rd round pick who was on the cut block anyway.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001045907/article/texans-acquire-vet-rb-carlos-hyde-from-chiefs%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%253Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%253Dstory&env&pageKeyValues=prtnr%253Daround-the-league%3bteam%253Dhou%3bconf%253Dafc%3bdvsn%253Dacs%3bplyr%253Ddarwin_thompson%3bplyr%253Dcarlos_hyde%3bplyr%253Drandy_johnson&p.ct=Around%2bthe%2bNFL&p.adsm=true&p.tcm=%2523fff&p.bgc1m=%25230964bf&p.bgc2m=%2523053a74&sr=amp

The_Honeybadger · 01-09-2019 09:57AM

Christy42 wrote: »

Source? I am just seeing them give up a former 3rd round pick who was on the cut block anyway.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001045907/article/texans-acquire-vet-rb-carlos-hyde-from-chiefs%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%253Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%253Dstory&env&pageKeyValues=prtnr%253Daround-the-league%3bteam%253Dhou%3bconf%253Dafc%3bdvsn%253Dacs%3bplyr%253Ddarwin_thompson%3bplyr%253Dcarlos_hyde%3bplyr%253Drandy_johnson&p.ct=Around%2bthe%2bNFL&p.adsm=true&p.tcm=%2523fff&p.bgc1m=%25230964bf&p.bgc2m=%2523053a74&sr=amp

Apologies I meant Duke Johnson, I got them mixed up. They traded a fourth rounder to Cleveland for him that will probably become a third rounder.

In next years draft they won’t have their first or third round picks by the looks of it. Not sure what years second round pick they traded.

Christy42 · 01-09-2019 10:50AM

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Apologies I meant Duke Johnson, I got them mixed up. They traded a fourth rounder to Cleveland for him that will probably become a third rounder.

In next years draft they won’t have their first or third round picks by the looks of it. Not sure what years second round pick they traded.

Always forget Duke was such a recent trade with all that has gone on. As for the Tunsil deal. Well it is a gamble but if they make the picks low enough it will be worth it. Like say 28th or worse in the draft both years. Remember Tunsil should have gone top 5 and we know he can hang in the NFL.

The_Honeybadger · 01-09-2019 11:09AM

Christy42 wrote: »

Always forget Duke was such a recent trade with all that has gone on. As for the Tunsil deal. Well it is a gamble but if they make the picks low enough it will be worth it. Like say 28th or worse in the draft both years. Remember Tunsil should have gone top 5 and we know he can hang in the NFL.

They’ve gotten in some good players and I’d probably tip them for the Division now Luck is out of the picture. I’d worry for them in the future though having given away so many draft picks. I don’t think any good GM would do what they did over the past few days.

01-09-2019 01:26PM

In fairness when the eagles gave up a first rounder for Jason Peter's back in the day there where critics also and it's probably one of the best trades in the history of the franchise now. If tunsil turns out to be a stud this is a great deal if not then it likely to be a bad one but with the pedigree he had coming out of college he could well end up a franchise Cornerstone

Itssoeasy · 01-09-2019 07:25PM

The more details about the Clowney trade shows me that a HC shouldnt be doing a GMs job and also the Texans fans should call the Houston PD and report a robbery. I know Clowney didn't want to be there and he had good leverage but the Texans got mugged on that trade.

MileHighGuy · 02-09-2019 07:29AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The more details about the Clowney trade shows me that a HC shouldnt be doing a GMs job and also the Texans fans should call the Houston PD and report a robbery. I know Clowney didn't want to be there and he had good leverage but the Texans got mugged on that trade.

I saw that Seattle are only on the hook for $8m of Clowney's $15m salary - Houston picks up the other $7m. I really can't see what Houston's thinking was here at all (besides having left themselves completely over a barrel)

Knex* · 02-09-2019 08:24AM

Have to stop myself laughing at the Texans with their recent trades when I remember that Jerry Reese passed on Tunsil and took Eli Apple when the Giants OL was in desperate need of quality.

The real mccoy 91 · 02-09-2019 11:38PM

https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/1168509885048397825?s=19

Gordon suddenly looks a bit smarter than he is getting credit for

Knex* · 03-09-2019 10:26AM

Is it just me who hates how prevalent PFF grades have become? Even more so for offensive linemen.

thomond2006 · 03-09-2019 10:29AM

Knex. wrote: »

Is it just me who hates how prevalent PFF grades have become? Even more so for offensive linemen.

Collinsworth shills it on NBC. No mention that he owns PFF either.

Always Be Closing · 03-09-2019 01:47PM

Any update on Gordon?

Don't ask but I had a brain fart and took him in the first round of my money league draft

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 03-09-2019 02:11PM

Always Be Closing wrote: »

Any update on Gordon?

Don't ask but I had a brain fart and took him in the first round of my money league draft

Looks like a hold out, I took him in round 12 on a flyer.

Chargers have him as out for this weekend.

Always Be Closing · 03-09-2019 02:19PM

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Looks like a hold out, I took him in round 12 on a flyer.

Chargers have him as out for this weekend.

My season is over before it’s begun

brinty · 03-09-2019 02:52PM

Cowboys have resigned La'el Collins through 2024 and freed up another $5m in cap space on top of the 23m they had available

phatkev · 03-09-2019 02:53PM

brinty wrote: »

Cowboys have resigned La'el Collins through 2024 and freed up another $5m in cap sister to the 23m they had available

Theres a lot of money tied up in the o-line now!

brinty · 03-09-2019 03:26PM

And they have Cam Fleming as back up/swing tackle and drafted Conor Williams in 18 and Connor McGovern in 2019 with McGovern give to IR this year and expected to redshirt the whole year. They also have Looney who replaced Fredrick at center last year doing an adequate job and Xavier Sua-filo who started 6-8 games at left guard

boccy23 · 03-09-2019 03:32PM

brinty wrote: »

And they have Cam Fleming as back up/swing tackle and drafted Conor Williams in 18 and Connor McGovern in 2019 with McGovern give to IR this year and expected to redshirt the whole year. They also have Looney who replaced Fredrick at center last year doing an adequate job and Xavier Sua-filo who started 6-8 games at left guard

Pity they don't have a Running Back to go with all this great OL talent. :pac::D

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